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Martman
Nov 20, 2006

SEXY... defines my posts and my ride


pentyne posted:

The Chris Hardwick thing was gross but there was way more assumption and Twitter chat then any actual accusations. Also it was more of the gross Aziz stuff where he's being an horny insensitive rear end in a top hat but ~technically~ not being abusive.
But, the Aziz stuff was a single bad date. Wasn't this a relationship where she mentioned stuff about him being extremely controlling about stuff like eating etc.?

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Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005

Behold the power of the DIC
(Dairy Industrial Complex)


https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1529090959073587201?s=20&t=2bDqO02YQok9vlMJlyP_Qg

quote:

“Oh, women!” he starts. “Not all women, I mean the old-fashioned ones. The old-fashioned women, the ones with wombs. Those loving dinosaurs. I love the new women. They’re great, aren’t they? The new ones we’ve been seeing lately. The ones with beards and cocks. They’re as good as gold, I love them. And now the old-fashioned ones say, ‘Oh, they want to use our toilets.’ ‘Why shouldn’t they use your toilets?’ ‘For ladies!’ ‘They are ladies — look at their pronouns! What about this person isn’t a lady?’ ‘Well, his penis.’ ‘Her penis, you loving bigot!’ ‘What if he rapes me?’ ‘What if she rapes you, you loving TERF whore?'”
'

guess the cringe atheism well has dried up

moonmazed
Dec 27, 2021
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!


Martman posted:

But, the Aziz stuff was a single bad date.

i cordially invite you to go gently caress yourself

how is this poo poo not probe on sight in this thread

normal-ass vampire
Feb 14, 2011


NM, thought better of it

normal-ass vampire fucked around with this message at 01:36 on May 25, 2022

Segue
May 23, 2007


I remember reading that unlike in a lot of other countries, the UK never really got an established intersectional third wave feminism. As a result, a lot of their institutional powers established by the ardently white upper/middle-class feminism never really got questioned.

This is obviously an issue in dealing with really any modern women's issues, but leaves those established powers particularly prickly because they've never really questioned gender essentialism or their ossified mores from decades ago.

So trans issues are just so far beyond their understanding it just breaks them. Note this is still a thing for racial and class and sex work and other issues, trans issues just are an especially confrontational understanding that undermines their ancient understanding of the world.

Martman
Nov 20, 2006

SEXY... defines my posts and my ride


moonmazed posted:

i cordially invite you to go gently caress yourself

how is this poo poo not probe on sight in this thread
I'm saying they don't sound like similar situations at all. The accusations against Chris Hardwick involved a pattern of behavior over a long period of time that iirc included controlling her daily habits etc. I can see how my language could read as "Aziz's thing wasn't bad" but like, the accusations against Hardwick were both very different AND a lot worse.

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007



Just the laziest poo poo imaginable.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Segue posted:

I remember reading that unlike in a lot of other countries, the UK never really got an established intersectional third wave feminism. As a result, a lot of their institutional powers established by the ardently white upper/middle-class feminism never really got questioned.

This is obviously an issue in dealing with really any modern women's issues, but leaves those established powers particularly prickly because they've never really questioned gender essentialism or their ossified mores from decades ago.

So trans issues are just so far beyond their understanding it just breaks them. Note this is still a thing for racial and class and sex work and other issues, trans issues just are an especially confrontational understanding that undermines their ancient understanding of the world.

It's also worth noting that where opinions polls of the general public have been arranged, it turns out most people are generally supportive of trans rights. But oh boy our media and celebrity sphere are just vicious and filled with TERFs.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.



When he announced this special he said "[He wants] to get cancelled.". So he's basically being a teenage reddit poster but no one is paying attention to him because he's a pathetic washup no one cares about. He wants that Chapelle level controversy but the problem is that he was never as popular or well liked as Dave Chapelle. And certainly never as good a stand up comedian as Dave Chapelle.

People should just ignore him because the negative attention is exactly what he wants.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe



Nucleic Acids posted:

Just the laziest poo poo imaginable.

Yeah, that’s another thing on top of everything else. When I heard that he had a new special coming out, I knew it would have these exact types of jokes. It’s all that’s left for him. Some comedians can innovate as they age, but they are by far the exception. People like Ricky can only go this way.

Remember Gallagher? Wow, I remember Gallagher. Please don’t lookup Gallagher.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋



This is why comedians get attacked

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

CelticPredator posted:

This is why comedians get attacked

yOu CaN't SaY aNyHiNg AnYmOrE! eVeRyOnE iS sO tRigGeReD!

Every person who rants about how you're not allowed to say anything on a stage at a comedy show anymore is a person who has never been to a standup comedy show.

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl



Nucleic Acids posted:

Just the laziest poo poo imaginable.

It’s the same thing with chappelle, they can’t actually come up with new material worth a poo poo. They’re too old, too rich, too out of touch, so instead of trying to fix it they just start playing to the cheap seats, the easily pleased, the dumb assholes who start giggling at the thought of using a slur. When Chappelle did a set opening for mulaney last week he completely ate poo poo, by all accounts, because on top of being transphobic and edgy it was bad.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Segue posted:

I remember reading that unlike in a lot of other countries, the UK never really got an established intersectional third wave feminism. As a result, a lot of their institutional powers established by the ardently white upper/middle-class feminism never really got questioned.

This is obviously an issue in dealing with really any modern women's issues, but leaves those established powers particularly prickly because they've never really questioned gender essentialism or their ossified mores from decades ago.

So trans issues are just so far beyond their understanding it just breaks them. Note this is still a thing for racial and class and sex work and other issues, trans issues just are an especially confrontational understanding that undermines their ancient understanding of the world.

Surprise surprise, it also has to do with England's awful class system:

https://inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/secret-court-case-50-years-ago-robbed-transgender-people-rights-1291857

The story of Ewan Forbes shows how trans people were able to enjoy equality – until it was quietly removed to protect male rights of succession

quote:

A narrative has developed about the position of transgender people today that has become so widely accepted as to be assumed as fact: that it is only in the past few decades that trans people have begun to enjoy any rights; that trans women have always been more prominent than trans men; and most of all, that in recent years, trans people have been seeking to gain more rights than they’ve ever had before.

A new book, The Hidden Case of Ewan Forbes by Zoe Playdon, upends all of this. The Emeritus Professor of Medical Humanities at the University of London has unearthed a legal case that 50 years ago changed everything for trans people, but which has been kept secret at the highest levels ever since.

The purpose, it seems, of this blackout was to uphold the patriarchal structure underpinning the monarchy, aristocracy, and hereditary peerages – the right of inheritance by the firstborn son. Or, to use the formal term, male primogeniture. The effect was to remove the human rights of transgender people that had previously existed – and in silence.

Alongside a distinguished career in academia, Professor Playdon has been involved in human rights work for 30 years, during which she co-founded in 1994 the Parliamentary Forum on Gender Identity. Her manner is understated and learned, even as the scandalous tale unfolds. Books are piled up all around her.

She first suspected something important had been buried in 1996, while helping lawyers with a case about trans rights in the High Court of Justice, which failed, baffling everyone.

“I knew that there was something about primogeniture that was a stumbling block,” she tells me via video call. This sense was emboldened by an informant, the lawyer Terrence Walton, who had worked on a famous early case involving trans rights, who told her “‘there are some interests that it is more important to protect than the rights of individuals’. I thought, ‘we’re not going to actually get trans equality until the issue of primogeniture is dealt with.’”

Playdon hoped that after the Succession to the Crown Act in 2013, which removed male primogeniture from the monarchy, something would shift. But after the Act, several attempts to end the same among hereditary peers unexpectedly didn’t pass, and certain trans rights cases stalled. By then, Playdon had retired so was able to devote five years of digging to find out what happened, and why.

“I knew that in the past, trans people had corrected their birth certificates,” she says. “All the way through up to 1970, the path was: self-identify, get affirmative medical care, correct your birth certificate, and live equally. After 1970, that’s gone.”

The reason, she discovered, lay with the case of Ewan Forbes. “So I went through 500 pages of court transcripts, and reconstructed what had happened on those four days in court. I was really quite shocked.”

Ewan Forbes was born into a landed, aristocratic family in Aberdeenshire, in 1912. He was the youngest of three, with an older brother and sister. Ewan was assigned female at birth and named Elizabeth, but from the age of six, his parents became aware that the baby of the family was at odds with more than just his name. He was already living determinedly as a boy. They called him Benjie.

Due to the wealth and connections of Forbes’ supportive mother Lady Gwendolyn, at 15, he was taken to a range of specialists across Europe and given synthetic testosterone, which had only just become available. It prompted a male puberty (complete with spots and stubble) which supported the fact that throughout his young life he presented as and considered himself a boy.

In her book, Playdon reveals that in the 1930s, the media ran stories “predominantly about trans men”, and that “being trans was a mystery and trans women, who were considered far rarer than trans men, were especially mysterious”.

At the time, trans people could take hormones, have gender confirmation surgery, and then change their birth certificates. There were no panels of psychiatrists and endocrinologists, as we have today, deciding whether to grant you a gender recognition certificate, which since the 2004 Gender Recognition Act has provided certain legal protections. There was no need; you could simply change your birth certificate and therefore other necessary paperwork.

It was the case of Ewan Forbes that changed that. He became a GP, corrected his birth certificate, and married a woman. Having been accepted as a man, he never considered that it all might be threatened until his father, Lord Sempill, died, and then his elder brother, William, in 1965.

As the second son, Forbes would inherit both paternal titles: the barony and the baronetcy, which could only be passed down the male line. But a cousin called John “turns up at William’s funeral”, says Playdon, and tells him he’ll contest the succession in court “because you’re not a real man”.

What followed in 1968 was a trial in which Forbes fought for his male birth certificate to be judged legitimate. His defence had to contend with a recent and radical change in medical thinking. Up until the 1960s, doctors largely regarded trans people as intersex; that is, a physiological difference in which individuals have elements of both sexes.

This idea was then engulfed by a new American psychiatric ideology, “which classifies being trans as a mental illness,” says Playdon, “as floridly psychotic”. The only way for Forbes to bypass this legally would be to prove he had physical male traits.

If he lost, he faced jail, because if declared female his marriage would be deemed perjured. If the case were held in open court, the media would have exposed the most intimate parts of his life and anatomy.

Forbes requested that the trial be conducted privately. “John says, ‘All right, provided Ewan agrees to a private medical examination by my experts, and pays all my legal fees,’” says Playdon. Forbes agreed.

The experts’ conclusion was that “Ewan has female anatomy with some male characteristics,” says Playdon. Although the examiners didn’t know Forbes had been taking testosterone, this wasn’t enough. Forbes procured some testes tissue and passed it off as his own.

“He wins,” says Playdon. “But it causes a constitutional crisis. A trans man won a primogeniture baronetcy. It could be used as precedent, not just for trans people, but crucially for primogeniture. What if an older sister of the heir turns out to be trans? Or the person you’re sure is heir is trans and no longer eligible?”

So the case was covered up. “Everyone involved in the trial was sworn to secrecy, and the trial was removed from public life,” says Playdon. The Home Office did not respond to her request for details in 1996. She enlisted an MP to ask the Lord Advocate (the chief legal officer for the Scottish government and crown) for the files, who initially denied that a “judgement was ever issued” before adding that “it would not be appropriate for me to… disclose the details”.

Finally, it took a complaint to the then Home Secretary, Michael Howard, to begin to gain access to the legal documents in 1998.

But the effect on trans people had already been dramatic. In 1970, April Ashley, who had become the first well-known trans woman in Britain after being outed by a tabloid, was seven years into her marriage with the aristocrat Arthur Corbett. But it was failing. Rather than divorce her and give her money, Corbett attempted to have the marriage annulled, asserting that she was male.

This was despite Ashley having had lower surgery, and Corbett being fully aware before they married in Gibraltar. But she had not corrected her birth certificate.

The judge sided with the aristocrat and swore the lawyers to secrecy about the Forbes trial. During Ashley’s case, the judge “creates a sex test which dis-authenticates her,” says Playdon. Ashley was subjected to the most invasive genital examinations imaginable – twice – because after the expert clinicians concluded that she “had a perfectly usual vagina” the judge demanded they look again. After which, in defiance of their report, the judge declared her a “homosexual transvestite who’s mentally ill” and with a “supposed vagina”, says Playdon.

Ashley lost. It was this case that set the legal precedent, blocking legal rights for trans people, preventing the correction of birth certificates, while the opposing precedent was suppressed. It would be decades before any rights were reinstated.

Playdon’s book, which constitutes one of the most important pieces of investigative journalism ever written about trans people, has already been optioned for film adaptation. But she is particularly pleased by its timing amid a media moral panic and far-right backlash against trans people.

“Because it feels as though people need to know [about this],” she says. “Before we start getting too worked up, can we just remember that for decades and decades you just self-identified, got elective medical care, changed your birth certificate, and lived in equality?”

Instead, the fear and silence surrounding the Forbes case reversed progress, without anyone knowing why, which flourished into today’s ahistorical assumptions. “Things have become skewed further and further and further,” she says, “into a really very sinister place.”

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!


HopperUK posted:

It's also worth noting that where opinions polls of the general public have been arranged, it turns out most people are generally supportive of trans rights. But oh boy our media and celebrity sphere are just vicious and filled with TERFs.

I've never understood why people call the uk terf Island when America has States banning kids getting puberty blockers and has a company like Netflix paying millions for 'comedy' specials where trans people are the joke.


The uk isn't a 'good' place for trans people but it doesn't seem significantly worse than any other country. A lot of the main 'UK terfs' arnt even British.

Violen
Jul 25, 2009

ohoho~


love the trend of comedians who go off about how theyre gonna break down all comedy barriers and then immediately aim for either the most acceptable target du jour or whatever their pet hatred is to the exclusion of all other subject matter lol

Violen
Jul 25, 2009

ohoho~


between this and the increasingly popular woke bigotry shtick with people like maher it is incredibly annoying to exist at the moment

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007










Violen posted:

love the trend of comedians who go off about how theyre gonna break down all comedy barriers and then immediately aim for either the most acceptable target du jour or whatever their pet hatred is to the exclusion of all other subject matter lol
He loves it. He gets to do stand up about breaking down barriers and deliberately trying to get "cancelled" while being celebrated by newspapers for going after targets that they regularly give a kicking.

If that fat geriatric oval office truly wanted to get cancelled then this special would be an anti-monarchist one that repeatedly attacks Lizzy, and it would land beautifully just before her next bank holiday celebration. Instead he just went after trans people and then plagiarised some old observations from atheism.

Hes a hack and a joke thief, and thats the two worst things you can say about any comic.

MeinPanzer
Dec 19, 2004
anyone who reads Cinema Discusso for anything more than slackjawed trolling will see the shittiness in my posts

Mega Comrade posted:

I've never understood why people call the uk terf Island when America has States banning kids getting puberty blockers and has a company like Netflix paying millions for 'comedy' specials where trans people are the joke.


The uk isn't a 'good' place for trans people but it doesn't seem significantly worse than any other country. A lot of the main 'UK terfs' arnt even British.

The reason why UK TERFism attracts so much attention on forums such as this is because of its prevalence among otherwise fairly progressive liberal types. In the US most liberals are neutral or positive towards trans rights issues; in the UK many prominent liberals hold fairly standard progressive attitudes toward social issues, with the singular, burning exception of trans issues.

This leads to people arguing passionately in one moment for, e.g., gay marriage, and then turning around and declaring trans men to be a symptom of a grand conspiracy to eradicate lesbians by convincing them they're actually men.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!


OK that makes more sense thanks.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻





If he really wanted to be cancelled, he'd do some type of a set about how Elizabeth the 2nd is a secret prostitute or something like that. But he'd be way too scared to do that.

toggle
Nov 7, 2005



I don’t think you understand the sacrifice these comics make every night while on stage. The time spent crafting and refining a bit about unisex toilets is literally some of the hardest work you could ever imagine.

Comics were the only real essential workers throughout all of the lockdowns, and without them the world would have struggled to function. Just imagine the pressure of staying ahead of the cancel cultures while still making sure free speech remains free!

They’re literally paying the ultimate price for all of us - every night - while on stage.

pls thank them for their service

MeinPanzer
Dec 19, 2004
anyone who reads Cinema Discusso for anything more than slackjawed trolling will see the shittiness in my posts

Mega Comrade posted:

OK that makes more sense thanks.

The fervent response to trans issues is born of a collision between second-wave feiminist self-righteousness and the condemnation of essentialist gender narratives.

Basically, imagine if upper-middle to upper-class boomer and gen X white women were the only people who had any real influence in terms of gender politics. Now imagine that suddenly they've been told that their personal struggles are not the alpha and the omega of oppression, intersectionality is a thing, gender is in fact a complex and multifaceted social phenomenon, and their views on some issues are now outmoded at best and reactionary at worst. Those are the conditions that led to TERFism becoming such a prevalent narrative among many UK liberals.

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006



I really hate every time I see one of those “Ricky gervais DESTROYS Hollywood elites at the golden globes” clips. He got invited back.

Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005

Behold the power of the DIC
(Dairy Industrial Complex)


massive spider posted:

I really hate every time I see one of those “Ricky gervais DESTROYS Hollywood elites at the golden globes” clips. He got invited back.

*wags finger*

"you lot are all SHAGGING each other!"

boom roasted

weekly font
Dec 1, 2004


Everytime I try to fly I fall
Without my wings
I feel so small
Guess I need you baby...





massive spider posted:

I really hate every time I see one of those “Ricky gervais DESTROYS Hollywood elites at the golden globes” clips. He got invited back.

FIVE TIMES

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010



MeinPanzer posted:

The reason why UK TERFism attracts so much attention on forums such as this is because of its prevalence among otherwise fairly progressive liberal types. In the US most liberals are neutral or positive towards trans rights issues; in the UK many prominent liberals hold fairly standard progressive attitudes toward social issues, with the singular, burning exception of trans issues.

This leads to people arguing passionately in one moment for, e.g., gay marriage, and then turning around and declaring trans men to be a symptom of a grand conspiracy to eradicate lesbians by convincing them they're actually men.

Additionally, it can barely be overstated just how prevalent it is in UK media. IIRC in 2021 there was on average more than one anti-trans article in major publications per day, even from ostensibly more progressive publishers like the Guardian or BBC. While it's a relatively small movement, they've got an outsized medial reach.

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?


thrawn527 posted:

Yeah, that’s another thing on top of everything else. When I heard that he had a new special coming out, I knew it would have these exact types of jokes. It’s all that’s left for him. Some comedians can innovate as they age, but they are by far the exception. People like Ricky can only go this way.


Part of the problem is that these guys have a pretty ardent fan base who will laugh at anything they say just because it's Dave Chappelle or Ricky Gervais saying it. I watched a little of Dave's last special, and I kept wondering where the jokes were. He's just doing some wise sage bullshit, and that's supposed to be funny.

So here's the thing - when you don't have to earn your laughs anymore, you don't get feedback when you do lazy and cheap material. So you don't learn "hey, this new poo poo doesn't work, I better adapt" and instead you just produce works that are variations on The Joke.

A good comedian would look at the Trans-panic and see how upset and concerned people get about theoretical dangers that don't actually happen or are super rare and instead ignore or outright fight actions to stop the dangers that happen everyday.

Bad comedians just make The Joke and think they're clever

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001

The four most over-rated things in life are champagne, lobster, anal sex and picnics. Oh, and that stupid children's book 'The Little Prince,' ugh.
:krad:


Yams Fan

CPL593H posted:

When he announced this special he said "[He wants] to get cancelled.". So he's basically being a teenage reddit poster but no one is paying attention to him because he's a pathetic washup no one cares about. He wants that Chapelle level controversy but the problem is that he was never as popular or well liked as Dave Chapelle. And certainly never as good a stand up comedian as Dave Chapelle.

People should just ignore him because the negative attention is exactly what he wants.

He's also not a standup, he's a comic actor.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011






https://twitter.com/cowboyacaster/status/1386980286211166215

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

I just couldn't look at your old avatar anymore
Fucking nauseating!



Wow, someone actually using the trans subject to create comedy and succeed at it, how incredible that this one single person seems to be the only human on the planet capable of going "huh, trans people, well there's definitely some humor to be mined here" and not just yelling slurs for 10 minutes.

So, Ricky Gervais has been doing this for years? Netflix really is catering to the 'anti-woke' comedians all in the sake of making it their brand.

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007






Netflix telling its employees to just quit if they don't like making poo poo content really tells you everything you need to know.

moonmazed posted:

i cordially invite you to go gently caress yourself

how is this poo poo not probe on sight in this thread

Please report posts, I try not to read this thread daily for reasons and tbh I don't think Roth tracks this thread for her own reasons.

Martman posted:

I'm saying they don't sound like similar situations at all. The accusations against Chris Hardwick involved a pattern of behavior over a long period of time that iirc included controlling her daily habits etc. I can see how my language could read as "Aziz's thing wasn't bad" but like, the accusations against Hardwick were both very different AND a lot worse.

Please be a little more careful with the wording. A lot of people dismissed the woman's incident as "one bad date" and that she should get over it. It was an extremely gross reaction to her story given the details of her account and the larger issue of consent and social power dynamics.

I do agree it's different than the Chris Hardwick accusations which did involve ongoing emotional abuse and sexual abuse (I can't remember if there was physical abuse claims as well tbh).

However these all stem from the same issue.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

I think my mass effect is broken


pentyne posted:

Wow, someone actually using the trans subject to create comedy and succeed at it, how incredible that this one single person seems to be the only human on the planet capable of going "huh, trans people, well there's definitely some humor to be mined here" and not just yelling slurs for 10 minutes.

So, Ricky Gervais has been doing this for years? Netflix really is catering to the 'anti-woke' comedians all in the sake of making it their brand.

Ricky Gervais has absolutely has prior form on this kind of poo poo. When Thomas Beattie was in the news for being "the pregnant man," like, 10 years ago Gervais was on that radio show he did with Stephen Merchant, having a big rant about how Beattie isn't a "man," and how that news was bullshit. As if it's your loving decision to make, you loving hack.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~





Oh poo poo, someone speaking truth to power in a way that's funny and insightful. I guess it can be done if you're not a lazy bigot. Full props to this dude, I should check out more of his work.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006


The best Taskmaster contestants are the ones who tell off Ricky Gervais.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe



Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Oh poo poo, someone speaking truth to power in a way that's funny and insightful. I guess it can be done if you're not a lazy bigot. Full props to this dude, I should check out more of his work.

Check his appearances on QI, and his own The Mash Report. Or, for that matter, his own standup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdh7UO-SHvk

He's fantastic.

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001




https://twitter.com/doublehelix/status/1429900056187052037?t=SJJfo85scO1dg4qzzHYxVA&s=19

What a loving child.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010



Kate Moss just testified in the Heard-Depp trial.

She was called as a witness by Depp’s team. She said the story that Depp pushed her down the stairs in the 1990s, which was reported in the press, is false. She slipped. In fact, Depp carried her up the stairs back to her room and got her medical help. She said Depp had never been abusive to her. Heard’s team previously cited this story and today declined to cross-examine Moss.

There’s also been some testimony by “industry experts” from both sides about how big a star Heard really is — which would affect her claim to have lost work due to Depp’s claims.

I thought Moss’s account about the alleged assault was directly relevant to the thread, but I hope people look at this in the broader context. There are still a slew of accusations about which there isn’t much clarity. Facts and claims
will continue to tumble out. There’s no need to be a cheerleader.

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!



thrawn527 posted:

Check his appearances on QI, and his own The Mash Report. Or, for that matter, his own standup.

He's also a pretty frequent guest host on The Bugle.

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pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

I just couldn't look at your old avatar anymore
Fucking nauseating!


Vegetable posted:

Kate Moss just testified in the Heard-Depp trial.

She was called as a witness by Depp’s team. She said the story that Depp pushed her down the stairs in the 1990s, which was reported in the press, is false. She slipped. In fact, Depp carried her up the stairs back to her room and got her medical help. She said Depp had never been abusive to her. Heard’s team previously cited this story and today declined to cross-examine Moss.

There’s also been some testimony by “industry experts” from both sides about how big a star Heard really is — which would affect her claim to have lost work due to Depp’s claims.

I thought Moss’s account about the alleged assault was directly relevant to the thread, but I hope people look at this in the broader context. There are still a slew of accusations about which there isn’t much clarity. Facts and claims
will continue to tumble out. There’s no need to be a cheerleader.

This seems really bizarre, so Heard's lawyers were basically bringing up some tabloid rumors from the 90s? Shouldn't some part of this process included discovery where Moss was deposed and Heard's team would know she's going to refute that story? I thought the whole point of a trial is each side has to provide what they're going to present to the other side including witness lists. Granted this is from My Cousin Vinny but has been reinforced by every YT legal "this is why this is wrong" video I've ever seen.

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