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Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010



I donít personally think the article made a meal of it, but I always wonder whatís the point of bringing up someoneís legal name.

Canít speak for anyone else but as an Asian person Iíve more than once been asked whatís my real name. For trans people the deadnaming is more often associated with hateful intentions, Iím sure.

Letís just call people what they wanna be called and move on from it.

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enki42
Jun 11, 2001
#ATMLIVESMATTER

Put this Nazi-lover on ignore immediately!


Rhyno posted:

How many people have drowned in things Whedon has written or produced?

I think he's too busy forcing his extremely obvious mind control fetish on everyone to spend much time dealing with childhood trauma.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!


Vegetable posted:

I don’t personally think the article made a meal of it, but I always wonder what’s the point of bringing up someone’s legal name.

Can’t speak for anyone else but as an Asian person I’ve more than once been asked what’s my real name. For trans people the deadnaming is more often associated with hateful intentions, I’m sure.

Let’s just call people what they wanna be called and move on from it.

It's just an interview cliche, just a little background to fill the word count. It's like using 'Webster's dictionary defines...' in a speech.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here. It's gone now.




Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

It's just an interview cliche, just a little background to fill the word count. It's like using 'Webster's dictionary defines...' in a speech.

Pretty much this, a formality. Check out any celebrity bio and they tend to start out with something like, "Born Norma Jeane Mortenson, Marilyn Monroe was..."

Names are contextually different for celebrities because stage names rarely have a deeper meaning than "sounding better" or "standing out." "Joss Whedon" is going to stick in a producer or agent's mind more than a Joe or Joseph. I know tons of people who go by a catchier name to promote themselves because being memorable is a huge part of networking here. You only keep your given name if you're a legacy or small potatoes crew like me.

But then again, I go by the male form of my name to net more interviews. It's all tactics, not personable.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slśgt skal fÝlge slśgters gang




Sometimes, it's even a bare necessity to "change" your name. As I understand it, the screen actor's guild requires unique names so if you have the same name as some other member past or previous, you have to choose a screen name. I don't know if that's the case for writers/directors or whatever Whedon classifies as, though.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here. It's gone now.




I don't work in live action, but it's totally the same for writers/directors in animation.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006




College Slice

Carthag Tuek posted:

As I understand it, the screen actor's guild requires unique names so if you have the same name as some other member past or previous, you have to choose a screen name.

Just ask Michael Keaton.

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

😶😯😮😲🥱😲😮😯😶
The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.



Michael J Fox's middle name is Aaron.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here. It's gone now.




Skwirl posted:

Michael J Fox's middle name is Aaron.

This one encapsulates the process pretty well, honestly.

Wikipedia posted:

Fox was discovered by producer Ronald Shedlo and made his American television debut in the television film Letters from Frank, credited under the name "Michael Fox". He intended to continue to use the name, but when he registered with the Screen Actors Guild, which requires unique registration names to avoid credit ambiguities (and the possibility that royalty checks would be sent to the wrong actors), he discovered that Michael Fox, a veteran character actor, was already registered under the name.[3] As he explained in his autobiography Lucky Man: A Memoir and in interviews, he needed to come up with a different name. He did not like the sound of "Michael A. Fox" during a time when "fox" meant "attractive" and because his "A" sounded too much like the Canadian "eh?" Fox also disliked the sound of "Andrew" or "Andy", so he decided to use a different middle initial and settled on "J", as a tribute to actor Michael J. Pollard.[6]

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012


My favorite anecdote about Hollywood names is how Michael Keaton (born Michael Douglas) has to change his name because there were already two Michael Douglases working as actors. In some interview he said "One is doing very well for himself, and the other is doing cheap porn movies like Basic Instinct" :iceburn:

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007


Vegetable posted:

I donít personally think the article made a meal of it, but I always wonder whatís the point of bringing up someoneís legal name.

Canít speak for anyone else but as an Asian person Iíve more than once been asked whatís my real name. For trans people the deadnaming is more often associated with hateful intentions, Iím sure.

Letís just call people what they wanna be called and move on from it.

Itís funny that he didnít care enough to properly update all of his legal documentation and massively hosed up his own life because of it.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007





Nucleic Acids posted:

Itís funny that he didnít care enough to properly update all of his legal documentation and massively hosed up his own life because of it.

One of my coworkers nearing retirement age has Jr. only being present on some of his government-issued identification and while it hasn't mattered for most of his life it's causing him some really weird issues recently. Janitor that stuff as it comes up.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



https://twitter.com/wkamaubell/status/1483902963294691331?s=21

I just finished watching this through Sundance, itís very good and everyone should watch it as soon as they can. The stories told by some of the women he assaulted are heartbreaking and itís good that they have somewhere to speak out that is as carefully built as this doc is. I imagine it will spark a wide range of reactions, and it doesnít try to downplay Cosbyís influence or the impact heís had on pop culture and black culture specifically, but it frames those things as facilitators of his ability to assault as many women for as long as he did. It was also late enough in production that they were taping interviews in Philly when he was released from prison in July and they got reactions from some of their interviewees about that.

edit: it looks like Sundance is gonna have a second screening on Monday. Tickets are virtual and I think for those second screenings you have 24 hours after the scheduled time to watch it on your tv or computer or tablet or whatever. Itís $20 but itís a 4 episode doc and thatís probably about the price for a monthís worth of Showtime so thatís still worth it imo

DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jan 22, 2022

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible





AceOfFlames posted:

My favorite anecdote about Hollywood names is how Michael Keaton (born Michael Douglas) has to change his name because there were already two Michael Douglases working as actors. In some interview he said "One is doing very well for himself, and the other is doing cheap porn movies like Basic Instinct" :iceburn:

I also remember an interview from Michael Keaton from a long time ago, where he's said he's given up whenever people ask him about Diane Keaton. He just responds "She's doing great; we're going to visit uncle Buster's grave this weekend."

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010


DC Murderverse posted:

https://twitter.com/wkamaubell/status/1483902963294691331?s=21

I just finished watching this through Sundance, itís very good and everyone should watch it as soon as they can. The stories told by some of the women he assaulted are heartbreaking and itís good that they have somewhere to speak out that is as carefully built as this doc is. I imagine it will spark a wide range of reactions, and it doesnít try to downplay Cosbyís influence or the impact heís had on pop culture and black culture specifically, but it frames those things as facilitators of his ability to assault as many women for as long as he did. It was also late enough in production that they were taping interviews in Philly when he was released from prison in July and they got reactions from some of their interviewees about that.

edit: it looks like Sundance is gonna have a second screening on Monday. Tickets are virtual and I think for those second screenings you have 24 hours after the scheduled time to watch it on your tv or computer or tablet or whatever. Itís $20 but itís a 4 episode doc and thatís probably about the price for a monthís worth of Showtime so thatís still worth it imo

I read a review and the sinking feeling I got when the doc points out that he openly talked about dosing women back in the goddamned 60's was heavy.

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:



El Gallinero Gros posted:

I read a review and the sinking feeling I got when the doc points out that he openly talked about dosing women back in the goddamned 60's was heavy.

It was part of his act... I remember listening to one of his comedy records when I was like 5 (cause he was a clean comedian it was ok) and he has a whole bit about it on the one album

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001

The four most over-rated things in life are champagne, lobster, anal sex and picnics. Oh, and that stupid children's book 'The Little Prince,' ugh.
:krad:


Yams Fan

Spanish fly, I remember that bit.

Or I made it up in my head.

Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005
free av


Didnít Eddie Murphy have a whole bit in Raw about Cosby telling him to tone down his language and he basically told him to F off

Boywhiz88
Sep 11, 2005

floating 26" off da ground. BURR!


Alan Smithee posted:

Didnít Eddie Murphy have a whole bit in Raw about Cosby telling him to tone down his language and he basically told him to F off

ďDo the people like it? Does it make them laugh? Then you can tell Bill I said Ďhave a Coke, a smile, and shut the gently caress up!íĒ

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.


In retrospect Cosby is an absolutely loving crazy person.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



Remulak posted:

Spanish fly, I remember that bit.

Or I made it up in my head.

You did not because motherfucker kept coming back to that bit. Like thereís a clip from a Larry King interview in the early nineties where he mentions Spanish Fly as like, a cool thing men used to do (youíll never guess how Larry King responds not well)

Gee I wonder why Spanish Fly and itís effect on women kept a post at the front of Bill Cosbyís mind. Itís probably because

Ghost Leviathan posted:

In retrospect Cosby is an absolutely loving crazy person.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006


I think the Spanish Fly bit has been a little exaggerated over the years. The actual joke in the bit is that Spanish fly doesn't exist and horny thirteen year old boys make up poo poo. The punchline is him going to Spain and a Spanish cab driver asking him for American Fly.

Don't get me wrong. It's a REALLY, REALLY hosed up bit where some of the jokes come from describing raping a mentally ill women and Cosby tells on himself because the idea of Spanish fly is that it's an aphrodisiac for mutually loving not drugging women. The fact that Cosby "imagines" Spanish Fly as causing women into being drunk and incoherent and not ya know... horny, is very telling and probably coming from his experience of probably drugging women at the time.

But I think it's been mythologized into Cosby having this bit where the whole joke is that he rapes women and it's been around for years. It was a hosed up bit, but one that I think was easy for people to overlook as general 1960s creepiness or for the horror of it all being hidden in the actual motion of the joke.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.


'Spanish fly' seems basically a euphemism for drugs that would later be called 'roofies'.

I mean it's not like sexual norms in the 70s... or 80s... or 90s... or 00s... were very good on that topic. A seemingly mainstream idea that boys raised in the 90s came away with was that women apparently had to be tricked into sex.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

PRESIDENT OF THE OFFICIAL BRENDAN FRASER FAN CLUB





Alan Smithee posted:

Didnít Eddie Murphy have a whole bit in Raw about Cosby telling him to tone down his language and he basically told him to F off

Yeah and itís amazing. I still use a line from it: ďstop using that filth flarning filthĒ (along those lines) as Murphy does a great mocking impression of Cosby. ďYoooooouĒ.

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:



This is from a human sexuality class I took years ago but I was told Spanish fly was a substance from a beetle that caused blistering if rubbed on the skin so it was ingested with the belief that it would cause irritation in the genitals so blood would rush there and turn the person on.

The bit itself has Cosby talking about giving some to (this is purely from memory so I might have the name wrong) a woman called crazy Mary and then he makes exaggerated intoxication noises to describe how she acted.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010


Boywhiz88 posted:

ďDo the people like it? Does it make them laugh? Then you can tell Bill I said Ďhave a Coke, a smile, and shut the gently caress up!íĒ

Raw is problematic for its own reasons but drat if that isn't a great line

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!


Ghost Leviathan posted:

'Spanish fly' seems basically a euphemism for drugs that would later be called 'roofies'.

I mean it's not like sexual norms in the 70s... or 80s... or 90s... or 00s... were very good on that topic. A seemingly mainstream idea that boys raised in the 90s came away with was that women apparently had to be tricked into sex.

It probably went back and forth. I imagine it started as some sort of half understood folk remedy like oysters, then used as a euphamism/joke term for actual narcotics then back to made up bullshit as it entered common parlance. I remember a time in the mid-late 90s you would see packets of 'Spanish Fly' at convenience stores next to the Tiger Boner pills and in dispensers next to condoms in club bathrooms.

Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005
free av


https://twitter.com/CBCOlympics/status/1483905387980070916?s=20

deoju
Jul 11, 2004

All the pieces matter.


Nap Ghost

The dude who played Harry Potter in that play in London got fired for unspecified allegations from the woman who played Ginny. There was an internal investigation and they decided to can him.

https://www.vulture.com/2022/01/jam...1&utm_source=tw

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind




reply guying considered hazardous

UnknownMercenary
Oct 31, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD




Apparently Hugh Hefner recorded secret sex tapes of people visiting his mansion and used it as blackmail material. A documentary about it is supposed to air tonight.

https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1485636060612902916

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.


...is anyone meant to be surprised by this?

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009


Ghost Leviathan posted:

...is anyone meant to be surprised by this?

Yeah, I can't say I've ever heard the rumor directly but I guess it must have been floating around for awhile. I know it's a little :goonsay:, but Hitman: Blood Money had their Not Hugh Hefner doing it.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

A funny little mouse!


B-Rock452 posted:

This is from a human sexuality class I took years ago but I was told Spanish fly was a substance from a beetle that caused blistering if rubbed on the skin so it was ingested with the belief that it would cause irritation in the genitals so blood would rush there and turn the person on.

The bit itself has Cosby talking about giving some to (this is purely from memory so I might have the name wrong) a woman called crazy Mary and then he makes exaggerated intoxication noises to describe how she acted.


Yeah irl it was not the "intoxicating" sort of chemical. Was widely used for other pharmaceutical uses for its irritating and blister-causing properties. against varies aches, inflammations. there as a belief that blisters helped bring inflammation to the surface, and the increased bloodflow to skin helped with inflammation and muscle aches. And ofc the sexual applications.

Sadly in my country it is one of the most threatened insect species, known only in a few locales despite directed conservation efforts. But was common a century ago. Its decline has litte to do with harvesting, biggest factor is the change of the agricultural landscape. It thrives in landscapes with a more diverse mosaic of dry meadows, sand, bush hedges etc that has since become rarer in the modern agricultural landscape. Has affected solitary wild bees of those environments too which affects the beetle as their larva are bee-parasites.

But Eastern and southern europe have more viable populations still.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~




UnknownMercenary posted:

Apparently Hugh Hefner recorded secret sex tapes of people visiting his mansion and used it as blackmail material. A documentary about it is supposed to air tonight.

https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1485636060612902916

I'm curious about what he was using the blackmail for, but also kind of terrified of the answer.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002


Even before all this came out, Cosby sucked for blaming the oppression of black people on how black people dress and act.

He was already "it's your fault for how you were dressed."

Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005
free av


Space Cadet Omoly posted:

I'm curious about what he was using the blackmail for, but also kind of terrified of the answer.

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Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻





LividLiquid posted:

Even before all this came out, Cosby sucked for blaming the oppression of black people on how black people dress and act.

He was already "it's your fault for how you were dressed."

Turns out he was right about some oppression against black people coming from other black people. He just forgot to clarify it was him.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012



Space Cadet Omoly posted:

I'm curious about what he was using the blackmail for, but also kind of terrified of the answer.

It was alleged that he'd invite media members to parties at the mansion. With cameras and mics being installed in every room in the building, eventually one thing would lead to another somehow, and any attempts at bad publicity from their workplace would basically be dead in the water or else it'd be revealed what their employees (and in some cases bosses) got up to in the place they were criticizing

He had tapes of everyone obviously, not just media, and they were "collateral" but it wasn't expanded on much. In the event of his death his executive secretary was instructed to destroy all the sex tapes, and an assistant said she was told they were put in a barrel that was then tossed to sea

Here's all the stuff https://www.eonline.com/news/1317141/secrets-of-playboy-bombshells-sex-rings-kidnappings-and-fbi-investigations

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thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe



Chris James 2 posted:

It was alleged that he'd invite media members to parties at the mansion. With cameras and mics being installed in every room in the building, eventually one thing would lead to another somehow, and any attempts at bad publicity from their workplace would basically be dead in the water or else it'd be revealed what their employees (and in some cases bosses) got up to in the place they were criticizing

He had tapes of everyone obviously, not just media, and they were "collateral" but it wasn't expanded on much. In the event of his death his executive secretary was instructed to destroy all the sex tapes, and an assistant said she was told they were put in a barrel that was then tossed to sea

Here's all the stuff https://www.eonline.com/news/1317141/secrets-of-playboy-bombshells-sex-rings-kidnappings-and-fbi-investigations

...why would that be how they destroyed them? I mean, burning them would be easier, wouldn't it?

It doesn't matter, it's just a bizarre cherry on top.

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