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Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014

... the beats of the dead.

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

The most hosed up part is that, in the grand scheme of thing, a dude like Nicolas Cage isn't even close to rich. 150 million dollars is chump change compared to what the 1% makes who are out there hoarding even more wealth than entire countries make in a year.

You need to add some decimals places because 150 million puts you in the top 1 percent several times over.

Even with spending stupid sums of money 150 mil is in the realm where you have to actually be stupid to run out.

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DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



no actor, even the most beloved actor in the world who has been working for like, decades, is ever going to make "gently caress the world" billionaire money without some very shrewd investing, and the "very shrewd investing" crowd and the "oh poo poo I'm rich time to buy pyramid tombs, castles and cases full of the rarest wine in the world" crowd are not the same people. Lebron's not as rich as he is just because he's talented, but because he's surrounded himself with the right people.

honestly, the complaints about pro athletes ring hollow to me because even among athletes only the top 1% or .1% is ever gonna be wealthy. Most pro athletes make still higher than median incomes (unless you want to throw *all* the pro athletes in there, where like WNBA players often have to have second jobs or go overseas to actually make enough money to live) but also they have a pretty strict limit on how long they can do it; most sports are hell on your body and even with the best doctors and body specialists in the world, no one except the very rarest specimens are gonna be doing athletics at that level past 40 (Tom Brady, Vince Carter and a bunch of golfers, pretty much), and honestly it really really drops off after 35, and in football even sooner.

Like any career the pro athletes and actors who are rich enough to take notice of are the exception, not the rule. Saying things like "it's absurd that pro athletes make millions while teachers and nurses don't make enough" ignores the reality of the situation: 99% of pro athletes are way closer to us than they are to Lebron or an actual billionaire, so it doesn't make sense to divide on career lines, you should divide on class lines. It's absurd that anyone makes millions, whether that is a pro athlete, the president of a private university, a Wall Street goober, George Clooney, the CEO of a business or whatever.

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005

Everything is subject to the needs of intelligence, for geniuses like me. If we actually solve problems, people won't need me and people like me, and this is a travesty without end. You have to squeeze the poor so they know their place, and you fucking commies forget that.


DC Murderverse posted:

no actor, even the most beloved actor in the world who has been working for like, decades, is ever going to make "gently caress the world" billionaire money without some very shrewd investing, and the "very shrewd investing" crowd and the "oh poo poo I'm rich time to buy pyramid tombs, castles and cases full of the rarest wine in the world" crowd are not the same people. Lebron's not as rich as he is just because he's talented, but because he's surrounded himself with the right people.

honestly, the complaints about pro athletes ring hollow to me because even among athletes only the top 1% or .1% is ever gonna be wealthy. Most pro athletes make still higher than median incomes (unless you want to throw *all* the pro athletes in there, where like WNBA players often have to have second jobs or go overseas to actually make enough money to live) but also they have a pretty strict limit on how long they can do it; most sports are hell on your body and even with the best doctors and body specialists in the world, no one except the very rarest specimens are gonna be doing athletics at that level past 40 (Tom Brady, Vince Carter and a bunch of golfers, pretty much), and honestly it really really drops off after 35, and in football even sooner.

Like any career the pro athletes and actors who are rich enough to take notice of are the exception, not the rule. Saying things like "it's absurd that pro athletes make millions while teachers and nurses don't make enough" ignores the reality of the situation: 99% of pro athletes are way closer to us than they are to Lebron or an actual billionaire, so it doesn't make sense to divide on career lines, you should divide on class lines. It's absurd that anyone makes millions, whether that is a pro athlete, the president of a private university, a Wall Street goober, George Clooney, the CEO of a business or whatever.

Complaints about athletes getting too much money serve as a nice cover for the (usually) much less publicly visible billionaires paying them a small percentage of the gross.

The average career of an NFL player is three seasons long and most depend on the health insurance package that it comes with. People like LeBron are one-in-a-million "genetic freaks" who generally were handed a ball at as early an age as physically possible and ran with it. When we talk about unaccountably rich athletes we're talking about a small handful per sport, if even that many.

I, Butthole
Jun 30, 2007

Begin the operations of the gas chambers, gas schools, gas universities, gas libraries, gas museums, gas dance halls, and gas threads, etcetera.
I DEMAND IT


I think we can all agree that distribution of wealth and the murder of all billionaires is a good thing, at the very least

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Sodomy Hussein posted:

Complaints about athletes getting too much money serve as a nice cover for the (usually) much less publicly visible billionaires paying them a small percentage of the gross.

The average career of an NFL player is three seasons long and most depend on the health insurance package that it comes with. People like LeBron are one-in-a-million "genetic freaks" who generally were handed a ball at as early an age as physically possible and ran with it. When we talk about unaccountably rich athletes we're talking about a small handful per sport, if even that many.

You're not supposed to run with the ball

mycot
Oct 23, 2014


Hell Gem

I'm pretty sure non-rapey athletes keep getting brought up in this thread out of a weird goony sportsball complex.

edit: To continue conversation in a slightly less toxic way is there anyone mentioned in CineD who wouldn't be considered objectively overpaid?

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.




I like sport athletes named Bob.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvh6NLqKRfs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcGamPqUIxI

You'd think 90 minutes of talking about athletes named Bob would get boring after a while, but no. It remains compellign throughout.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011






mycot posted:

I'm pretty sure non-rapey athletes keep getting brought up in this thread out of a weird goony sportsball complex.

I'm pretty sure that athletes was brought up by people that argue that some people deserve to have an obscene amount of money.

Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005


there's cspam threads for that

y'all gonna make me post about Tekashi?

https://twitter.com/TheMelaninPot/s...1272690693?s=20

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.



DC Murderverse posted:

no actor, even the most beloved actor in the world who has been working for like, decades, is ever going to make "gently caress the world" billionaire money without some very shrewd investing, and the "very shrewd investing" crowd and the "oh poo poo I'm rich time to buy pyramid tombs, castles and cases full of the rarest wine in the world" crowd are not the same people. Lebron's not as rich as he is just because he's talented, but because he's surrounded himself with the right people.

honestly, the complaints about pro athletes ring hollow to me because even among athletes only the top 1% or .1% is ever gonna be wealthy. Most pro athletes make still higher than median incomes (unless you want to throw *all* the pro athletes in there, where like WNBA players often have to have second jobs or go overseas to actually make enough money to live) but also they have a pretty strict limit on how long they can do it; most sports are hell on your body and even with the best doctors and body specialists in the world, no one except the very rarest specimens are gonna be doing athletics at that level past 40 (Tom Brady, Vince Carter and a bunch of golfers, pretty much), and honestly it really really drops off after 35, and in football even sooner.

Like any career the pro athletes and actors who are rich enough to take notice of are the exception, not the rule. Saying things like "it's absurd that pro athletes make millions while teachers and nurses don't make enough" ignores the reality of the situation: 99% of pro athletes are way closer to us than they are to Lebron or an actual billionaire, so it doesn't make sense to divide on career lines, you should divide on class lines. It's absurd that anyone makes millions, whether that is a pro athlete, the president of a private university, a Wall Street goober, George Clooney, the CEO of a business or whatever.

Yeah, people who bring up all athletes as these filthy rich people always seem to have some anti-sports thing. The reality is most athletes struggle and suffer and end up working selling used cars and the ones who do make a ton of money fight tooth and nail in contract and union negotiations to get a tiny fraction of what they're making their billionaire owners. People who focus on Lebron James as part of the problem seem to have a distorted perspective for whatever reason.

Vagabundo
Mar 20, 2007

Donncha wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
Donncha wish your girlfriend was a freak like me?


For every Cristiano Ronaldo, there are multiples of a Carlo Pinsoglio in every squad.

Professional rugby union is a great example of relatively low pay compared to the size and exposure the sport can have - the biggest star the sport ever saw, Jonah Lomu, ended up dying basically broke, and there are major systemic issues with the exploitation of Pacific Island rugby players, who come from poverty and sign with clubs in Europe to provide for their communities back home, and then find themselves suddenly cut adrift, and end up requiring significant assistance.

Most players also take on jobs in various industries, but also end up struggling with mental health issues, and there have been casualties along the way, probably the most high profile being Daniel Vickerman, who took his own life a few years ago, aged just 37. Apparently he called his best friend as he took his own life, while the guy was desperately trying to talk him out of it.

And yeah, let's not forget that the highest-earning Australian internationals like Michael Hooper, the current national team captain, led negotiations with Rugby Australia for a pay deal demanding that the top earners like him, shoulder the biggest pay cut in order to ease the pressure on the players at the lower end of the pay-scale during the current pandemic (something like 60~70%).

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011






You can't bring up the subject of athletes and then complain about people talking about it. But yes, everyone that makes over a million a year is part of the problem.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



Alhazred posted:

You can't bring up the subject of athletes and then complain about people talking about it. But yes, everyone that makes over a million a year is part of the problem.

I don't think anyone's complaining about bringing up athletes in here, only when they say misinformed or off-base things. Athletes are cool and good, let's just tax the rich ones real high like we should be doing the rest of the rich people.

Alan Smithee posted:

there's cspam threads for that

y'all gonna make me post about Tekashi?

https://twitter.com/TheMelaninPot/s...1272690693?s=20

I really don't know what there is to say about 69 other than he is a problem who will probably be solved by the people he ratted on sooner or later, and that he's just an exceptionally awful human being.

edit: for those who are blessedly unaware of Tekashi, he's been convicted of being on video with a naked 13 year old, once choked a teenager at a mall, and was brought in on RICO and firearms charged, was originally facing a mandatory 47 year sentence and named enough names to get his sentence down to 2 years, and the people who he was associated with who he gave up are not the types to gently caress around. He just got out of jail, can't really do the whole witness protection thing because he loves money and attention too much and also face tats make witness protection really hard.

So naturally immediately after his first post-jail single drops someone leaks his location and he's off to a new hiding place. He's already been kidnapped once, I just think he's a very visible person who is very bad at hiding, which is going to make life very hard for him.

DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 09:15 on May 11, 2020

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

Google Image Results for
"Sexy Guy Gardner"


That dude is a waste if breathable air.

Vagabundo
Mar 20, 2007

Donncha wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
Donncha wish your girlfriend was a freak like me?


Alhazred posted:

You can't bring up the subject of athletes and then complain about people talking about it. But yes, everyone that makes over a million a year is part of the problem.

What if they make $999,999? And is there some sort of sliding scale or allowance either side? Michael Hooper signed a 5-year contract with Rugby Australia, giving him a total pay of $6million over that period (or would have, had he not insisted on cutting the bulk of it for the sake of others), equating to A$1.2 per annum. Richie McCaw finished his professional career with an estimated NZ$5million through investments and endorsements, over a 15-year career at the international level. How would they compare to apparently big meanie Lebron James?


And honestly, an athlete making over a million per year is not the problem, but rather, the system that creates such a circumstance is.

In that case, who's at fault? Jean-Marc Bosman for suing RFC Liege, UEFA and the Belgian Football Association, or does RFC Liege get off scot-free?



Rhyno posted:

That dude is a waste if breathable air.

Honestly, the "Tekashi is a snitch" argument is loving stupid. Yes, god forbid the parasitic shitfucks that he sent up the river ever face consequences for their actions. Won't somebody please think of the poor criminals now up on RICO charges?

He is a stupid nonce piece of poo poo for physically and sexually assaulting underage girls though.

Vagabundo fucked around with this message at 21:07 on May 11, 2020

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005

Everything is subject to the needs of intelligence, for geniuses like me. If we actually solve problems, people won't need me and people like me, and this is a travesty without end. You have to squeeze the poor so they know their place, and you fucking commies forget that.


DC Murderverse posted:

I don't think anyone's complaining about bringing up athletes in here, only when they say misinformed or off-base things. Athletes are cool and good, let's just tax the rich ones real high like we should be doing the rest of the rich people.


I really don't know what there is to say about 69 other than he is a problem who will probably be solved by the people he ratted on sooner or later, and that he's just an exceptionally awful human being.

edit: for those who are blessedly unaware of Tekashi, he's been convicted of being on video with a naked 13 year old, once choked a teenager at a mall, and was brought in on RICO and firearms charged, was originally facing a mandatory 47 year sentence and named enough names to get his sentence down to 2 years, and the people who he was associated with who he gave up are not the types to gently caress around. He just got out of jail, can't really do the whole witness protection thing because he loves money and attention too much and also face tats make witness protection really hard.

So naturally immediately after his first post-jail single drops someone leaks his location and he's off to a new hiding place. He's already been kidnapped once, I just think he's a very visible person who is very bad at hiding, which is going to make life very hard for him.

It's not like the people looking for this guy are the real winners.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land






between agent fees, escrow, and generally being pretty bad with money overall, most athletes have less than people think they do

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



Vagabundo posted:

Honestly, the "Tekashi is a snitch" argument is loving stupid. Yes, god forbid the parasitic shitfucks that he sent up the river ever face consequences for their actions. Won't somebody please think of the poor criminals now up on RICO charges?

He is a stupid nonce piece of poo poo for physically and sexually assaulting underage girls though.

I'm not gonna defend the people he snitched upon, just pointing out that he's going to be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life, and also seems not terribly bright. also like half of the people he might want to work with in the future are not gonna have anything to do with him (though feuding with Chief Keef and Trippie Redd isn't helping in that aspect)

Vagabundo
Mar 20, 2007

Donncha wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
Donncha wish your girlfriend was a freak like me?


DC Murderverse posted:

I'm not gonna defend the people he snitched upon, just pointing out that he's going to be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life, and also seems not terribly bright. also like half of the people he might want to work with in the future are not gonna have anything to do with him (though feuding with Chief Keef and Trippie Redd isn't helping in that aspect)

It's just a comment on the "snitch" poo poo on social media. Honestly, everyone's a piece of poo poo in that entire scenario, and every single person that defends or enables that nonce can go get hosed.

coronavirus
Jan 27, 2020

Anyone for bat soup?


Vagabundo posted:

It's just a comment on the "snitch" poo poo on social media. Honestly, everyone's a piece of poo poo in that entire scenario, and every single person that defends or enables that nonce can go get hosed.

I hate the 'snitch' label as an insult but this isn't some example of a terrible lack of cooperation with homicide investigators when some gang member shoots a kid in a playground by accident.

This is an immature rear end in a top hat who bragged and pretended to be a tough guy 'real gangster' rapper for years, and when he got the first bit of actual struggle in his life, he immediately rolled over and ratted out all his other gang members. Thats why he is called a snitch so much. Because he bragged in his songs for years about how much of a real g he was.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

The plan here is to reinvent Rin Tin Tin as a modern action star, the John Wick of dogs.


NYT had a bizarre hit piece on Ronan Farrow today and an article about how "Believe all women" is a right wing trap, so I have a feeling Farrow is soon publishing a story about somebody powerful who doesn't want it out.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 11, 2015

A DAILY DOSE
OF OLD SHOOTERS


PLAY NOW MY LORD



John Wick of Dogs posted:

NYT had a bizarre hit piece on Ronan Farrow today and an article about how "Believe all women" is a right wing trap, so I have a feeling Farrow is soon publishing a story about somebody powerful who doesn't want it out.

more obvious answer: NYT is hardcore pro-Biden and this whole thing suddenly got very, very inconvenient in that light

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

The plan here is to reinvent Rin Tin Tin as a modern action star, the John Wick of dogs.


WeedlordGoku69 posted:

more obvious answer: NYT is hardcore pro-Biden and this whole thing suddenly got very, very inconvenient in that light

Farrow has not done a story on him! (so far)

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 11, 2015

A DAILY DOSE
OF OLD SHOOTERS


PLAY NOW MY LORD



John Wick of Dogs posted:

Farrow has not done a story on him! (so far)

no, but he's kind of the main "face" of #MeToo in mainstream journalism. it makes sense that they'd try to tank his career before he gets a chance to write on the Tara Reade thing in any way.

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.

John Wick of Dogs posted:

Farrow has not done a story on him! (so far)

Biden just made Anita Dunn his chief strategist, she did pro bono strategy work for Weinstein before Farrow's New Yorker piece dropped.

Precambrian
Apr 30, 2008



Did you, uh, read the article? Because it's accusing Ronan Farrow of being "Resistance Journalism," going after "woke" targets who are unpopular on social media. Which, uh, doesn't exactly scream "a preemptive defense of Joe Biden." If I had to guess, it's institutional sour grapes, the Establishment Journalist being pissed that the (in his mind) sloppier writer is hailed as a hero of journalism, but if I wanted to be conspiracy minded, it's because the NYT really loving wanted Tara Reade's story to be big news (seriously, just do a search for her name on the NYT website and see how many more articles it brought up than any of the names of any of Trump's accusersóthe NYT really wanted this to be a big story with a lot of debate), but Farrow dropping hints that he wasn't investigating her story after Reade claimed she tried to reach him really put a damper on it. When he's the High Holy Arbiter of Sexual Assault, him not getting involved seems like a mark against the story you want to tell.

But my thinking is, the dumber, pettier story is always the more likely one and Ronan Farrow is popular while who even knows who Ben Smith is?

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009



Precambrian posted:

Did you, uh, read the article? Because it's accusing Ronan Farrow of being "Resistance Journalism," going after "woke" targets who are unpopular on social media. Which, uh, doesn't exactly scream "a preemptive defense of Joe Biden."

that's exactly what it screams actually

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

The plan here is to reinvent Rin Tin Tin as a modern action star, the John Wick of dogs.


That's part of the bizzareness of the article. Subjects like Lauer and Weinstein were not people unpopular on social media that the "woke" had in their crosshairs. They were people insiders had heard things about, but Weinstein was known as a logo in front of movies and Laueur was the Today show guy, where in the world is that guy?

It's an invention that they were easy targets popular to go after.

Precambrian
Apr 30, 2008



Brother Entropy posted:

that's exactly what it screams actually

This is why I find Twitter endlessly frustrating for discourse because "wokeness" is either leftist antiracism or liberal multiculturalism and who the gently caress knows what anyone's talking about other than they are Mad. But from the article, it feels a lot more like a curmudgeonly author working out a grudge against people he doesn't like that they're a Resistance Liberal Darling, which is to say, unsophisticated #StillWithHer types, not Chapo-listening ratio brigaders. So the assumption that it's going to be a NYT-backed hitpiece to protect Biden doesn't really jive with what I've seen of the NYT's political opinions, where they've actually been pretty interested in talking about allegations against Biden if only to make the race more "interesting," but it also doesn't really seem to work with the text of the article itself.

thekeeshman
Feb 21, 2007


The op-ed about how #BelieveWomen doesn't mean #BelieveAllWomen is definitely about Biden though, the author's vainly trying to figure out a way to make the Biden accusation unreliable but the Kavanaugh one totally justified.

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005

Everything is subject to the needs of intelligence, for geniuses like me. If we actually solve problems, people won't need me and people like me, and this is a travesty without end. You have to squeeze the poor so they know their place, and you fucking commies forget that.


Never under-estimate the NYT's capacity for politicized reporting that is nakedly obvious in its intent. As a reminder, pretty much all of the paper's coverage of Bernie Sanders. Also never underestimate the sheer power of the men accused of what in many cases are horrible sex crimes, usually by multiple women. Considering their money, connections, importance to the companies they work for, and sometimes influence on entire industries, it's a miracle we got as far as we did before the Doubting Thomas acts in the media really started gaining steam with that one-two punch combination of "well we can never know" and "does it really matter?" (the latter the province of comedians who have become nearsighted from how lovely most comedians are). The former argument is made possible by the levers of power being pulled to create coordinated pressure campaigns against accusers and any possible allies they have in a society that remains fundamentally puritanical about sex topics.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

I posted a 7 point defense of corporate wage theft because my brain is full of worms.

Its a right wing talking point, they're trying to change the narrative to "believe ALL women" and the using that to retroactively attack all the support and wokeness going on.

It's like watching the ACORN pimp video being played out in slow motion live, and then it's sped up and fed to the massess as 100% truth they don't want you to know.

The NYT buying in to this to cover for Biden is going to cause irreparable harm.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

The plan here is to reinvent Rin Tin Tin as a modern action star, the John Wick of dogs.


Not The Onion

https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status...3032086532?s=19

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005

Everything is subject to the needs of intelligence, for geniuses like me. If we actually solve problems, people won't need me and people like me, and this is a travesty without end. You have to squeeze the poor so they know their place, and you fucking commies forget that.



Also never underestimate the brazenness with which these powerful men will use their allies in the media to coordinate public counterattacks. In this case, Matt Lauer releasing a loving college thesis 48 hours after "Ronan Farrow: Not Actually That Cool" hits the NYT, the unstated end goal to massage this controversy down far enough to be working in television again.

Julius CSAR
Oct 3, 2007

Shut up and die like an aviator.

Theyíre still going


https://twitter.com/mediaite/status...5833734151?s=21

Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005


Itís crazy how a dude who looks like both his mother and father are frank Sinatra grew up to be a private eye investigating sex creeps

Least expected character of 2020

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.

Alan Smithee posted:

Itís crazy how a dude who looks like both his mother and father are frank Sinatra grew up to be a private eye investigating sex creeps

Least expected character of 2020

It's honestly not surprising at all the Ronan Farrow became a preeminent researcher and exposer of sex criminals.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017



pentyne posted:

Its a right wing talking point, they're trying to change the narrative to "believe ALL women" and the using that to retroactively attack all the support and wokeness going on.

It's like watching the ACORN pimp video being played out in slow motion live, and then it's sped up and fed to the massess as 100% truth they don't want you to know.

The NYT buying in to this to cover for Biden is going to cause irreparable harm.

It's not and never has been a right wing talking point. It IS however the right making gleeful use of the ammunition that liberals are handing them by trying to roll back #MeToo because someone wearing the wrong hat got accused and the only alternative would be to let Bernie Sanders win.

It is causing irreparable harm to feminism, and that's the point. It's gone too far when it's actually affecting powerful men on their team. They never do seem to figure out that the other team absolutely loves using their hypocrisy against them.

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007



Iím kind of surprised there arenít more people in the comments screaming about INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, but pieces of poo poo are still crawling out of the woodwork - that Jerry Sandusky further John Zeiglerís glommed on to this.

Even if he doesnít have a piece on Biden, these attacks seem like clear signaling that MeToo is dead and things are going to get dragged back even further than before. But that first NYT piece does lead me to think he has something on Biden in the works.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017



The wild conspiracy theory is this is building up to normalising and reintroducing rapists back into the mainstream. Remember Lewis CK? Al Franken? Woody Allen? Roman Polanski? Guess who's baaaaack!

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