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Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


I remember Hardwick saying on some podcast somewhere that he didnít do AA because of the god stuff.

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Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


Sometimes they donít come back. Jeffery Jones didnít and neither did that seventh heaven guy.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


Rhyno posted:

Seriously, this is Kevin Spacey.

Yeah well I say heís nothing but an upjumped character actor!

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


Maybe all of our disgraced content creators will found a new molestation riddled film colony in France. Canít wait for Weinstein presents: Beyond the Sea 2, a Polanski Joint.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


Timeless Appeal posted:

The criticism of the film is mostly being hit in terms of being "one sided."

But unless there is evidence that:
(A) Two men independently crafted very parallel stories about their abuse with narratives occurring through events that are collaborated by multiple family members
(B) The two men and their families conspired to lie about their abuse
(C) The director Dan Reed, a bit of a TV and documentary journeyman, help created an elaborate hoax between multiple people

It's really hard to question the reality that Michael Jackson did likely rape children in which case, there really isn't another side.

The lengths people have gone to deny this stuff borders on conspiracy theory and complete disassociation from reality. Everyone agrees that he slept in the same room as children, actively tried to separate them from their parents, and gave them wine. Then thereís those insane faxes and the jewelry. They accept all this obvious grooming as fact but wonít accept the obvious conclusion.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


Rhyno posted:

I mean, come on dude. Man in the Mirror is such a good song...






this is sarcasm in case anyone can't tell

I think he peaked at Thriller, honestly. :shrug:

I only got through part 1 of the doc, it bummed me out too much to keep watching.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


Rhyno posted:

He was a lovely person but Remember the Time was good stuff.

The cast of the music video was pretty star-studded, Iíll give you that... I guess he might have been innocent after all.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


dirksteadfast posted:

I feel like MJ is also shielded by the fact that this story has been around for a long time. Even if the waters are less muddy now and there are credible stories, people are less likely to backtread and admit that they excused a predator for over a decade. Itís much easier to turn on someone like Kevin Spacey where itís a ďWe just didnít knowĒ situation.

I remember coverage mainly focusing on Feldman and Culkin, who both denied it. Both-siding it by saying they werenít molested, as if the fact that he didnít rape two very famous child stars is proof of innocence.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


AngusPodgorny posted:

Now thereís a documentary telling them to believe he did it. Which sounds pithy and condescending, but the documentary was created to persuade people of a position, by someone whose profession is persuading people, so it's no surprise it has persuaded people.

Iím used to potentially deceptive storytelling from a trial lawyer perspective, but documentaries can take it to a whole other level. Lawyers will spend days coaching witnesses to make sure they remember things just right and donít accidentally say something that should be omitted, and witnesses are happy to go along, either willingly because it benefits them or just because itís actually pretty easy to manipulate someoneís memories (psychologists are really good at this too). But eventually those witnesses get one shot at doing it live in front of a jury, so thereís still a chance of failure because the other side can cross-examine or impeach them. While in a documentary, they can re-take anything that isnít good enough, they get to cut out any unfavorable footage, and they donít have to worry about the other side getting to ask any tough questions.

Then add in that a documentary isnít hindered by a judge enforcing any evidentiary rules, and the other side isnít given an opportunity to put on its own witnesses and evidence, and I trust documentaries even less than I trust lawyers. Who I donít trust at all.

Lawyers do this because it works really well to persuade normal people who arenít so filled with cynicism and distrust that they assume everyone is lying all the time. As for whether Jackson molested anyone, I don't know, accept that I will never really know, and therefore don't care enough to go through all of the arguments for and against.

yeah youíre right we should demand receipts before we decide if the man who slept in the same bed as children every day he could and tried to separate them from their parents as much as possible and had multiple allegations levied against him did anything bad.

It might just be editing.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


Sure Jackson sent hundreds of faxed love letters to an 8 year old, but did the documentary show any of the many faxes he sent that werenít evidence of sex crimes? No, of course not. But I guess you sheep didnít consider that did you? hmm??

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


esperterra posted:

re: Spacey

Rapp isn't overly famous outside of the theatre crowd-- though he does have ST:D now!-- and it wasn't his first time speaking about Spacey trying to gently caress him. imo a big part of Spacey getting got was there already being a conversation happening around Weinstein at the time. If the #MeToo movement hadn't already started spinning up, I'm honestly not sure how Rapp's story would have been taken.

It also doesn't help that Spacey tried to deflect by coming out. If he'd stayed quiet, who knows.

Yeah I had remembered hearing that story from Rapp before this all blew up and I was confused because I guess I had assumed everyone knew about it. Then I couldn't find the old interview I remembered seeing so I assumed I just made it up.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


Chris James 2 posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV7-HDO5zb0

Footage has been uncovered of MJ going ring shopping with a young James Safechuck (he showed some of the rings with hesitation during the Leaving Neverland documentary)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3DyN8Jvnz4

Surreal poo poo with them ignoring the ď12 year old friendď, suggesting that itís for Sheryl Crow (his backup singer), and its all coming from a young Bill OíReilly .

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


Timby posted:

Yeah, didn't he pay a metric fuckton of money for Hunter S. Thompson's ashes, just so he could shoot them out of a cannon?

Dude is also reportedly a raging alcoholic.

He had to pay for the ashes? Pay who, the family? I thought they agreed to the cannon thing .

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


Many people believe the popular myth that Rahm Emanuel lost his finger while volunteering in the Israeli army. The truth, however, is that he broke it off in his own rear end in a top hat.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007



Yeah that is factually incorrect, you can totally erase art. Paint stripper, literal erasers... there are all kinds of ways.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


AccountSupervisor posted:

"Necessity is NOT heroism in my eyes, Mike."

- A Real Thing Max Landis Said to Me Once


His career shoulda died with Bright but it unfortunately was a pretty big hit on Netflix despite it being terrible and a critical bomb.

I guess a lot of people did what I did and watched it specifically because it looked incredibly stupid. My bad.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


DC Murderverse posted:

i mean i think for a long time he was self-medicating pretty heavily but he seems pretty well adjusted now (relative to before).

he did date Mila Kunis for a while, which led to Russell Brand's funniest comedy bit.

Now heís really into Toejam and Earl

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


It could just be a lot of Young Jeezy collaborations from 2005

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


El Gallinero Gros posted:

Said man is notoriously full of himself, I'm sure arrogance made him think he was infallible

Trapped in the Closet with the commentary on is some pure strain hilarious narcissism.

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Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


Not to get all conspiracy theorist in here but I doubt that was a suicide attempt.

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