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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Basebf555 posted:

That's one thing that older people need to really absorb and understand about how the culture has changed. Older man being "handsy" and touching legs or other even more inappropriate places during photos or hugs was considered normal operating procedure for a long time but finally we're saying you need to cut that poo poo out. I'm sure Lasseter didn't think of himself as guilty of sexual assault but guess what buddy, you were. Younger guys I hope already understand this.

I am pretty sure he knew exactly what he was doing. This isn't poo poo that was unknown 30 years ago.

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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Basebf555 posted:

He knew what he was doing but I doubt it ever crossed his mind that it would ever be a problem, because up to now our culture as more or less accepted it. Trump was 100% right, if you have enough money and power you could grope anyone you wanted to and there would never be any consequences. Now there are consequences, and if knowing that prevents some creeps from acting out their gross fantasies then so be it. Would be better if they chose self-awareness, positive change, and personal growth, but that's probably asking too much from old rich white men.

Oh, I misunderstood you, I thought you were saying "He didn't realize he was doing anything wrong." We're on the same page.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Timeless Appeal posted:

I think your statement that women would be sexually abusing, harassing, and humiliating others just as equally if given the same position of power rings pretty false.


Women are people. They are not not magical pure beings of fairy and light who never do anything bad. People in positions of power, regardless of gender, will exploit that in a variety of ways. That doesn't change the systemic abuse faced by women nor does it deny that women are at a massive disadvantage due to social bullshit in the workplace, but it's pretty hosed up to pretend like there's some purity bullshit going on here.

The reason we don't see more of it is because there are relatively few women in position of power and they do not enjoy the same protection that male abusers do which makes it harder for the same foul "oh well just keep your legs crossed when he comes by" sort of attitude to form. Treating women like they are not people and can't actually do things wrong is pretty hosed up and dismissive of the victims (which are certainly not exclusively male) of women who abuse others.

This is even discounting the fact that abuse by women tends not to be viewed the same way and is often discounted or (shamefully) lauded as a good thing. I doubt there isn't a single one of us here who doesn't know someone who was touched inappropriately by a woman at a party or bar or something and whose friend's response to it was a shrug or a compliment.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



That video is legitimately loving creepy as hell because no matter how much he's trying to act IC it sounds a whoooole loving lot like he's talking about himself.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Corrosion posted:

He’s not doing that to be in character. Being “in character” is playing the phrase “being the villain” to the hilt because it is a phrase used to deflect criticism of a person’s behavior.

“Let Me Be Frank” is an absolutely loaded phrase to this end. “Just believe I’m a villain you love to hate.” He’s not confused about what he’s doing, Kevin Spacey knows exactly what he’s doing. He is counting on the support of a bunch of people who don’t have any real grasp of his actions beyond him being an actor.

Yeah, that's a fair point, I phrased that badly. It's just... depressing and bewildering.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Corrosion posted:

My girlfriend brought up him being a very talented actor even as she rebuked this PR stunt, and even the well-meaning are just suckered into this farce he’s hiding behind. I’m sorry I came off harshly on you. I used to associate with people who would use the phrase “being the villain” to defend people who openly used all variety of slurs or horrible behavior. The acceptance of delusionally seeing what we’re doing as being part of some extension of artistic license or art is literally what Kevin invokes.

I’m not mad at you, it bears repeating, I’m mad that people have used this phrase and the acceptance of it is precisely how we even arrive at this piece of human garbage equating rape as just being part of something daring that “challenges norms.” He has doubled down on his initial defense of coming out as gay when accusations of rape arose. He just picked a more well-accepted or potent part of ideology to do so.

Yeah, that's completely understandable. I appreciate you explaining it because I didn't think about how what I said came off. I don't blame you for feeling heated about this particular video either because it's really gross and at least to some degree works on people.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



How *dare* children be concerned about the massive string of mass school shootings which make an already stressful and difficult time in their life infinitely more uncomfortable and worrying. Why can't they just enjoy being kids instead of worrying about getting shot?!

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Well I mean Jussie pretty clearly came out with clean hands lol.

Eh. There are going to be a not insignificant number of people, and not just chuds, who think he famed or bribed his way out.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007




So saying he got out of it clean is a bit inaccurate. Fair or not this is going to haunt him for the rest of his career.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



I mean I think the one thing you can say 100% without argument is that the CPD hosed up super bad somewhere along the line, bad enough that national embarrassment is better than whatever the hell they screwed up.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



https://theblast.com/disney-winnie-pooh-jim-cummings-rape-animal-abuse-custody/

Jesus. If even a quarter of this is true.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Skwirl posted:

He says that's the reason she's accusing him of these things.

Again, I don't want to say she's lying, but it would have been helpful if the reporters at least attempted to verify anything. She apparently called the cops and at one point a deputy had to pull out his gun, there should be some sort of paper trail.

It is worth noting that he admits to at least some of it but frames it as "we were just having a good time," which is something we've heard a whole lot from harassers and victims.

(That said her sex-worker-shaming is pretty crappy and has nothing to do with the other allegations.)

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Davros1 posted:

Heads up, if you see Louis CK's act now, he's added a copyright notice to his material.


https://twitter.com/jamesdshotwell/status/1124766832546787328

Oh now Louis CK wants consent.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



LORD OF BOOTY posted:

I mean, I actually think I get it.

CK's basically a dead comedian. Nobody's going to willingly come to his shows, and nobody's going to record them, so there's basically no reason why any aspiring stand-up wouldn't try to steal his material.

Hell, it's even fairly easily defensible for one to do so, because the only necessary response without the threat of legal action would be "why don't you just whip your cock out about it, Louie?"

He's revving up the lawyers because he knows that's basically the only way he's even going to slightly avoid this issue, and avoid people using it as an active opportunity to dunk him in the trash.

It's more straightforward than that.

During his original 'comeback tour' someone recorded him saying abhorrent poo poo and posted it and it torpedoed his attempt to repair his reputation. So he's being sulky about it.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



I mean among other things what this says to me is "make an anonymous Twitter named CKPosts and post it anyway" but hey.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



aware of dog posted:

Moby responds in a way that definitely proves he is not a creep
https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1131304001209819136?s=21

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



got any sevens posted:

Why doesnt he just do pure porn ffs

I assume, based off the other statements about him, because part of the appeal to him is having power to force people to do what he wants when they don't want to. The fact it was sexual was probably secondary to him over the fact it gave him power.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



esperterra posted:

Yeah, agreed. tbh Larson seemed like she wanted to be anywhere else but promoting her role in either movie.

This I honestly don't get TBH. Like even if she did what does it matter? There are tons of actors who act that way, including Marvel/Disney actors. Harrison Ford is famous for not giving a poo poo in promoting his films.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



MrMojok posted:

Max showed up on the pointlesswasteoftime.com forums sometime around 2002, 2003 I guess, and had this bizarre whiny/persecuted/edgelord thing going on. We all thought it was teenage angst and he'd grow out of it but when I look at his interviews and read his tweets today, he's exactly the same person. Just with money and some kind of standing (?!) in the industry.

Considering the kind of people who ran PWOT I'm not too surprised he'd think he'd be welcome there.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



MrMojok posted:

I guess there are a lot of things you could say about those forums as they were then, and the guy who ran them, but people like Max were most definitely never welcome there. It was drat near a defining characteristic of the place!

I mean John Cheese was a sex pest and David Wong apparently covered for him.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



MrMojok posted:

Holy loving poo poo. I had not heard about any of this.

e: is this part of why they shut down the forums? I stopped reading them about a year after PWOT became Cracked, and just looked a couple months ago and noticed they were gone.

I think that was tied to Cracked basically having to let go a whole bunch of their staff. Cheese was still writing for them after that though.

John Cheese's writing got scrubbed from Cracked and also The Modern Rogue after it happened though.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007




Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Rhyno posted:

Was there some proof of Trump diddling kids previously?

He talked about going into underage girls dressing rooms IIRC.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Skwirl posted:

Among the stuff recovered at Epstein's by police are videos labeled "Young [Name] + [Name]" so likely blackmail material.

Jesus that makes me sick to read.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Punching up will always be better received than punching down as well.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



The guy who literally had a sex tape with an underage girl is making sex tapes with underage girls? If only there was some way we could have foreseen and prevented this abuse.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Davros1 posted:

Seeing the sweetheart deal that was cut for him the last time that allowed him to skate practically free, I wouldn't be surprised if they just said "Well, he's dead now, no need to investigate any further" and drop the whole thing.

Considering that there's good odds that popular presidents on both sides of the fence would be involved, yeah, it's hard to see anyone in power showing eagerness in genuine investigation.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's a sex pest. Says life just doesn't give him enough. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where he no longer can harass women without consequences. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great singer Plácido is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says, "But doctor...I am Plácido.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Vagabundo posted:

If we're talking plain ol' garden-variety assault, did you feel the same way about Richard Spencer being fed a knuckle sandwich?

You should read what you just posted very carefully.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



DC Murderverse posted:

yeah, the proximity to GamerGate means that more GG assholes are gonna go in and take their shots. Luckily the mods in games have been fairly quick about giving those guys probations. They've probably had more people get punished for defending abusers in like, a week than this thread has had since it started like 6 months ago

edit: oh my god this thread has been around almost two years

This forum in general has always been pretty strict about that, at least as long as I've been browsing. It's completely not welcome to even ironic "I would totally gently caress (x)" jokes which helps a *lot* since on other forums about movies that seems to be the primary starting place for weirdos to start talking about the SJWing of Marvel or whatever.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Bust Rodd posted:

It makes sense for a comedian because if you wrote an hour of material and it takes you 6 months to workshop it to get it ready to record and some brojob posts the whole thing on YouTube then you’ve basically lost a year of work for no value.

Somehow countless other comedians survive this, as well as comedians who actively have their material available for viewing via youtube/streaming/etc.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Bust Rodd posted:

Not every comedian’s hour is worth millions of dollars. Dave Chappell stands to lose a lot more money to a pirate than Nate Bergatze

Dave Chapelle literally had a TV show and multiple stand-up specials. If a YouTube of his jokes loses him millions of dollars then why is he making his jokes publicly available.

We are not in the era where 'joke thieves' are a concern anymore.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Bust Rodd posted:

Are you arguing in favor of people being able to record live performances against the artist’s wishes? I don’t get your point at all.

I am saying it isn't a meaningful enough risk to require hard lockdown. This behavior isn't about protecting their comedy. It is about avoiding footage of them saying terrible things circulating.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Bust Rodd posted:

Yeah but playing videogames in your room isn’t a real job so who cares

This is bullshit actually. It is not just playing video games but being a constantly on source of entertainment. It is actually absurdly stress ful, time consuming and bad for your health. Playing games is a lot less fun when it is an obligation and you can't take a break.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Judakel posted:

It is unfinished work. Anyone familiar with stand-up can tell you why it is a bad idea to have that out there.

Plenty of stand-up comedians don't go to such extreme measures. It's a mysterious coincidence that it started happening more after he got bad flack for making lovely offensive jokes.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Judakel posted:

Plenty of stand-ups don't have vultures looking for a story and posters looking to call the work lovely because they disliked a joke that wasn't finished or suddenly took umbrage with the same type of work he has always done.


You're not supposed to in order to write a piece. Louis CK doesn't care if you think his jokes are offensive. He doesn't want unfinished work being judged in terms of quality.

You can keep calling the work that offended you lovely if it makes you feel better. It is the same type of work you loved two years ago.

Now start the rant about cancel culture.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Judakel posted:

You just didn't have a good point.

Nah.

You referred to people who pointed out that a serial sexual harasser was now making transphobic jokes and insults aimed at the survivors of school shootings as 'vultures.' It was extremely clear what you actually meant.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Judakel posted:

You really cannot accept that your point was garbage? He has always made the same types of jokes. Where have you been? Don't tell me what I meant. If you want to rant against profane material, do it.


That's not how joke writing works. You have to, you know, perform them and fine tune them. That's how performing things usually works.

I like how you shifted from "transphobic and attacking the victims of school shootings" to "profane" and tried to treat them as the same thing.

You keep trying to shift the goalposts.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



dirksteadfast posted:

You’d think with how the past few years have gone in terms of Me Too that Disney would do some vetting before committing to giving Goldblum his own show on their new streaming service. I’m not siding with Goldblum without any additional information, but there have certainly been murmurs about him for some time and Disney doesn’t strike me as being willing to roll the dice like that.

You mean like Jeremy Renner?

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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



dirksteadfast posted:

I thought about that while writing, but Jeff Goldblum’s show looks to be literally “let’s hang out with Jeff Goldblum while he does stuff”. It’d be harder to hand wave that away than the least important Avenger.

(Again, not denying the fact that he could be a creep. Disney cares about money more than values.)

One of the upcoming shows is Hawkeye.

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