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Batigh
Dec 21, 2009


Rangpur posted:

Oh right, don't forget to post your QR code if you've got it hosted anywhere. They seem to be weirdly hard for the system to recognize for god knows what reason (I still can't get any of them to work) but they clearly function for *some* people at least, and I'd rather have them collected than not, so... I'll add them to the second post as time goes on.

I'd be interested in figuring out why it works for some but not others. Maybe we could collate some information?

Thus far, I've been able to grab (almost) everyone's off my monitor just fine, using my OG 3DS's camera. In case it matters, the monitor runs at 1600x900 at 60Hz.

Updated guild card, newer than old thread's:

Batigh fucked around with this message at Nov 4, 2017 around 23:04

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Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010



Grimey Drawer

Here's mine from midgame. Aww they were so cute and low leveled...


TheOneAndOnlyT
Dec 18, 2005

Well well, mister fancy-pants, I hope you're wearing your matching sweater today, or you'll be cut down like the ugly tree you are.

Haven't gotten any QR codes to work myself, but maybe someone else can use this.

Strange Quark
Oct 15, 2012



I've gotten the best results when I blow them up on my phone and up the screen brightness to maximum, though sometimes it still takes a while to register and I've never gotten it to work with non-screenshots.

wereboat
Jun 23, 2011


superboss down after a day and probably 30 attempts

teach that fucker to devour MY stars

Fortuitous Bumble
Jan 5, 2007



Strange Quark posted:

I've gotten the best results when I blow them up on my phone and up the screen brightness to maximum, though sometimes it still takes a while to register and I've never gotten it to work with non-screenshots.

Mine works on my surface laptop when I blow the images up to 300% in my browser (so about 3.5 inches). It's weird that they're so finicky though since the point of QR codes is that they can read fast on a crappy camera. But it was worth the trouble to stop Conrad from popping up everywhere in my game

Blademaster_Aio
Jan 22, 2017



Ruggington posted:

is clinch+leading blow pug as much of a massive point sink to get off the ground as it looks like or can I spec into it sometime before level 50 and still get some effectiveness out of it

because right now it seems like max double punch+max status up is the most reliable way to bind specific limbs before he becomes an overexertion bot for the rest of my party

Basically if you add clinch in it becomes even more of massive point sink.

For a perfect leading blow, you need leading blow, your three basic bind skills and corkscrew maxed for maximum damage. But it just depends on what you want from your pugalist. Overexertion essentially doubles your damage output, and binds completely lock down the enemy.

You can just manually count the skill points, but unless you're willing to give up double punch / status attack up, leading blow will be a postgame thing.

I maxed out corkscrew last by the way.

I had leading blow at 1 point for a good while early game, but I should add I never got double punch. The ailment / binding items with status attack up, the miasma that lowers ail bind resistance and black mist were better. Of course this depends entirely on your party composition.

Aerofallosov
Oct 3, 2007

It was so peaceful beneath the glittering stars.


Is it just me or does floor 20 have a bazillion random encounters? Sheesh, every few steps, man.

Violently Car
Dec 2, 2007

You are now entering completely darkness

Aerofallosov posted:

Is it just me or does floor 20 have a bazillion random encounters? Sheesh, every few steps, man.

The branches that lead to gathering in particular seem to have a very high encounter rate, so try to stay out of those unless you need the stuff.

Aerofallosov
Oct 3, 2007

It was so peaceful beneath the glittering stars.


Violently Car posted:

The branches that lead to gathering in particular seem to have a very high encounter rate, so try to stay out of those unless you need the stuff.

Makes sense.

Also I'm about to get the boss of the forth stratum. Any advice?

Any advice for getting to or beating crystal dragon? My group is Cannon Dragoon/Barrage Pugilist/Punishment Shaman/Hound Rover/Omnimancer warlock

A Magical Lamp
Aug 16, 2010


Aerofallosov posted:

Makes sense.

Also I'm about to get the boss of the forth stratum. Any advice?

Any advice for getting to or beating crystal dragon? My group is Cannon Dragoon/Barrage Pugilist/Punishment Shaman/Hound Rover/Omnimancer warlock

Remember your All Mists.

Blademaster_Aio
Jan 22, 2017



Aerofallosov posted:

Makes sense.

Also I'm about to get the boss of the forth stratum. Any advice?

Any advice for getting to or beating crystal dragon? My group is Cannon Dragoon/Barrage Pugilist/Punishment Shaman/Hound Rover/Omnimancer warlock

Mana guard + head binds for first form.

Line guard + leg binds for when it changes forms. Or head binds too because eternal lament uses head? Maybe.

Equip everyone with bat earrings.

There is a way to score a preempt on dragon, please check Ragnar's lp for details because it is hard to explain.

Bat earring will save you

Mana guard + line guard

food court bailiff
Oct 2, 2007

fast n furious foodstuff


Soiled Meat

The hell, did EO V really just come out? I bought it on the eShop Thursday on a whim after not playing an EO since like one floor of the first game and twenty or so hours of P:Q. Currently running:

Fencer/Harbinger
Warlock(I think?)/Rover/Herbalist

A couple of dumb questions:
-How often should I expect to rest/retire/whatever characters and swap them out? Or is it better to just use a party the whole way through?
-Do the increasing Inn costs ever become a problem? I'm worried about boning myself by playing conservatively instead of pushing the limits every time I go to the dungeon.
-How many floors are there (or is that a spoiler? Never gotten far enough in one of these to know)?

Ruggington
Apr 21, 2012



Blademaster_Aio posted:

I had leading blow at 1 point for a good while early game, but I should add I never got double punch. The ailment / binding items with status attack up, the miasma that lowers ail bind resistance and black mist were better. Of course this depends entirely on your party composition.

my comp is DB Harb/Impact pug/Barrage pug/Cannon Dragoon/Poisoner botanist

double punch+status attack up is just a temporary patch i've been using since I didn't have the points for clinch AND punches AND overexertion AND status up

honestly the barrage pug doesnt even need to start contributing damage (outside of buffs) at this point as long as i hit the binds so I'll probably just rest into max clinch+status up+level 5 punches+level 5 overexertion

Ruggington fucked around with this message at Nov 5, 2017 around 04:58

Blademaster_Aio
Jan 22, 2017



Either level 4 overexertion, level 9 overexertion or level 10 overexertion.

No need to pay extra HP cost.

Also that plan sounds fine and you can work your way towards leading blow slowly.

Ruggington
Apr 21, 2012



having it at level 5 hasnt been too bad since it helps my other pug get into fortitude range and the hp penalty has yet to be a problem since I'm only spamming it after i've locked my target down

my impact pug also has level 9 overexertion for Plan B

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal

food court bailiff posted:

The hell, did EO V really just come out? I bought it on the eShop Thursday on a whim after not playing an EO since like one floor of the first game and twenty or so hours of P:Q. Currently running:

Fencer/Harbinger
Warlock(I think?)/Rover/Herbalist

A couple of dumb questions:
-How often should I expect to rest/retire/whatever characters and swap them out? Or is it better to just use a party the whole way through?
-Do the increasing Inn costs ever become a problem? I'm worried about boning myself by playing conservatively instead of pushing the limits every time I go to the dungeon.
-How many floors are there (or is that a spoiler? Never gotten far enough in one of these to know)?

1. Really depends on how you feel or if you need to try a new strat. Resting really isn't a big deal. There's also an XP share accessory in a hidden spot on the 3rd floor and some items that level a character up to 20 you get after the second boss. I really like to swap out party members and play with different comps but most people settle on a particular core group eventually. Some classes (harbinger and shaman mainly) are pretty thirsty for skill points so some people swap them into their parties later on, and some parties are only really going to work when the specialisations get unlocked. There's some bosses in the postgame you might want to change your setup for. Just do what you feel like and keep that memory conch on somebody.

2. Inn costs are never really a big deal, if it's an issue go clown on an early floor and sell bits. The costs of everything else can get annoying though.

3. There's 6 stratums (layers) with 5 floors each, one layer is postgame stuff though.

Blademaster_Aio
Jan 22, 2017



Ruggington posted:

having it at level 5 hasnt been too bad since it helps my other pug get into fortitude range and the hp penalty has yet to be a problem since I'm only spamming it after i've locked my target down

my impact pug also has level 9 overexertion for Plan B

Okay then.

Your plan sounds good, because you have two other damage dealer (three if you count buster cannon), so leaving your barrage pugalist as support till you gain enough points for a good lead blow combo is fine.

Good luck.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

Did I predict the future?


Grimey Drawer

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

Haven't gotten any QR codes to work myself, but maybe someone else can use this.



Today I learned region lock also extends to cover QR codes. loving really, Nintendo?

Welp, at least I also learned my 3DS' camera works fine and well, it just doesn't like QR codes not from Europe, apparently.

Grand Gigas
Jul 2, 2006

True heroes always show up late.


I moved it over to Basic like a coward, but the Star Devourer is destroyed. Definitely harder than Warped Savior, but I guess all the superbosses in these games are.

Speaking of that, what’s the loving deal with the Ur Devil? I looked it up, and gently caress that just doesn’t seem fun.

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008



Ur-Devil exists to generate bragging rights for those players willing to dive deep into the mechanics and come up with ways to exploit them. It's kind of bullshit by design, is what I'm saying. It can be beaten legit, much like the Abyssal God, but requires so much grinding and prep work, and so much RNG manipulation (if not outright luck) that I'm not sure why anyone would bother.

In the Untold 2 LP, Dr. Fetus did an update about fighting it with the story mode party in their base classes. It involved getting everyone to level 99, retiring them for the maximum stat/skill point boost then grinding them back to 99; equipping nearly everyone Dragonslayers for more stat boosts; using the armor you get from a DLC quest; and of course manipulating the grimoire stones to get the skills you want. There are still multiple failure states, and avoiding them is down to RNG.

Thuryl
Mar 14, 2007

My postillion has been struck by lightning.


Compared to Abyssal God, taking on Ur-Devil "legitimately" isn't really that bad if you know its pattern, it's just an obnoxiously long fight.

You're not gonna learn its pattern without either massive amounts of trial and error or looking at a guide, though.

Jimmy Hats
May 8, 2012

yeah that was pretty good





Yeah I've got a therian fencer protector SO WHAT

SC Bracer
Aug 7, 2012

DEMAGLIO!


I saw a golden ball on the map so I ran towards it and now I'm fighting something called The Harvester

Blastinus
Feb 28, 2010

Let's see what fate has in store.



Shit.


I picked up EO5 a week or so ago, and I've been thoroughly enjoying it. One question though: how good would a Shaman build focused around damage be? I'm looking at the numbers for some of the Master skills, and it seems like you could pull out some pretty big hits if you set it up right. Plus the healing values for the other Mastery seem to be kind of weak compared to running a Botanist.

SC Bracer
Aug 7, 2012

DEMAGLIO!


SC Bracer posted:

I saw a golden ball on the map so I ran towards it and now I'm fighting something called The Harvester

ok wow i died a lot

Jimmy Hats
May 8, 2012

yeah that was pretty good



SC Bracer posted:

ok wow i died a lot

lol! Classic harvester

Hivac
Feb 26, 2011

enemy one body to the proximity Zan attack discard the power slap hit.


it always was a kidder

Batigh
Dec 21, 2009


Blastinus posted:

I picked up EO5 a week or so ago, and I've been thoroughly enjoying it. One question though: how good would a Shaman build focused around damage be? I'm looking at the numbers for some of the Master skills, and it seems like you could pull out some pretty big hits if you set it up right. Plus the healing values for the other Mastery seem to be kind of weak compared to running a Botanist.

I'm more than pleased with my Punisher Shaman. He deals damage on par with or better than my Warlock (not counting Altar, and somewhat dependent on Ancient Memory procs), and I just realized a few minutes ago that I hadn't updated his weapons in ~2 strata.

Batigh
Dec 21, 2009


Back in the last thread, I mentioned I planned to stick a party of 4 Rovers and 1 Warlock into the oven and let them bake via Memory Conch, with plans to test out Ground Patrol (Hound skill that occasionally finds gather-point materials). Today, I pulled them out, and am able to share some not-all-that-rigorously-tested findings.

As a baseline, my main party includes a hound rover, and has had one point in Ground Patrol since the start of the 3rd stratum. I usually get two or three procs per long trip; each proc gets me 1-2 materials from the stratum I'm in, with a very small chance of those materials being rare. Worth the point? The more I think about it, the more 'eh' my reaction is, so probably not.

I started today's experiment by maxing Ground Patrol on each Rover in the party, maxing the Hound itself on one of them, and maxing Invisibility and Levitation on the Warlock. I made all of them Earthlain, so that they could supplement the pupper's findings with stuff from any gathering point. I further specialized each character with some sort of combat role (healing, debuffing, damage, etc), but that isn't particularly relevant, especially considering I sent them naked and shivering into the depths of the 6th stratum.

I wandered the 29th floor for about two in-game days, keeping Invisibility and Levitation active. (As an aside, it's worth noting that even a max-rank Invisibility won't completely prevent encounters, so make sure not to stray too far from stairs if you're not patrolling a boss room). The number of procs I got on Ground Patrol seemed normal compared to my one-man one-point main party Rover... but when the procs happened, I would get 10-15 materials each time. Rare materials may be more heavily weighted with more points in Ground Patrol; one proc in this excursion had 5 rare materials, and might've been more if my inventory hadn't been filled to capacity.

Next, I benched all but one Rover and the Warlock, and marched the two hapless fellows back up to the 29th floor. This meant I had just one Rover with 10 points in Ground Patrol. I kept them there for about the same amount of time, and got a similar number of procs on Ground Patrol, but this time each proc was only worth 1-5 materials.

In summary, if a 'gathering party' is your thing, 4+ Rovers definitely seems the way to go. A party of 5 Rovers would get the most materials if left to their own devices in a boss room, but I recommend including a warlock in there if you're keen to gather on strata that haven't been fully explored.

(The reason I sent them to 29F is simply because that's as high as I can go right now, and also because I was getting annoyed at a lack of rare mining drops for a quest)

EDIT: After a few more runs with 4 Rovers + 1 Warlock, Ground Patrol procs with 40 combined points in it have a max of 25 mats per gather and a minimum of... 1. Luck is ever-present, I suppose.

Batigh fucked around with this message at Nov 5, 2017 around 18:52

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Rangpur posted:

In the Untold 2 LP, Dr. Fetus did an update about fighting it with the story mode party in their base classes. It involved getting everyone to level 99, retiring them for the maximum stat/skill point boost then grinding them back to 99; equipping nearly everyone Dragonslayers for more stat boosts; using the armor you get from a DLC quest; and of course manipulating the grimoire stones to get the skills you want. There are still multiple failure states, and avoiding them is down to RNG.
You can't write this and not link me straight to the post, because I'm lazy. I guess I'll go find it myself

Elfface
Nov 14, 2010

Da-na-na-na-na-na-na
IRON JONAH

Have my guild as I prepare to get my butt kicked by lumpy space princess once more. As you can see, I forgot to put the latest version of my Harbinger on the card, but getting the screenshot off my 3DS was a bit of an effort, so meh.



EU version, since it seems my party won't cross an ocean?

Blademaster_Aio
Jan 22, 2017



The 4 rovers thing sounds great. Well, more like it's right up my alley? Definitely something to consider.

MinionOfCthulhu
Oct 28, 2005

I got this title for free due to my proximity to an idiot who wanted to save $5 on an avatar by having someone else spend $9.95 instead.


Don't have the game yet, but I finally cracked open the demo.
Got killed by a dog. I've missed you, Etrian odyssey.

These games always give me trouble as far as what to bring to the party. I have a dragoon, dog rover, botanist, elementalist, and pugilist.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

Did I predict the future?


Grimey Drawer

Elfface posted:

EU version, since it seems my party won't cross an ocean?

Thanks, EU-buddy! That was the first one that worked!

Now I have at least one besides Captain Bland of the Blandnoids.

Not Operator
Jan 1, 2009

Not A doctor, THE Doctor!


MinionOfCthulhu posted:

Don't have the game yet, but I finally cracked open the demo.
Got killed by a dog. I've missed you, Etrian odyssey.

These games always give me trouble as far as what to bring to the party. I have a dragoon, dog rover, botanist, elementalist, and pugilist.

I put together a party, went into the dungeon, and the first two enemy attacks killed two of my peeps. Its good to be home.

Dr. Fetus
Oct 20, 2012

Nobody loves Dr. Fetus. And that's why Dr. Fetus hates you!

DACK FAYDEN posted:

You can't write this and not link me straight to the post, because I'm lazy. I guess I'll go find it myself

It's in the EO2U LP (I covered Story Mode and other stuff.) Also, "the post" is an inaccurate way to put it. Its bullshit was too much for one mere update. But it starts here.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

Zzzz... sploosh... zzzz... KABOOM... zzz... sploosh...

Also as we've recently found out with the EO3 LP tackling Abyssal God, all of the postgame superbosses aren't that hard, you just need to have the exact specific team that beats them. No biggie.

Scrap Dragon
Oct 6, 2013

SECRET TECHNIQUE:
DARK SHADOW
BLACK FALLEN ANGEL!


So, now that everyone has had some hands-on experience with EOV, are there are any real winners or losers classwise? The only two I'm really sold on are Pugilist and Warlock, what combos well with them?

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Blademaster_Aio
Jan 22, 2017



Scrap Dragon posted:

So, now that everyone has had some hands-on experience with EOV, are there are any real winners or losers classwise? The only two I'm really sold on are Pugilist and Warlock, what combos well with them?

Everyone's a winner, but in my opinion:

I absolutely love dodge tanks, but they're a but difficult to use and line wide and party wide attacks are still an issue. They're great though, definitely one of my favourite classes.

The four sword blade dancer dies to everything. They also kill stuff and need zero setup for what's easily 1000 damage per turn, but they're so delicate. Because they wear no armor.

Overexertion maxed is double damage and it is so good. So very amazing.

The impact pugalist has a... skill set, I guess, but are known for putting out insane numbers.

Every class has its uses, some are definitely harder to use than others.

Chain killer is great. Harbingers are great.

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