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pentyne posted:The closest analogy I can think of its the curb stomp scene in American History X. If someone just posted that clip and said that was what the movie represented it would be called horrifically racist in an unforgivable way. That the entire point of the movie is to say such things like that scene are abhorrent and dangerous isn't going to matter to the people who both love the scene unironically and who hate the scene no matter what context its in. On the other hand, American History X is usually brought up as an example of a movie with muddled message at best.
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Zogo posted:Kevin Spacey Accused of Sexually Assaulting Two 14-Year-Old Boys in New Lawsuit Wait two weeks and we'll see if they also get in "car accidents."
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:On the other hand, American History X is usually brought up as an example of a movie with muddled message at best. Yeah, I'd say its heart is in the right place, but yeah, it fucks up the messaging at the best of times.
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# ? Sep 12, 2020 22:44 |
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I like American History X, but it was very popular with White Supremacists back in the day.
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# ? Sep 12, 2020 23:38 |
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AceOfFlames posted:If it wasn’t for that whole “Big Mouth got renewed for multiple seasons at once while Tuca and Bertie got canned after 1 season and being utterly buried by the Netflix Algorithm” debacle, I wonder if people would even talk about Big Mouth at all. Let me preface this with “I am not trying to be funny” What if Big Mouth got renewed for 4 seasons because it instantly became the most accessible piece of pedofile media in the world? I can dig up the old AOL post if people want, but this sort of thing has happened before. Tiny Toons was a very popular and successful show about children versions of popular looney tunes, and it was a TV show right around the birth of the internet becoming mainstream. The voice actors started going to conventions and basically immediately realized that their fans were actually all just adult men who had questions about whether or not Babs was 16... it’s why they cancelled Tiny Toons and set out to make Animaniacs, a show in which the characters were specifically designed to be as featureless as possible to keep people from being creepy about them. I know it’s a very Tinfoil hat sounding thing, and I really don’t think the Big Mouth team set out to do this AT ALL, but I can easily see a situation where Netflix execs look at the numbers and go “wow people just love that John Mulaney” and never give it a second thought that there might be something specific about this show that really asks some questions. Nothing gets multiple seasons renewed up front at Netflix if it doesn’t do ABSURD numbers.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 00:37 |
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Ahh yes the show with this joke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xmAC9Qu908 was hyper worried about people sexualizing their characters.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 00:47 |
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I mean I know that people will make porn of anything but Big Mouth's characters are all quite deliberately grotesque.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 00:52 |
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I can't believe those perverts are jerking it to our children's cartoon. We need to make a new cartoon that's impossible to get horny to. Oh here's some new characters for the show
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 00:57 |
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You don’t think there’s a difference between a “sexy (adult) nurse” and a teen bunny?
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Skwirl posted:I can't believe those perverts are jerking it to our children's cartoon. We need to make a new cartoon that's impossible to get horny to. When she shows up, they go "HELLLOOOOO NURSE!" She's literally designed to be the sexy nurse. What's the problem here For everything else ,nothing is safe. I mean, poo poo, people sexualize toasters and airplanes. Fargin Icehole fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Sep 13, 2020 |
# ? Sep 13, 2020 00:58 |
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Tuca and Bertie is an expensive looking show and basically tells a complete story in its one season, where Big mouth looks cheap as hell and is basically a sitcom, so I never really got what people were surprised about in terms of renewal.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 01:04 |
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I don't think anyone would call the internet "mainstream" in 1990 to 1992, either. It was maybe the beginning of people talking about it being a thing, but it wouldn't hit the mainstream until, at absolute earliest, 1994 (when Prodigy introduced a WWW client to their service and Amazon was founded) and more likely 1995 when Microsoft bundled Internet Explorer with Windows 95 (or even 1996, when AOL abandoned the "per-hour" charges and switched to a monthly bill). Besides, people who wanted to get off to underage cartoons were cranking it to Disney cartoons for decades before any of this (or even before anime), and it's weird that people pretend that this stuff only popped up in the 90s. Snow White, Cinderella, Alice, Aurora, they're all teenagers at oldest in their depictions and I can assure you there were people getting off to lewd drawings of them through things like tijuana bibles in the times that those movies were still in theaters. It's like people going "furries came from Lola Bunny!"; sure, maybe a generation of them were awakened by that character, but the first real meteorite of people getting off to bipedal talking mascot characters traces back to at least Disney's Robin Hood, and probably all the way back to Disney's first "funny animals" cartoons, since there are tijuana bibles of Mickey and Minnie and Donald and Goofy all getting it on. The internet didn't really invent any porn, just made it much, much, much more accessible.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 01:16 |
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Bust Rodd posted:Let me preface this with “I am not trying to be funny” you know this is a literal QAnon talking point, right? e: like, it's not just "tinfoil hat sounding," you are literally saying the same things as one of the worst and most harmful groups of tinfoil hatters
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:you know this is a literal QAnon talking point, right? What part is the QAnon talking point?
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 01:56 |
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Big Mouth just has a ridiculously big advertising push. It's inescapable on social media every time a new season comes out, and every time people respond with "get this poo poo off my feed" (not because of the kid stuff, but because it's hideous).
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 02:03 |
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Boywhiz88 posted:What part is the QAnon talking point? I don't know if it's QAnon, but the idea that Netflix's programming decisions are driven by the preferences of a secret horde of pedophiles is pretty loving nuts to just throw out there. Like, sure, maybe Big Mouth is like Lazytown in that it's media that pedophiles latched on to it and shared it around amongst themselves on the Dark Web or whatever, but there's literally no evidence whatsoever that that's a number sufficient to move the dial just compared to fans of John Mulaney. Or literally any other demographic analysis. I mean, the only way this works is if you think that pedophilia is a massively popular paraphilia. Like, look at the original post: Bust Rodd posted:What if Big Mouth got renewed for 4 seasons because it instantly became the most accessible piece of pedofile media in the world? Purely on conjecture that the show is popular, Bust Rodd is just asking questions if it might be due to pedophile appeal being sufficient to drive "ABSURD numbers." He can easily see a situation where there are so many pedophiles out there that their support for a show is big enough that Netflix notices and caters to. Again, this is a wild rear end claim that makes a massive allegation about the nature of the world that's backed by nothing more than a heavily promoted John Mulaney show being popular enough to get 4 seasons. Presumably popular—Netflix doesn't give out viewer numbers, so the reason it got 4 seasons is literally just as plausible that Mulaney and the Netflix CEO go to the same Adrenochrome parties. It's not tinfoil hattery, it's just wild allegations and conjecture. There is one show that we know is disproportionately popular with pedophiles, though. Star Trek! Is pedo support what made Picard a success and Discovery a dud? If they're such a potent demographic, should we perhaps suspect every popular media being secretly driven by pedophile interests? It just makes a mockery of any nuanced discussion of sexuality in the media when someone can throw out an allegation that there's a vast pedophile population that Netflix et al. are overtly or unwittingly catering to with literally no evidence.
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Matilda weighing in https://twitter.com/marawilson/status/1304883825789423616?s=21
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 03:01 |
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I'd also like some evidence that Tiny Tunes was canceled because the writers and actors were disgusted by the amount of pedophiles watching it.
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mycot posted:Big Mouth just has a ridiculously big advertising push. It's inescapable on social media every time a new season comes out, and every time people respond with "get this poo poo off my feed" (not because of the kid stuff, but because it's hideous). The nick kroll dad conspiracy gets deeper and deeper
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 03:19 |
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Skwirl posted:I'd also like some evidence that Tiny Tunes was canceled because the writers and actors were disgusted by the amount of pedophiles watching it. Here ya go http://web.archive.org/web/20030514145917/www.crushyiffdestroy.com/show-article.php?file=falk
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Bust Rodd posted:Matilda weighing in It doesn't seem like that supports anything you're saying, because her entire point is pedophiles will sexualize any media containing children and there are million+ views vids on youtube of young girls jumping on trampolines and poo poo. There's literally no basis for a good faith argument against something being "oh, well what if pedophiles like it?" Bust Rodd posted:Here ya go Did you actually read that? No where does it state they cancelled the show because of pedophiles, in fact a more likely reason was the female VA being stalked and repeatedly harassed by that guy. You don't seem either capable or willing to engage any of the actual issues you just hover around the whole myth of a masive global conspiracy of pedos secretly helping enough other through mass media proliferation. pentyne fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Precambrian posted:I don't know if it's QAnon, but the idea that Netflix's programming decisions are driven by the preferences of a secret horde of pedophiles is pretty loving nuts to just throw out there. Like, sure, maybe Big Mouth is like Lazytown in that it's media that pedophiles latched on to it and shared it around amongst themselves on the Dark Web or whatever, but there's literally no evidence whatsoever that that's a number sufficient to move the dial just compared to fans of John Mulaney. Or literally any other demographic analysis. I mean, the only way this works is if you think that pedophilia is a massively popular paraphilia. Like, look at the original post: this, but also, QAnon nutters specifically think Big Mouth is an example of HOLLYWEIRD PEDOPHILES secretly sending messages to other pedophiles. like, that's a thing i've encountered before.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 03:46 |
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EDIT: Yeah this derail sucks. I don't think we need TV about sexy kids. Given what we know about how YouTube works, from the mouths of some of the people who created it, it doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility that Netflix's algorithm can do a similar thing. Here's a podcast about how the YouTube algorithm funnels people towards Alt right bullshit, which then has the tendency to push those people towards weird, pedo adjacent video: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/how-stuff-works/behind-the-bastards/e/62045942 Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Once a researcher on a TV show I worked on walked into a room and, entirely unprompted, told me that he was going to gently caress me. And everyone in the room laughed. Years later, an acquaintance of mine had to leave the same show because he routinely humiliated and harassed her until she was gone. As far as I know, he still works on that show. Anyway, this is all to say that this thread about the harassment and abuse that many in Hollywood face becoming about repackaged Q conspiracies and why Tiny Toons was canceled kinda sucks. I get why Cuties was being discussed, but it feels like everyone said their piece.
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Bust Rodd posted:I never said they cancelled the show because of pedofiles, I said quote:Not much is known about these "stalker fans". They were furries, that much is obvious. The fact that they may very well have been the first furries most people in the animation industry encountered was a recipe for long-term catastrophe. They obviously didn't represent the majority of Tiny Toons fans; they didn't even represent the majority of furrydumb at the time. You're literally JAQing about a pedophile conspiracy regarding media popularity and just making poo poo up. Take this poo poo to cspam or wherever. pentyne fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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This whole discussion and that Mara Wilson thread really just cement my belief that we shouldn’t use children in movies at all. You don’t get to skirt labour laws for “art” when that art is part of a 130 billion dollar industry with a history of abuse.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 04:33 |
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Ok I'm very out of the loop and I'm afraid to look it up but what is Big Mouth and why is it pedo
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 04:41 |
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Phi230 posted:what is Big Mouth Netflix show. TV-MA rated comedy about teenagers going through puberty, puberty being gross, and puberty manifesting as gross-looking monsters voiced by stand-up comedians. quote:why is it pedo it's very deliberately not. all the human characters look like this: what human being on planet earth would want to gently caress that abomination?
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 05:02 |
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This loving sucks and you’re all are doing the same pearl clutching on both sides that should be against the whole drat ‘no politics’ poo poo. Half of these posts are just “YOU can’t talk about this now cause you’re being reactionary”. I did better discourse by myself over two pages than all of you combined come on. Either say something of substance or move on cause you’re all just arguing about different things and getting mad about it
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Phi230 posted:Ok I'm very out of the loop and I'm afraid to look it up but what is Big Mouth and why is it pedo It's a South Park style comedy cartoon show on Netflix.
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Professorjuggalo posted:arglebargle people won't join my insane loving Pizzagate crusade suck my entire rear end (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:suck my entire rear end lmfao ok future victor salva eat poo poo (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 05:08 |
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So then whats the big deal about Big Mouth other than it being edgy. Is there some bad poo poo in it or what. Why are people talking about it
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Bust Rodd posted:EDIT: Yeah this derail sucks. I don't think we need TV about sexy kids. yeah it's sort of odd that something like Netflix picking up this one movie has everyone up in arms when Youtube and Facebook have had a terrible time trying to get child abusers and creeps off their sites. Facebook is probably happy with people pushing this conspiracy theory because it gets the attention away from them, but you know that Facebook will never actually become a part of this conspiracy as long as it's the primary way for it to spread. Can't burn down the plane while you're still inside it and it's over the ocean.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 05:10 |
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Professorjuggalo posted:I did better discourse by myself over two pages than all of you combined come on Professorjuggalo posted:lmfao ok future victor salva eat poo poo Yeah real strong discourse vibes here you accusing someone of being a pedophile for disagreeing with you.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 05:12 |
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'I did better discourse' is the most pathetic thing for a human being to say as some kind of slam
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pentyne posted:Yeah real strong discourse vibes here you accusing someone of being a pedophile for disagreeing with you. Considering he just said I was on a pizzagate crusade and told me to suck his rear end I think the response is warranted sexpig by night posted:'I did better discourse' is the most pathetic thing for a human being to say as some kind of slam It wasn’t a slam though? You guys are arguing in circles about big mouth and internet porn
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pentyne posted:Yeah real strong discourse vibes here you accusing someone of being a pedophile for disagreeing with you. That really should be a straight up ban.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 05:19 |
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its just probably not a good idea to pay scantily clad children to dance sexually on video for a mass audience even if the reason is art and a positive message maybe there's a line somewhere between what it is and isn't acceptable to depict for actors under a certain age without it being "pearl clutching" as others have said, the scene is shot much more gratuitously than stuff it's been compared to like in Donnie Darko or Little Miss sunshine. the choreography alone doesn't even compare.
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Professorjuggalo posted:Considering he just said I was on a pizzagate crusade and told me to suck his rear end I think the response is warranted Are you a child? Then I don't think the words "suck my rear end" aimed at you are grounds to accuse someone of being a pedophile.
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