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davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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The problem is just so enormous, time will tell if anything happens. Let's be real: not only did everyone in movies and tv know this sort of thing happens all the time, we all knew. Not specifics, like Weinstein outright raping Rose McGowan, but still. The concept of the casting couch is as old as the entertainment industry. Yet somehow, as society grudgingly started accomodating women's rights, we seem to have let Hollywood get away with it. Is it just because the entertainment industry is incestuous and we like to think they're all a bunch of sex fiends? I'm honestly wondering here.

And: what would be a good way to start exorcising this poo poo? The crash/burn of Weinstein and Spacey won't scare off the other predators forever. I'm thinking like studios mandating that one-on-one casting sessions are no longer allowed, though the Hoffman story showed that's not foolproof either.

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davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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CelticPredator posted:

Putin will protect him.

Flaadimir Poootin.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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https://twitter.com/portiaderossi/status/928393978080358404

Not surprising at all, but again: sad as hell to realize we more or less knew all this and just accepted it as saucy gossip.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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The other day there was a vile Twitter thread about some photos of 13-year old Millie Bobby Brown dressed up for a premiere. I can't imagine what it does to you to go online and come across poo poo like that about yourself.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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His point doesn't seem unfair. He says they should put the psychological work in to fix themselves and sincerely seek forgiveness for what they did. It's just that bringing that up right now is not only a really poor choice, but also smacks of asking to continue the old way of forgiving talented people their horrible crimes because they're talented.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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That bit where he talks about his wife calming him down, oof. Gets you right here.

I wonder about accountability and holding up standards of behavior a lot lately, because it's now exploding in the entertainment industry and a lot of other fields of work, while in politics it seems like people are actually being protected from accountability more and more.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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One of the few good things to come out of the popularity of social media is that people can now get their own story out before attempts to mute and smear them take effect.

I'm hugely disappointed by Tambor. It'd be nice if one of these fucks took actual responsibility for their misconduct and apologized, let alone come forward before they're accused. Though I get that it's legally unwise to do so.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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That part of the article made me straight up sick.

edit: aaand Weinstein's put out a statement that says he "doesn't remember it happening like that" so yeah, it happened like that.

davidspackage fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Dec 14, 2017

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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lelandjs posted:

I don't think he understands what #metoo is

I think it's... I can't say admirable, but at least he's owning up to his bad behavior. There's some vaguely defensive stuff about his upbringing, but mostly he's laying out the bad poo poo he did.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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That's the crazy thing. Before everything about Weinstein came out, I would've thought Crews was nuts and probably being ousted because "he was a nightmare to work with."

Now there's nothing he's saying I'm not willing to consider is the real deal.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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I'm saddened by any male celeb I like and respect going #notallmen. drat it, Matt Damon.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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I HAVE GOUT posted:

Why? Is his claim untrue?

Yeah, actually all men are rapists, all of them.

Of course not, but it's the kind of Not Getting The Point that keeps a need for women and men to go public with their stories, rather than being able to go to a superior and trusting that their situation will be handled.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

About editing out TJ Miller in Dp2 just get really bad lookalikes with really bad wigs and everytime it's his characters turn to speak he gets punched or interrupted.

Hahaha, this idea, I love.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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Nucleic Acids posted:

Le Monde put up that statement signed by 100 women from across entertainment, legal, and academic circles in France, and the translated portions read like flat out misrepresentations of #MeToo (and it's corresponding French equivalent) and what's grown out of the Weinstein scandal.

There's still an awful lot of people who flat out don't get that this is about making women and men be heard about their abuse rather than stay silent in shame and especially fear of their (powerful) abusers. It drives me nuts when they try to make slippery slope arguments about how, soon, you can't tell a woman she's pretty anymore.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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I don't think it's so much that Ansari's well liked, I think it's that it's a far more ambiguous situation going by the given story, and it's bringing all the "witch hunt/slipper slope!" folks out in confidence.

I know I'm having a lot of difficult formulating an opinion on this story. Every time I try to put down something coherent, I find myself using a lovely term like "mixed signals" and delete the whole thing.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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21 Muns posted:

Maybe you're just struggling with the realization that you're a lovely person?

Fine, I'll put down my thoughts and you be the judge.

Ansari acted like a piece of poo poo to this woman. I hope he read the article and draws some conclusions about how dating life isn't his personal porn flick.

She acted naively. She seemed to think the night was going to turn into something more positive if she stuck around. It was repeatedly made clear that wasn't happening, because he didn't respect her boundaries.

Edit: you might ask why establish her responsibility at all when he was the one being an rear end in a top hat. I think you can draw two lessons from this account. Men, establish consent and stop trying to wear down women. They're not playing hard to get. They just don't want it. And women, when a guy repeatedly shows you he's a disrespectful prick, stop expecting that's just going to change, and loving leave.

davidspackage fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Jan 17, 2018

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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Ugh.

https://twitter.com/velocciraptor/status/953749672526360576

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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Al Borland Corp. posted:

Sounds like he forgot the difference between real life and the comments section of r/watchitfortheplot

It's loving inconceivable to me that someone'd be so blasé about their grossness that they'd email a director to hook them up with some illicit nude shots from their movie set. Like, please run headfirst into a fist a few times, my dude.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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DrVenkman posted:

Things got a little awkward with Rose McGowan recently. There was the odd Colbert interview and then the same day there was this: http://variety.com/2018/scene/vpage/rose-mcgowan-meltdown-barnes-and-noble-book-signing-1202684004

Regarding the protester in the audience, I wonder about the use of always undercutting advocates in your own corner ("what about this thing you said, what about this thing you did years ago"). It's a thing that's especially prevalent on Twitter. She may have a good point about Rose, and certainly her silence on the subject of Victor Salvia deserves a response, but I feel like this hostile, accusatory tone serves nothing more than one's own sense of satisfaction, and hurts the movement's ability to gain traction.

Though I must admit, being a white cis male, nobody has ever asked me to tone down my plight.

And crying and screaming isn't a great reply either. If you're going to try and be a figurehead of abused women, you need elephant skin.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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Bust Rodd posted:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/962348831789797381


In light of everything I’ve ever said on the subject, I’m going to seriously rethink my approach to these issues and conversations, because if I’m echoing something this man is saying, I have got to be wrong.

A stopped clock is right twice a day. Donald Trump is a clock that runs backwards, and all the numbers are random letters, and the clock is an irredeemable piece of poo poo.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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exquisite tea posted:

"People will stop making movies with sex in them anymore for fear of being persecuted" lmao do all these guys read from the same script?

Such a loving weird takeaway from the #metoo thing. Literally no one has called for toning down sexual content in movies in connection to this.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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I can imagine this is a way of torching the place by shuffling around some assets, making it legally look like the company with the poisonous name is bankrupt, and move the assets over to a new company.

And while I'm a non-expert speculator, maybe make safe some $$$ from lawsuits aimed at the production company instead of just the man?

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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peer posted:

Radcliffe doesn't think it's a problem to have friends who are "really loving racist" so gently caress him

Can you give this some context?

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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peer posted:

Sure: http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/21/daniel-radcliffe-admits-hes-friends-with-some-really-fing-racist-people-6081533/

"I know some really f***ing racist people, friends I vehemently disagree with. They’re not white supremacists, they would never be that extreme, but they are anti-immigration and absolutely voted to leave in Brexit.’ He added: ‘And I’m still friends with them because I don’t think that friendship should be drawn along those lines. That’d be a really sad way of viewing the world."

I don't know, it's hard to determine from that snippet but maybe he means that he won't cut them out of his life but instead try to convince them of a different viewpoint? I'm not saying you can't find him a prick or anything but seems harsh.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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Gargamel Gibson posted:

"This Music Executive's Sexual Harassment Story Will Make You Never Want To Listen to The Red Hot Chili Peppers"

Actually it's the music.

What I'd like, is, I'd like to hug and kiss you.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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Gilliam says Matt Damon got 'beaten to death' when he criticized the #metoo movement not giving any focus to men who aren't creepy lovely rapists. The dude got put on twitter blast for a few days and that's it. It's like these dudes are so used to feeling like they're on the right side, any kind of criticism is like physical violence.

Also gently caress him

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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Peaceful Anarchy posted:

There are absolutely people who are not being taken advantage of and are instead using their sexuality to get ahead which would make those specific cases "consensual." However, just because both parties are consenting and mutually using each other doesn't make it right. It creates an atmosphere where that behaviour is expected which pressures those who are not willing participants to also participate or else they get shut out of work and provides cover for more explicitly abusive situations because of the idea that "that's just how it is." If the atmosphere is such that there's an advantage to using sex to get ahead then people will feel coerced to use sex to get ahead even without an explicit "have sex with me or you won't get the part" condition.

And let's not forget that Weinstein petulantly worked to professionally destroy any woman who wouldn't gently caress him, which Gilliam conveniently ignores.

From the moment this has been unfolding, I've kind of hoped a couple of actresses might come forward who did decide to accomodate Weinstein or some other high-placed lech to further their career, though I suppose there's no gain in doing that.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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Is there really any point to getting mad about behavior that no one involved claims to be victimized by?

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



Nap Ghost

The stories behind Wizard of Oz are incredible, there were some loving evil men running that show.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



Nap Ghost

Some muthafuckas always tryin to iceskate uphill.

I hope to see some more details on this one. He called the cops to say a woman had a bomb in her bag and she didn't?

...did she refuse to have sex with him?

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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Steve Yun posted:

I would like to talk to YOUUUUUU about some of the THIIINGS you DOOO in your TIRADE

I'm reminded of that Eddie Murphy comedy bit where he says Bill Cosby called him up because Cosby's son went to see Eddie.

YOUUUOUU CANNOT SAY: gently caress

edit: VV oh, whoops

davidspackage fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Apr 26, 2018

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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K. Waste posted:

In the original script of Leon there was literally a sex scene between Mathilda and Leon.

If I recall right, wasn't it specifically a scene where Matilda asks Leon to take her virginity, but he refuses?

It doesn't matter a whole lot, I'm never going to see that movie in the same light again. gently caress. 5th Element is one of my all-time favorite movies too.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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K. Waste posted:

http://scifiscripts.com/msol/LEON.txt

spoilering because i'm not gonna suffer anyone to look at this if they don't need precise confirmation that, "Yes, Besson really did think this was a good idea."



aaah

aaaAAAAaah

AAAHHHH

That's so much worse than what I thought it was.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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Timby posted:

It's not sexual assault, but this interview with the Arrested Development cast is pretty horrifying, particularly Jason Bateman repeatedly talking over Jessica Walter, who was in tears recalling Jeffrey Tambor berating the poo poo out of her, telling her that it's just Hollywood and she should just deal with it.

It's a little hard to judge this properly when you haven't seen or heard the actual incident of Tambor yelling at Walter. But goddamn, if your castmate is practically crying in the group interview recalling it, why don't you just turn to her and say "I didn't realize I hurt you so much and I'm really sorry, you obviously want to have a talk about this and get things off your chest, so let's do just that."

davidspackage fucked around with this message at 05:34 on May 24, 2018

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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:captainpop:

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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I don't think there's anything related sexually to Tom Sizemore that could surprise me.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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Remulak posted:

So if I have my lawyer draft the right thing to say then it's not coercion?

If I say "There are multiple decisions that go into the casting process" while looking down at my dick is THAT coercion?
What if I gesture at my dick?

I guess that's legally what a rapist could say, in his defence.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



Nap Ghost

I'm seeing some tweets regarding some really lovely things James Gunn said/wrote in the past, stuff like jokes about pedophilia, rape and sexist/homophobic remarks about women. I was inclined to discredit it at first because it was Mike "douchebag" Cernovich pulling them up, but now I see Gunn himself sorry-not-sorrying in a lovely apology:

https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1020154776539967489?s=19

Basically: I already said sorry, I was just being an edgelord, I'm not that person anymore but I did nothing wrong yadda yadda.

I get that this might be some years back, but is it that hard to just say "yes, sorry, it was lovely and I apologize and I'm never going to say that poo poo again?" Why is apologizing so hard for these folks, does it just come with the territory?

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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I guess I was still naive enough to think James Gunn was a better man than that.

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davidspackage
May 16, 2007



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CelticPredator posted:

Also this has been brought up before and also, why again. Is it to kill his career? What’s the end game?

Admittedly, I did not know that and should've researched a bit before posting. Twitter is a bad feeding ground for this sort of thing. I'll be more careful about that in the future.

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