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Jan 20, 2022 01:00
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:“Do you swim? You won’t”… holy loving poo poo.
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Jan 20, 2022 01:34
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That was from BvS though?
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Jan 20, 2022 01:36
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Rhyno posted:That was from BvS though? Yeah boy versus swimming…
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Jan 20, 2022 01:58
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Yeah boy versus swimming… Jesus. Good show.
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Jan 20, 2022 02:00
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Rhyno posted:Jesus. Good show. That was walking, not swimming.
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Jan 20, 2022 02:02
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Snowman_McK posted:That was walking, not swimming. Noice!
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Jan 20, 2022 02:05
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I don't think we can hold a 5-year-old accountable for a possible accident 45 years ago, but we can hold a 50-something year old director and screenwriter accountable for using it for pity points about four and a half decades later.
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Jan 20, 2022 02:23
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Rhyno posted:That was from BvS though? yeah I guess if we wanted the Whedon version it would be "yeah, someone's definitely drowning"
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Jan 20, 2022 06:31
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edogawa rando posted:Shane Carruth is a gently caress, and I don't care how good Primer or Upstream Color or whatever other movies he's made are, because I'm not watching them out of general principle.
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Jan 20, 2022 07:11
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I suppose it's his excuse for constantly portraying people falling over face-down into things.
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Jan 20, 2022 07:31
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A new angle for bullying on this is that Joss Whedon, despite being old and wealthy, can't swim.
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Jan 20, 2022 07:48
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Joss Whedon apparently cast as Frankenstein's Monster.
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Jan 20, 2022 08:49
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Disco Pope posted:I don't think we can hold a 5-year-old accountable for a possible accident 45 years ago, but we can hold a 50-something year old director and screenwriter accountable for using it for pity points about four and a half decades later. I do have note that it's Lena Dunham level of bringing up hosed up things from childhood that no asked for
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Jan 20, 2022 16:47
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I will never understand why the gently caress people bring forward this kind of information. This, Liam Neeson wanting to kill black people, Lena Dunham's molestation... What exactly do these people think they GAIN from this. It doesn't make sense.
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Jan 20, 2022 16:49
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I feel like it's a weird combination of thinking "people value honesty and appreciate when you acknowledge your flaws and mistakes" and being isolated from normal life because they're celebrities. Their sense if what's socially appropriate is warped by money and fame.
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Jan 20, 2022 17:50
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emo-ignorance posted:The worst part of the Joss Whedon profile was the reveal that his real name is Joseph. People's "real" names are whatever they tell you they are. The writer didn't need to include that information in an article about how big a piece of poo poo the guy is as a gotchya' about him being a pretentious douche.
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Jan 20, 2022 21:37
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LividLiquid posted:Joss Whedon sucks and I'll never forgive him, but this is gross, and so was the article's treatment of it. Counterpoint: Joss hosed up and used his nickname and his legal name interchangeably on a bunch of documents and hosed himself over, which as a trans individual in the middle of that paperwork nightmare, is loving hilarious to see happen to someone deserving when I have to cross all my Ts and dot all my Is on the right papers at the right time.
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Jan 20, 2022 22:21
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LividLiquid posted:Joss Whedon sucks and I'll never forgive him, but this is gross, and so was the article's treatment of it. I don't think it was used as a gotcha in the article? It's two words. "Born Joseph," followed by more biographical information about him. It's also been public knowledge for quite some time, but the Vulture article was the first I heard of it. It's not like he's trans and Joseph is his deadname. Frankly, it would be bad writing if every single detail in the article was specifically about what a piece of poo poo he is.
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Jan 20, 2022 22:54
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emo-ignorance posted:I don't think it was used as a gotcha in the article? It's two words. "Born Joseph," followed by more biographical information about him. It's also been public knowledge for quite some time, but the Vulture article was the first I heard of it. It's not like he's trans and Joseph is his deadname. Frankly, it would be bad writing if every single detail in the article was specifically about what a piece of poo poo he is. And I'm trans too, so I'm glad it doesn't bother you, SBG, but I'm sick to death of people treating my parents as the authority on what my name "really" is.
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Jan 20, 2022 23:00
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It just means that his parents named him Joseph and "Joss" is just a weird diminutive form of the name that he uses. What a weird thing for poeple to get fixated over, when there's plenty of other poo poo in that article to scrutinise.
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Jan 20, 2022 23:02
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edogawa rando posted:It just means that his parents named him Joseph and "Joss" is just a weird diminutive form of the name that he uses.
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Jan 20, 2022 23:04
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LividLiquid posted:Why even mention it? What is to be gained, other than to solidify in the minds of some that people's name changes aren't valid? Why does it matter to any of us what he was "born" as? Particularly since he wasn't "born" anything. His parents gave him that name, and they're not the authority on what his name is or should be, so it's best left unsaid. 
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Jan 20, 2022 23:07
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AceOfFlames posted:I will never understand why the gently caress people bring forward this kind of information. This, Liam Neeson wanting to kill black people, Lena Dunham's molestation... What exactly do these people think they GAIN from this. It doesn't make sense. normal-rear end vampire posted:I feel like it's a weird combination of thinking "people value honesty and appreciate when you acknowledge your flaws and mistakes" and being isolated from normal life because they're celebrities. Their sense if what's socially appropriate is warped by money and fame. Also, lots of people have a strong urge to confess wrongdoings no matter how bad they are. They hope to gain some kind of absolution for their conscience. It's why many people confess their crimes to friends years later. I've heard stories about murderers getting away with the crime but the case being reopened because they confessed to some friend years later. Certain things can just really eat away at the psyche.
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Jan 20, 2022 23:21
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https://twitter.com/FilmUpdates/status/1483832368360218627?s=20 tangential but really weird
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Jan 20, 2022 23:22
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In case it was ever in question -- I don't actually think Joss changing his name is worse than him cheating on his wife or abusing employees or maybe killing a kid. I was just having a laugh
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Jan 20, 2022 23:27
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emo-ignorance posted:In case it was ever in question -- I don't actually think Joss changing his name is worse than him cheating on his wife or abusing employees or maybe killing a kid. I was just having a laugh I thought that was clear enough, but 
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Jan 20, 2022 23:40
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Coaaab posted:they're two of my favorite films of all time that each feel sui generis with apparently no else in movies trying to take up their mantle and I still wouldn't want you to give that piece of poo poo loser the time of day I'm generally pretty comfortable separating art and artist for a lot of things but that guy is an absolute monster and it really sours his movies due to how personal they feel. I hate to throw Primer on the "Bill Cosby" pile of irredeemable media because it's one of my favorite evers but there's no way I could watch it now. I hope the dude never hurts anyone again.
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Jan 21, 2022 00:06
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Didn't Machine Gun Kelly die in the 50s?
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Jan 21, 2022 02:09
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AceOfFlames posted:I will never understand why the gently caress people bring forward this kind of information. This, Liam Neeson wanting to kill black people, Lena Dunham's molestation... What exactly do these people think they GAIN from this. It doesn't make sense. Neeson doesn't belong in the same category as the others. He was asked a question about how revenge fantasies play out in real life and he told a story that reveals that, no poo poo, they're horrifying. I thought that was his point, that it was only okay specifically as a safe fantasy in fictional story. He knew it was an awful thing to have done. That was why he told the story. At least that's my memory of it and my memory has proven over and over that it's loving useless.
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Jan 21, 2022 03:51
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Snowman_McK posted:Neeson doesn't belong in the same category as the others. He was asked a question about how revenge fantasies play out in real life and he told a story that reveals that, no poo poo, they're horrifying. I thought that was his point, that it was only okay specifically as a safe fantasy in fictional story. He knew it was an awful thing to have done. That was why he told the story. Yeah, that's how I read it too. Still though, if I ever got internet famous, I'm saying jack about poo poo, and I'm sure as poo poo not connecting myself to this username here.
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Jan 21, 2022 04:29
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Snowman_McK posted:Neeson doesn't belong in the same category as the others. He was asked a question about how revenge fantasies play out in real life and he told a story that reveals that, no poo poo, they're horrifying. I thought that was his point, that it was only okay specifically as a safe fantasy in fictional story. He knew it was an awful thing to have done. That was why he told the story. That is what he attempted to say but what he actually said was "When I heard someone close to me was raped, the first thing I did was ask what color he was and then I spent days hoping I could murder someone of the same color." That is not a "Oh well I could put myself in his shoes" response. That is an absolutely unbelievable level of racist and him going "But y'know I realize that was bad as I use it to promote my horrible revenge fantasy movie" doesn't actually change the fact that his response was pure unbridled racism and he didn't seem to realize it. Like if he'd told a story about how someone close to him was hurt and he wished he could hurt the person who hurt them, it'd be a lot less "holy poo poo." When he went "Someone close to me was hurt and that made me eager for a chance to murder a black person" that has nothing to do with revenge fantasy. It is him talking about the time he wanted to racistly murder an innocent person who just happened to share the skin color. That's the key there. He would not have said the same thing about a white person. And there's also the not-so-little fact that he was playing the victim for someone else's trauma. Using someone else's rape as an excuse to live out a horrifyingly racist fantasy. Even in the interview he says he feels bad for it because he understands revenge fantasies are bad, which glosses over the small part that he wasn't having a revenge fantasy. He was having a "I want to murder an innocent person because of their skin color" fantasy. It really needs to be stressed how significant that is. This was not a revenge fantasy. He specifically stated his fantasy was to find a 'black bastard' and he waited outside of pubs hoping someone would bother him so he could justifiably murder him. You don't do that if you're looking for revenge on someone who hurt someone close to you. You don't even do that in the revenge flick fantasy of "killing the bad people who hurt an innocent person." He wanted to murder an innocent person. That is his concept of revenge and when he told the story he made it pretty clear that the problem he saw was "revenge is bad and doesn't solve anything" and not "Holy poo poo I wanted to kill an innocent person because of their skin color, how insanely racist is that?" ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Jan 21, 2022 |
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Jan 21, 2022 04:48
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How many people have drowned in things Whedon has written or produced?
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Jan 21, 2022 04:51
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Rhyno posted:How many people have drowned in things Whedon has written or produced? At the end of season 1 of Buffy she temporarily drowns after being left face-down in water by the baddies.
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Jan 21, 2022 05:37
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Digging through the rap sheet where I'm probated repeatedly for standing up (admittedly often extremely clumsily) for marginalized peeps isn't the spectacular burn you think it is and usernames changing on a web forum isn't the same as somebody asking you to use their real name in real life. These things matter. You shouldn't call a woman a whore or whatever just because she does actually suck. It doesn't hurt the person who sucks. It hurts a lot of innocent people. Reporters going out of their way to tell their readers somebody's birth name is a bad loving thing. Full stop. I don't give a single gently caress what happens to Joss Whedon. gently caress that guy. But this doesn't hurt him. It hurts anybody still trying to convince a hostile world that their name is their name.
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Jan 21, 2022 07:07
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Mate, if you're going to get this bent out of shape over "Born Joseph," you might need to log off for a bit.
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Jan 21, 2022 07:22
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Today I learned that having a nickname is the same as being transgender
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Jan 21, 2022 07:54
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I get the whole dead-naming thing and wanting to push back against that sort of thing, but this ain't it.
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Jan 21, 2022 07:57
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ImpAtom posted:*a lot of very good points that I broadly disagree with* So he specifically included a whole bunch of details that skew the story racially and make him look far worse but you think he wasn't aware of the racist part of the story or how bad it made him look? The fact that his 'revenge' wouldn't even be against the person who did it is part of the critique of revenge fantasies. In how many revenge films does the hero start with people who don't have anything to do with the original act? Who just broadly fit the profile? That's most of, for instance, Death Wish's running time. All the people who broadly fit the profile are also bad in some way, justifying the hero's actions. But the more likely path is just beating the poo poo out of random people. In a revenge fantasy, that random anger and violence leads either to people who are up to no good if not the people who they're looking for, or eventually someone who is who they're looking for. That random anger ends up justified in the world of the film. Maybe I'm just biased towards a charitable view since I've been a fan of Neeson for a long time, but I also think you're extrapolating a little too much from a story he told off the cuff. If he'd worked through it with a therapist and then written it down as an essay or open letter, fair enough, but he's publicly telling a story that he's likely told very few people. It's a story that makes him confront some very ugly parts of himself and I'm inclined to cut someone a little slack. Anyway, this is a derail in a thread that's already prone to really bad details. Your points are well made and well taken. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Jan 21, 2022 |
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I feel like there is a difference with dead-naming someone who is transgender and bringing up Joss changed his name. With the person who is transgender, it’s part of their identity and nothing else. There’s no legitimate reason to bring up the old name, other than to deny them control over their name. Joss reinvented his identity to do better with the ladies, and this kind of feels relevant to what he’s doing right now.
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