Sexual Assault and the Culture of Hollywood

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exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

I really hope it's not Mario Batali in 2017, this most iconoclastic of years.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2017 10:59

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 14:56

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

1. Guy Fieri is not a chef.
2. Everyone would be relieved that it was Guy Fieri eating poo poo and not someone they actually respected.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2017 11:09

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DO0kxKMHIA

# ¿ Dec 11, 2017 15:04

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Fart City posted:

Yeah, I mean, I'm not expecting that finished Kevin Spacey Gore Vidal flick to come out... uh... probably ever. And Louis C.K.'s I Love You, Daddy is probably going to end up in the moon vault they locked Rita Repulsa in.

That movie seemed pretty tone deaf to begin with but it's crazy how tasteless it seems now.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2017 21:33

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Max Landis' horrendous analysis of Carly Rae Jepsen's EMOTION is already worthy of capital punishment imho.

# ¿ Dec 23, 2017 10:38

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

aware of dog posted:

https://twitter.com/ap/status/949362705495920643

Kinda shocked that the guy who wrote a movie where the bad cop sexually assaults a black woman, but it's okay because his dad's sick would ever be accused of such things.

# ¿ Jan 6, 2018 12:57

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Louis CK really hurt because I thought his comedy was great at probing around the inner morality of people, but all of that obviously goes out the window when you yourself indulge in the same heinous thoughts your id dreams up.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2018 20:20

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Halloween Jack posted:

I feel like Woody Allen being a pedo creep has been an open secret for so long that people are numb to it; paradoxically, to the point that they'll deny it.

Everybody in a position to make waves is probably just hoping he finally dies so that they can post their very brave thinkpieces about how they always knew and how concerned they are about this issue.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2018 16:09

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Bamboozled really was ahead of its time.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2018 17:17

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

That Ansari was apparently unfazed by (probably) yet another woman being totally unenthused with his no-game advances really says it all.

# ¿ Jan 14, 2018 16:37

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

What Ansari did may or may not fall under some legal definition of sexual assault but it most certainly falls under the banner of loving pathetic behavior from someone who should know better, who publicly asserts to know better by his association with #Metoo and Time's Up campaigns, and nobody buys these wormy "sry misread the signs" excuses anymore.

# ¿ Jan 15, 2018 17:13

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Aziz looks like more of a coke fiend to me tbqh.

# ¿ Jan 16, 2018 01:57

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

You should already hate Dan Schneider because he's a rich rear end in a top hat who worships the god of Mammon, what other reason do you need.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2018 19:15

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

21 Muns posted:

Really helping your case here.

What case.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2018 19:22

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

bobkatt013 posted:

Don�t forget the recordings of his calls to his daughter

That one's just funny.

# ¿ Jan 29, 2018 01:42

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

God Hole posted:

I can understand the conviction to refrain from taking part in or engaging with the art of horrible people, but I for one find it fascinating.

If you can't bring yourself to watch Louis CK's stand-up or television within the past 15 years, you're missing out on an incredible case study of a man openly attempting to reconcile his crippling shame and toxic masculinity for laughs in front of an audience of millions.

Woody Allen's films, Crimes and Misdemeanors and Match Point in particular, are intricate insights on this man's own self-reflection on how one processes totally getting away with committing horrible atrocities for the sake of personal gain.

While "separate the work from the artist" is a comforting thought and I totally understand why people say that, it's uneasier but perhaps more truthful to admit that we don't get to pick and choose what elements of a person inform the works they create, it all arrives in one discrete package. And it's more uncomfortable still to consider that the output of someone like Louis CK is unique and noteworthy BECAUSE of their personal failings as people, rather than in spite of it. Like, it would be clean and convenient to believe that Polanski's pedophilia never once influenced any aspect of his filmmaking, or that it only informed the aspects we didn't like, but it would also be extraordinarily naive to think that. I don't really have a good answer for this other than to say that art entangles the whole effort of the individual, both the noble and the hosed up, and you can't just isolate them whenever it's helpful to preserve your own sense of morality

# ¿ Feb 8, 2018 15:41

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

I'm sure that there is a non-zero number of credited foleys and second unit grips who are rapists and pedophiles out there too, but in our current conventions for filmmaking we recognize certain individuals as more responsible for serving as the moral reflection of the project, for better or for worse.

# ¿ Feb 8, 2018 17:02

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

esperterra posted:

The MPAA originally gave But I'm a Cheerleader an NC-17 rating which LOL

Haha wow.

# ¿ Feb 9, 2018 01:55

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Apologies are better than nothing IMHO but they have a shelf life of about 30 seconds before people start becoming weirdly reverent Apology Analysts critiquing just how thoughtful and Oscar-worthy the apology was until we forget the original transgression that provoked the need for one. Make the apology if you need to, then move out da gently caress out the way.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2018 12:36

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

"People will stop making movies with sex in them anymore for fear of being persecuted" lmao do all these guys read from the same script?

# ¿ Feb 13, 2018 17:11

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Antisamitism posted:

Further down the comments, folks seemed to land on Sean Astin as the (!!!alleged!!!) culprit.

For someone like Hanks, CDAN would more likely use a term like "permanent A-list," where his name recognition and iconic roles outweigh his current box office draw. (Plus, Sully and Inferno each made $200+ billion in 2016. The Tom Hanks business is still doing alright.)

Man if it is Sean Astin I'll be pissed. The last scene of Rudy is the only thing, and I mean literally the only thing, that can get me to cry on demand and I don't even watch football. If it turns out they're carrying a sex pest off the field after all these years then there will be nothing left.

# ¿ Mar 12, 2018 20:37

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

esperterra posted:

The subject at hand is an idiot whining about whether or not Alicia Vikander looks like Lara Croft, it just so happens the size of her tits is the main sticking point for most people about what does and does not look like Lara Croft. My two cents is:

Does Alicia Vikander look like either game version of Lara Croft? No.

Does it matter? No.

I'm incredibly self aware about what I said and why I said it.

She looks like a pretty dead-on representation of nu-Lara Croft from TR2013 onwards to me.

Also her rear delts make me feel really inadequate as a human.

# ¿ Mar 15, 2018 10:29

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

The older Tomb Raider games definitely marketed themselves on sex appeal. Believe it or not those pointy triangular boobs were provocative back in the day and Eidos certainly played into Lara's image to move units, even if they gradually toned it down over the years. That isn't to say TR2013 doesn't have its own share of problems in the kind of torture porny way Lara is introduced. It's that whole Whedonesque angle of taking some waifish girl in peril, mercilessly beating her down for an hour, then saying it's feminist as long as she comes out of it beating up the bad guy. Fortunately TR2013 doesn't totally veer in that direction and becomes more of an action romp by the end, but I'm curious what kind of framework this new movie is going to lead with.

# ¿ Mar 15, 2018 13:53

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Wow. Yikes.

# ¿ Mar 16, 2018 21:05

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Magic Hate Ball posted:

He's always been an edgy iconoclast with a grueling cynical streak so this seems par for the course.

Nah his opinions just loving suck.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2018 00:31

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

I think it's definitely true that you can't separate the work from its creator, but I also don't think it's helpful to adopt some deterministic "oh well I guess that's just the way it's gotta be" outlook on Gilliam or any other filmmaker that shows their asses, at least not while they're still alive. You can be an agitator and an iconoclast without you know, thinking women should just give it up to Harvey Weinstein because they were cast in a movie. What Gilliam is saying isn't even ideological, it's just loving heinous and wrong.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2018 10:29

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

What I mean is that Gilliam's statements are not in any way ideologically consistent with "tilting at oppressive institutions" or w/e, they're just wrong.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2018 10:54

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Just another idealistic visionary, tragically blinded by his own principles..

# ¿ Mar 18, 2018 10:02

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

I don�t think a single person itt has suggested boycotting Gilliam or w/e.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2018 13:03

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

If you never pay money to see another Gilliam film forever then that�s fine sure, everybody has their own little ethical choices and in some microscopic way I suppose it influences public perception of a product. But ultimately none of those personal decisions will be more impactful or effective than systemic change within the industry where Gilliam�s views are eventually no longer tolerated. You can live those values in your own life, but that only gets you so far, and reduces the issue down to consumption of a product rather than the broader issue that shields men like Gilliam from criticism.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2018 13:22

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

I think you've uh, totally misunderstood what I've said.

# ¿ Mar 21, 2018 00:28

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

McSpanky posted:

If you think that was misunderstanding then tell me how you didn't come off as saying that ethical choices only matter if they're legitimized by the public at large, there's no point internally considering right from wrong since it's all a popularity contest.

If you read my other posts in this thread you'll see that I don't believe in separating the art from the artist, and I don't believe there's no point to "internally considering right from wrong." What I'm saying is that personal ethical choices like these are ultimately ineffective and insufficient compared to widespread systemic change, because whatever effects they have upon the industry are nebulous, arbitrary, and place the burden of responsibility upon the endpoint consumer rather than the offender. You take a group of people and they'll all have varying stances on the cases of Polanski, Allen, Weinstein and so on, but these differences of opinion are meaningless if the industry continues to categorically shield and protect male transgressors from professional harm. You or me boycotting Polanski for decades has done absolutely nothing to damage his long-lived, critically praised, and wholly undeserved career.

# ¿ Mar 21, 2018 07:56

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

This means some horrible story is going to come out in t-minus 48 hours isn't it.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2018 00:31

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

i am the bird posted:

Where did all the laughs go?

I wasted them all on IS THAT MY DAUGHTER IN THERE?!?!

# ¿ Mar 27, 2018 22:59

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

The PWR BTTM stuff has been out for almost a year now and it basically killed that band dead in the water.

# ¿ Mar 30, 2018 18:08

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Yahtzee's greatest crime is being really unfunny at everything he does, the most serious offense of all.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2018 14:33

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

I think that's what got him arrested, OP.

# ¿ May 25, 2018 14:26

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

What I'm getting from this is that all Meryl Streep needs to do to win another Academy Award is gently caress a horse in her next role.

# ¿ Jun 8, 2018 12:50

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

In all honesty who hasn't had sexual intercourse with a plant at least one point in their lives.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2018 13:01

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 14:56

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Separate the art from the artist by way of guillotine imho.

# ¿ Oct 2, 2018 14:19

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