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This isn't limited to the Depp/Heard trial, but there is a significant... uhh... subset, of the populace of this country for whom "FREE SPEECH!" is of paramount importance, and who simultaneously support the idea of suing people for saying things they don't like. And also this same subset of people is now crowing things like "And thus endeth #MeToo  "
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emo-ignorance posted:I don't understand the logistics of finding them both liable. So Heard was being defamatory when she called Depp abusive, but Depp was also defamatory when he said it was a hoax? The 2 mil was probably a compromise to get 1~ jury holdout on board with the main ruling.
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emo-ignorance posted:I don't understand the logistics of finding them both liable. So Heard was being defamatory when she called Depp abusive, but Depp was also defamatory when he said it was a hoax? Depp's lawyer was found to have made a defamatory statement in response to the original defamation. MrMojok posted:This isn't limited to the Depp/Heard trial, but there is a significant... uhh... subset, of the populace of this country for whom "FREE SPEECH!" is of paramount importance, and who simultaneously support the idea of suing people for saying things they don't like. People have been declaring #metoo dead for a while, but this will definitely chill it. I think most serial abusers/groomers still have a lot to worry about. Lethemonster posted:I dont think he has saved his career when everyone loving hated working with him by that point and he is about to go to court again for punching a man on set. That kind of poo poo happens with male megastars all the time though. Russell Crowe was well-known for attacking people and being aggro generally. Defeat for Depp would be a Mel Gibson situation. Depp's been getting booked for movies throughout.
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Jun 1, 2022 22:06
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Depp's lawyer was found to have made a defamatory statement in response to the original defamation. Right, but defamation needs to be false, so how are both "He abused me" and "She's lying" defamatory? Dumb jury
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Jun 1, 2022 22:09
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pospysyl posted:Juries are dumb, OP I honestly will never understand why jury trials are still a thing. Hell as a European the whole common law system baffles me. Just have a non politically appointed judge look at a book of laws he has no influence over and have him decide if the defendant broke a rule or not with the lawyers on either side to give arguments in favor or against. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Jun 1, 2022 22:15
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emo-ignorance posted:Right, but defamation needs to be false, so how are both "He abused me" and "She's lying" defamatory? Dumb jury Because they’re being told to make a decision based on specific statements and how truthful or accurate they believe they were about those very specific circumstances being discussed, not an overall “which one of these people is the biggest shitbag in the relationship” position.
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Jun 1, 2022 22:17
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Evan Rachel Wood is already receiving harassment from Depp fans saying she's next
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emo-ignorance posted:Right, but defamation needs to be false, so how are both "He abused me" and "She's lying" defamatory? Dumb jury Because she was caught openly and brazenly lying multiple times during her cross examinations. Whether the abuse was true or not that is the goal of the lawyer to make her credibility go out the window, and she looked ridiculously unbelievable up there lying about edited photos
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Jun 1, 2022 22:36
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I think the idea that you can write an article about abuse and then get sued by the abuser is very bad, no good. I don't particularly care about this trial either way, but when the GOP is trumpeting his "win" I think I know which side was probably wronged here.
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Jun 1, 2022 23:09
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I think assumptions like that shows just how deeply culture war has permeated everything. Republicans don’t care about Amber Heard they care that me too “lost” or whatever the gently caress goes on in their dumb minds. Do you really think Republicans care about an actor who moved to France and has never had a nice thing to say about their party? Or are they just bad faith actors latching on to anything to score points? They’re a spiteful bunch of gremlins.
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Jun 1, 2022 23:22
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AceOfFlames posted:I honestly will never understand why jury trials are still a thing. Our judges are also all morons
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Jun 1, 2022 23:25
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AceOfFlames posted:I honestly will never understand why jury trials are still a thing. If you think juries are bad you haven't seen the judges
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Jun 1, 2022 23:27
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weekly font posted:I think assumptions like that shows just how deeply culture war has permeated everything. Republicans don’t care about Amber Heard they care that me too “lost” or whatever the gently caress goes on in their dumb minds.
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Jun 1, 2022 23:30
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graventy posted:I think the idea that you can write an article about abuse and then get sued by the abuser is very bad, no good. In the USA at least, if you sue for defamation, it is really hard to win those types of cases. IIRC, you basically have to prove the other person actively knew they were lying when they made a statement, which is really hard to to do And since Heard was caught on the stand lying about photos, well
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Jun 1, 2022 23:33
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Yeah that make up thing was weird as poo poo and seemed pretty trivial but landed like a nuke on social media to discredit her. A lot of it seems like both had huge egos at play and never considered the slightest chance they would ever get caught out for their bullshit.
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I don’t see Depp’s career actually making a comeback from this. I can see him doing a couple higher profile things before the producers go “oh wait, this guy’s still a drunken mess who doesn’t know his lines.” I’m sure he’ll still get work, but not anything all that big. Maybe Mordecai 2.
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AceOfFlames posted:I honestly will never understand why jury trials are still a thing. Who would appoint the non politically appointed judges?
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wizardofloneliness posted:I don’t see Depp’s career actually making a comeback from this. I can see him doing a couple higher profile things before the producers go “oh wait, this guy’s still a drunken mess who doesn’t know his lines.” I’m sure he’ll still get work, but not anything all that big. Maybe Mordecai 2. Yup. His career was already in the skids before this. Biggest parts he lost as a direct result of the accusations were Grindelwald and Jack Sparrow. The former won't likely get another movie greenlit and Disney will definitely not ask him to come back for the latter. Him and Jared Leto can duke it out for gimmicky obnoxious parts in lame movies. Hell, maybe Depp can play the villain of Morbius 2: It's Morbin Time. YOLOsubmarine posted:Who would appoint the non politically appointed judges? Fair point.
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Jun 1, 2022 23:45
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Well, this is depressing as poo poo.
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Congratulations to Johnny Depp. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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graventy posted:I think the idea that you can write an article about abuse and then get sued by the abuser is very bad, no good. The article pretty much pointed to Depp. He defended himself. There's nothing weird about that at all. Also, evidence suggests that she, not him, is the abuser. So maybe slow your roll with the label gun.
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This thread is about to get loving horrible. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Snowman_McK posted:This thread is about to get loving horrible.
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“I spoke up against sexual violence—and faced our culture’s wrath.” “I became a public figure representing domestic abuse.” That's all she said. Can't identify as a victim of abuse without being accused of defamation anymore. Snowman_McK posted:This thread is about to get loving horrible. also, yeah. I'm checking out, not worth my sanity!
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Jun 2, 2022 01:47
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To think, a simple clarification that it wasn't Depp she referred to could have prevented this whole misunderstanding. But yes. Go do some self-care. I'm sure it's tiring.
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Metis of the Hallways posted:“I spoke up against sexual violence—and faced our culture’s wrath.” She specified a time frame following a high profile divorce. The jury seemed to think it was pretty obvious who she was referring to. Probably didn’t help she outright says during her cross examination “that’s why I wrote it about him.”
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Snowman_McK posted:This thread is about to get loving horrible. except there's a chance it might stop talking about it
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Snowman_McK posted:This thread is about to get loving horrible.
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phasmid posted:To think, a simple clarification that it wasn't Depp she referred to could have prevented this whole misunderstanding. But yes. Go do some self-care. I'm sure it's tiring. gently caress off you misogynist freak (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I’ve been on the receiving end of false allegations of DV and even I think this is hosed up.
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moonmazed posted:gently caress off you misogynist freak
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It was terrible the moment people started posting about it when they never watched it. Just like any Cined thread.
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phasmid posted:Right on schedule.  people are mad about the poo poo i said specifically to make them mad
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If it works, stick with it (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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weekly font posted:She specified a time frame following a high profile divorce. The jury seemed to think it was pretty obvious who she was referring to. Probably didn’t help she outright says during her cross examination “that’s why I wrote it about him.” I kind of wonder if that ended up hurting her case too. Not naming him might have made it seem to the jury like Hollywood sniping and rear end covering, as opposed to a heartfelt statement.
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weekly font posted:It was terrible the moment people started posting about it when they never watched it. Just like any Cined thread. yeah just like all those assholes who didn’t watch weeks of a murder trial who thought OJ getting off was a sham No one should ever comment on a legal proceeding that they have not consumed vicariously for weeks at a time ever again, there are simply no other ways to have a perfectly informed opinion
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Glad we agree
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History Comes Inside! posted:Because they’re being told to make a decision based on specific statements and how truthful or accurate they believe they were about those very specific circumstances being discussed, not an overall “which one of these people is the biggest shitbag in the relationship” position. I mean, that was exactly what Depp's strategy was. He never made any attempt to prove she lied about saying she was the victim of domestic abuse, he just made sure the jury knew she was also a weird hollywood piece of poo poo and relied on the jury going 'well I assume she lied there too then', that and almost certainly had a massive media time posting epic memes about his lawyer crushing that stupid bitch who looked to the side once or whatever those buckets of weird freaks on youtube kept talking about.
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like, a serious attempt to prove defamation wouldn't include a full day's worth of "SHE POOPED THE BED" focused arguments and a vaping doorman going 'uh yea I think she screamed at him sometimes' but Depp's team knew what the jury would never forget
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Nish Kumar owns.
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