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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Had to check the date on that Emily article. Jesus christ the fashion industry is the slimiest industry. Has things not changed since 20/20 did that story about Epstein associates in the 80s?

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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






I feel like i'm missing something. Is the tape that came out the one that was in Jan? Did something come out that explicitly shows that Amber lied about the abuse?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Vir posted:

The only new thing is that Sia tweeted about it and openly supports Depp now. It's the same tape where Heard admitted to hitting Depp, and verbally abused him in a recording that she made on her own phone.

Ah ok.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






man everytime I think Aziz Ansari, I think of the "hook"

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Groovelord Neato posted:

There was a lot of downplaying of the article because I guess women are just supposed to accept bad sex I guess. For a guy of his age the Aziz stuff is super embarrassing that's like fumbling high school boy poo poo.

I reread the article and Aziz clearly would not acknowledge her verbal and nonverbal cues to not have sex. Esp btw a 22 yr old and a 34 year old, its sickening, and so is the physicality of the encounter, with her literally trying to fight him off.

Babe net seems to have had horrible managing tho, and a male dominated hierarchy of a front facing female org, that invariably collapsed on sexual misdeeds by the male proprietors and Facebook collectively dunking smaller sites in favor of Dan Bongino and Tucker Carlson https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thecut.com/amp/2019/06/babe-net-aziz-ansari-date-rise-and-fall.html

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Bust Rodd posted:

So there’s absolutely no room in the conversation for believing Aziz when he says “I invited a woman over to my house for dinner and drinks, we hooked up a couple times but she didn’t want to sleep with me and then she left, and now I’m suddenly really surprised to find out she feels like I dominated and disrespected her.” then?



Why should we believe Aziz? The victim whose coming out ultimately got her and her mother death threats said she said no repeatedly, Aziz would stop, then manhandle her repeatedly over the course of the night.

Your take strikes me as similar to ppl who wonder why women dont run from these encounters, when first hand accounts and science shows that women are too overwhelmed by fear and social obligations to do nothing but shut down.

This woman was barely out of college. Its loving sickening.

E: based on the errors on this page, I'm urging anyone who wants to talk about this to reread the article, please.

E2: there are alot of takes here I agree with: https://www.thelily.com/how-18-women-responded-to-grace-and-the-aziz-ansari-allegation/

Shageletic fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Oct 21, 2020

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Alan Smithee posted:

The Social Network is where I post Horny

More like the Exsanguination Network

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Rhyno posted:

Who else had a blood fetish?

Dracula

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






hump day bitches! posted:

My hottest take is that had cavill shaved his moustache most if not all the problems with justice league and whedon's behaviour on set would have been swept under the rug.
Affleck looking like a bloated corpse, the cgi, the coloring,the ost, how uninspired it looks. everything but that hidous cgi face would have been forgiven.
They would have considered the film a bomb, but WB would have been sold to ATT and Kevin Tsujihara's sex scandal would have buried anything else.

You know, reading about the Tsujihara scandal https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.la...ml%3f_amp=true, it strikes me how his fall was engineereed by the talent agencies like CAA instead of being shamed into doing it like the sexual assault cases like Weinstein, that took multiple women coming forward and alot of press.

Tsujihara hooked up with a young actress and tried to get her roles in the movies he oversaw. The relationship was consensual. But I think that paradigm threatened agencies much more than the horrors usually visited on actresses we've heard about, and thats why they were so on the ball to call it out

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Theres still 9 other living siblings. Maybe there'll be documentary in 20 years that has them on the record on this mess

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Ghost Leviathan posted:

I know that's pretty horrible, but it sounds hilarious.

lol

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






I just want to know more about Mia's possible abuse. Like Woody is definitely some sort of pedophile. But what the gently caress was going on with her? Moses wrote some explosive poo poo, but I haven't seen anything else that backs it up.

e: i have some experience with rich foreign people adopting vulnerable children from abroad, and that poo poo can get so loving disgusting it'll make you vomit. Like disposable toys, cast away when they get bored.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007







Ah jesus

However, the ordeal has cast a long shadow. During her time making TV show Angel, on which she appeared from 1999 to 2004, Carpenter would set off for work under cover of darkness. ‘I’d go to work at 4am and would have to leave my house to get to my car in the middle of the night,’ she explains. ‘I’d have to talk myself down from the panic that would set in that came from thinking someone would attack me. ‘It would be impossible to have an experience like that and for it not to leave long-lasting impressions. It’s like if you’re a pedestrian and a car swerves off the road and hits you. It doesn’t mean you never walk along a street again but you’re more aware and alert.’


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2013/10/02/charisma-carpenter-you-can-have-a-good-life-even-after-something-terrible-happens-4130335/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

Wtf was her workday like jesus

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Mr. Apollo posted:

She’s not alone. A few years ago a cast member of Riverdale was seriously injured in a car accident when he fell asleep at the wheel. The cast had been asking for drivers to pick them up and drop them off because they were on set from like 5 AM until 9 PM.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/riverdale-star-late-night-car-crash-working-16-hour-day-1041899

Do these folks get OT? That's a 15 hour workday.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Matchpoint is great and the hero isn't Woody and if he was a standin for him then itd be perfect, bc the hero is a monster

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Magic Hate Ball posted:

I'd never heard of this before, how loving terrifying. Sabrina, the girl he didn't give up on (literally discarding a child because she's not shaping up to be a good wife jfc) has a whole wiki page with a lot of horrible details, like the fact that Day was basically a short-tempered incel who wanted a wife that was both demure and ascetic but also able to discuss literature and science and philosophy, or, uh:


Also it's extremely funny to me that Shaw hated the idea of Higgins and Eliza ending up together at the end so much that he later wrote an epilogue describing in detail why they should not get married, but even in the initial run the producers changed his original ending, and then every adaptation has had them as an item at the end.

Alot of disturbing stuff on this: heres one of the references how_to_create_the_perfect_wife_by_wendy_moore_biography_of_thomas_day_reviewed.html

But wikipedia as usual bringing the boom

quote:

One example given by Rousseau was helping Emile become accustomed to explosions such as fireworks by firing pistols with small amounts of powder near him, gradually increasing the amount of powder. Day, on the other hand, fired a pistol loaded with powder directly at Sidney's petticoat, not telling her that there was no shot in it.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






pentyne posted:

AND he admitted to all of it as part of the plea deal. He openly said "yes I gave drugs and alcohol to a thirteen year old girl, and when she passed out I then raped her"

I am still stunned anyone went to bat for him. I'm assuming a big part of the 90s-recent public support of him was because tons of those people were either guilty of the same kind of behavior or just assumed that's what influential Hollywood types did and it wasn't fair to punish him for it.

Devin Faraci was a big booster for Roman's innocence. Article after article by him about how he was unfairly targetted, by living in Europe and still working

Should have been a tell

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

What the gently caress.

I feel like they're doing a bit.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Darko posted:

False Rape is a kind of big deal with black people as it was a lot more prevalent as either an excuse to lynch them or white women excusing having hooked up with black men when caught. Also why I mentioned earlier that black people get way more defensive of a Kobe or whoever that get accused.

ugh don't try to conflate all black people as supporting that poo poo

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Did they ever interview Moses or go into his allegations of abuse from Mia?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Remember that time she made her PA go into a burning bldg to get some paintings

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Captain Hotbutt posted:

I think Hammer was pivoting his career to medium-budget-level indie stalwart, after Call Me By Your Name. He had a part in Sorry to Bother You and all this news has probably tanked the next Taika Waititi movie, since he's the lead in that and it's already filmed.

read the synopsis

quote:

Adaptation of the 2014 British documentary. The story of the American Samoa soccer team, who suffered the worst loss in World Cup history, losing to Australia 31-0 in 2001.

and the bad luck continues

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






ImpAtom posted:

I would say it is more that there is a not-coincidental connection between desire for fame/power and the kind of mindset that wants to do those sorts of things. Even if you're just talking about Youtube People it generally isn't a career you do without a specific reason, be it a desire for personal fame or for the (ugh) 'perks' that fame brings you. Combine that with years and years of media basically pressing the idea that if you become famous you can do whatever you want (which was perfectly embodied by 'guy who is famous for being famous became president') and it's no surprise that you see a lot of these things happening among 'personalities.' It kind of ends up self-selecting for abusive people. And when it doesn't you have people whose livelihood and similar addictive fame is tied to downplaying those things so they get to thrive. (As seems to be the case with GGs covering this poo poo up.)

This feels like its otherizing sexual abuse/harassment. The vast majority of women who work in the restaurant biz have been sexualy harassed. Its a figure that holds for most male dominated industries.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






HopperUK posted:

I've worked in retail all my working life and the most sexual harrassment I got (which was fairly minor compared with some) was working in regular supermarkets. Customers and senior staff. There's one guy in particular who was my supervisor who when I look back on it, I wish I could teleport back there and punch him in the nose. He kept it just subtle enough that I wasn't sure, and I was a young girl, and you're not supposed to make a fuss and arrrrgh. Arg. gently caress that guy.

I got sexually harassed by a girl co-worker who didn't have any boundaries and got creepy about knowing about my love life when I worked at Chuck E Cheese. What a loving weird job that was.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






I would be fixing a game (mostly just by reaching in and pulling jammed tickets out) and she would sidle up to me and say that she wished that was her pants. I was a virgin, and I remember thinking, is this how people start dating. But even then, I was loving skeeved out and super uncomfortable.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Sodomy Hussein posted:

Worth noting that Pornhub and its various sister sites (it is now a vast and largely unaccountable empire) is built on stolen material that destroyed the porn industry and with it whatever loose controls there were on content, and no one cares because it's porn. As Bust Rodd points out there's no actual money in doing porn at this point, because the cost of entry is $0 for all involved.

Meanwhile, everyone watches porn and doing even one video is a scarlet letter; if you attempt to get a "real" job someone will eventually recognize you and you will lose that job. I would recommend The Butterfly Effect for more about this phenomenon, which among many other things also gets into people doing special order porn-by-request as a stopgap for people with extremely specific fetishes, like filming women crushing a stamp collection. This was four years ago so I imagine the market even on that sort of thing has dropped out.

I was in New Orleans once and started chatting up a woman who only works a few months outta the year, by flying to Europe, putting on a stain resistant suit, and smashes very squishy vegetables and paint for perverts. Seems like good work if you can get it.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Sodomy Hussein posted:

Most of the rumor mill was that TJ Miller was a drunken nightmare on set and yet somehow his career appears to have survived, even though you can slot pretty much anyone into the Rob Schneider part of a movie.

I used to listen to the podcast You Made it Weird with Pete Holmes, and Miller was a good friend of his that would show up occasionally, to spout semi congent surface level takes on nihilism and his "philosophy" towards comedy.

but he also did almost die from a brain disease when he was younger and prob has some sort of brain damage. Explains why he would call a terrorist threat on a woman he ran into once.

Doesn't explain him sexually harrassing/assaulting a woman in college.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Kubrick Movie Multiverse

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB2EtkMM2fk

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






I just checked out Tom Cruise's character in Tropic Thunder and goddamn. It was an open secret.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






AceOfFlames posted:

The Tropic Thunder producers have claimed that Les Grossman was not based on any particular person but rather he's an amalgamation of several different producers. Tbh I believe them. No shortage of abusive balding fat white guys in that profession (though I bet Grossman is around 50% Rudin, 40% Weinstein and 10% other assorted assholes).

Otoh




Shageletic fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Apr 8, 2021

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






This morning, I was thinking of how loving skeevy and horrible it is that Scott Rudin never hired anyone over 25 and just loving terrorized these kids until they broke down, and then got another one straight out of college to replace them.

When you're young and straight out of school, you're so loving vulnerable its ridiculous. You'll do anything to prove yourself, and you invest so much trust and hope in your older co-workers and bosses to help you figure yourself out.

And rudin like any predator just exploitated that as much as possible.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Didnt Vincent Gallo abuse people on film.

E: like thats his claim to fame.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






i dont know about any of this card poo poo but people trying to shut down compaints about it, from an outside perspective, seem sus as hell. If people have legitimate complaints about a company's lovely behavior in the 90s, who are you to try to tell people to let it go.

Anyway a perspective from a person who only knows about this poo poo from this thread.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

How's this for a perspective, take your snide smearing of other posters and sod off.

Saying that people in the thread are 'sus' just because you disagree with them is an incredibly loving crass and petty way of throwing around insinuations that demeans the actual topics of the thread and shouldn't have a place here.

Lol ok. I dont know whats going on with you but being super defensive about this insanely specific hobby is pretty weird and potentially problematic.

Sodomy Hussein posted:

The action to get rid of the white power cards from within WotC was also extremely recent (2020).

https://www.polygon.com/2020/6/10/21287154/racist-magic-the-gathering-cards-banned-removed-from-database-wizards-apology

The cards in question are extremely cringey, and compounding it is that the artist was infamous for being an open, unguarded racist at conventions and so on.

There's also at least one far-right artist they've recently done away with:

https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/wizards-ends-their-relationship-with-terese-nielsen/

This is a lot of stuff that would generally go overlooked prior to 2016, let alone 1994.


My point is not to say that Magic is good and fine and everyone should shut up, it's that Magic has these problems and you can imagine D&D also has them, with the added issue that there's less attention on D&D because it's not as popular or profitable.

At least this poster gave me some context. Thanks.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






quote:

One card in particular, Invoke Prejudice, was singled out. It shows a hooded executioner with a black axe. “If opponent casts a Summon spell that does not match the color of one of the creatures under your control, that spell is countered,” says the card. It effectively kills off creatures that don’t look like the creatures already on the table.


Haha....wow!

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

Coming into a thread about racism, rapists, and other sorts of abusive monsters it's incredibly loving gross to blithely start calling people "sus" in that context just because you disagree with something innocuous they posted that didn't align with your opinion. Really loving distasteful. I'm not sure why that needs to be explained to you.

Hey buddy I've been here since the jump. Also a defensive posture that tamps down stories of corporate racism helps spread and maintain this poo poo.

To recap: this is the original post and reply

Crackbone posted:

WotC is still a messed up company, but that invoke predjudice poo poo happened 25 years ago. Their current art is super progressive in terms of representation. They cut ties with artists who’ve been overtly CHUD-like. So maybe let that complaint go?

Me posted:

i dont know about any of this card poo poo but people trying to shut down compaints about it, from an outside perspective, seem sus as hell. If people have legitimate complaints about a company's lovely behavior in the 90s, who are you to try to tell people to let it go.

Anyway a perspective from a person who only knows about this poo poo from this thread.

Tamping down allegations because they happened 20 years ago is not a good thing to do! I think that's pretty obvious, or should be.

I think you need to figure out why this is giving you such a huge reaction.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






The difference between saying you're covering up for racism versus saying you're suspicious for covering up for racism seems like a fine line to me.

People think that racism is a yes/no thing when its really a fluctuating thing based on structural pressures and influences. I think turning away from racist things from the past (that always inevitably seems to continue in the present) helps encourage racism in the present.

I am not calling that poster a racist. But turning away from racist history does support racism and helps strengthen it.

And what especially got my goat was the urging for OTHER posters to not talk about it. That's just wrong.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






Inspector Gesicht posted:

Someone commented on reddit that the only the male companions from the RTD era not to be accused of sexual misconduct are the Grandpa and the Robot Dog, and I'm not so sure about the latter.


egon_beeblebrox posted:

The voice of the dog is allegedly a huge creep at conventions.

Jesus christ

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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007






I'm an emotionally unavailable dude and someone taking their dick is super gross and weird and offputing. gently caress that.

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