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wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Davros1 posted:

After what she revealed Harvey Weinstein did to her, I'm kind of surprised to see Asia Argento sign on to this.

Yeah, that one is kind of weird. I was sort of surprised to see names like Tilda Swinton and David Lynch on there, but I guess there really isn't a reason to be. Making cool movies certainly doesn't have any connection to being a decent human being. At this point, I pretty much assume everyone in Hollywood is a lovely person in some way unless proven otherwise.

At least Herzog isn't on there. Of course, there was that thing with Kinski's daughter later saying her dad was constantly molesting her, so yeah...

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wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



viral spiral posted:

I hope the DOJ or something has full-time bodyguards for those kids in Stranger Things and IT now. It's almost certain some Predator in Hollywood has at least plotted to rape them already.

I read some article about how the kid who plays Mike had to ask everyone to stop being creepy towards him and his co-stars. Apparently there are a bunch of people who are RPF shipping him and the girl who plays Eleven. And I guess some 27-year old model told him to "hit her up in 4 years" and then claimed that she totally wasn't propositioning a child when people said that was gross.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Yeah I mean if you want to write fanfiction of the characters I don't care. But when it's (presumably) adults writing about how they want these two real kids to hook up... that's pretty weird.

Man, it's probably super crazy to be a child star nowadays. I'm sure it's always been difficult, but there are so many creepy people with no boundaries out there, and now they all have super easy access through social media.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



So, whoever said they really hope Richard Dreyfuss doesn't get accused... uhh, maybe don't check the news.

Also, the guy who played Chuck on Gossip Girl now has two actresses saying he raped them. I know I shouldn't judge people based on appearances or the kinds of roles they play, but this doesn't surprise me at all.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



porfiria posted:

I mean sure but there are tons of marginally talented (or less) people floating around who weren't connected at all. Explain Sam Worthington, for example.

I think Sam Worthington has been putting in some good work lately. His starring roles in big movies were all pretty bad, but he seems fine in more supporting roles.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



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The percentage of old white men who get creepy/grabby with the nurses taking care of them is like 80%. That might be generous actually. I find it very easy to believe. Itís even worse with foreign nurses on visas who have extra reason to feel hesitant about reporting incidents of abuse.
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Yeah, I used to be a caretaker and the percentage of old people (mostly men, but a good amount of women too) who behaved like that with staff was extremely high. Itís kind of difficult though, because a lot of them genuinely do have dementia or something and may really not know what is going on. There are definitely old people out there though that know they are acting inappropriately and continue to do it, so Iím not going to give someone a free pass automatically. Probably why Iím not in caretaking anymore, getting harassed and sometimes assaulted on a regular basis for very little money kind of sucks.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



CountFosco posted:

But none of the crimes Polanski is guilty of are even eligible for the death penalty? Like, that's not an actual risk.

Yeah, I understand a country not wanting to send their citizen over to get executed, but that has zero chance of happening here. Like, the absolute worst I can imagine him getting would be a few years in jail, and I would honestly be pretty surprised if it was that bad.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Yeah, the death penalty is basically terrible and has no legitimate reason to exist. Anyway, the problem isnít really France refusing to send him back, itís that he ran away in the first place. And as far as I understand it, he admits he did it but doesnít actually think what he did was wrong. Yeah I know there was that thing where he thought he was going to get 50 years or something and thatís why he ran away, but the chances of something like that actually holding up are pretty drat low. Polanskiís a pretty despicable guy.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Yeah, despite being an awful person, Polanski still has the same legal rights as anyone else. I admit I am not an expert on French law, but it sounds pretty illegal to prosecute him in France for a crime he committed elsewhere, especially considering heís already been prosecuted for that crime in the country where it happened. Like, you canít just put someone under house arrest because theyíre a really bad person, you have to have a legal justification. I donít consider saying any of that to be ďPolanski apologismĒ. Honestly, if I was going to blame any country for this whole mess, it would be the US because it sounds like he was able to very easily book a flight out after he had been convicted. Like, they werenít keeping an eye on him? But the blame ultimately lies with Polanski himself and the people within Hollywood and other entertainment industries that continue to support him.

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wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Snowman_McK posted:

That sort of suggests that Wahlberg didn't understand the point of the PR exercise. At best, it was a stupid thing to do. At worst, it was the action of an rear end in a top hat. Since Wahlberg has a history of being an rear end in a top hat, i'm not optimistic.

Also, since Scott just replaced him unilaterally, and then told the studio, I'm not sure the studio wouldn't have tried.

Also, Wahlberg made eighty-something million the other year. He's been a well paid star for decades. Don't treat 'people should be paid for their work' as canon either, especially when doing it for free would have sent a pretty strong message.

Also, again, Wahlberg is a loving rear end in a top hat and has been for years. Why would anyone assume the best of him?

Who is assuming the best of him? It's perfectly fine that he got paid, and Williams would have been entirely justified in asking for the same amount of money. I'm pretty sure everyone knows by now that Wahlberg is an rear end in a top hat and that he only donated it because of the backlash and he would've kept it otherwise. Donating it is still a net good, even though he only did it so he wouldn't look like a dick. It's still more money to help victims, so I'm not too upset over the whole thing. This doesn't mean I think Wahlberg is suddenly a good person.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



I knew people were going to pick out the red/white wine line and try to use that to discredit the rest of the story. I'm not really sure why that line is in there in the first place though, it really does seem like something you would only leave in if you were trying to make fun of the subject, which I presume Babe was not doing. But seizing on some small irrelevant detail is a pretty common tactic in trying to prove that the victim in question is exaggerating/lying/crazy, etc. A lot of people are saying it's the woman's fault for not being more direct, but the guy is 34 years old. If you've made it that long being totally unaware of how your actions affect other people (assuming he actually was unaware and not that he knew and just didn't give a poo poo, which is also pretty likely), then it is nobody else's fault but your own.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



I think a lot of people are thinking "Well, it's not like he raped her! She's making a big deal over nothing," and then just leave it at that because Ansari's behavior is honestly really common, especially among younger guys. With Weinstein and people like that, it's somebody pretty much everyone can point to and recognize as an awful person. Like, a lot of guys can behave pretty terribly, but most of them are not actual serial rapists on the level of Weinstein. However, a lot of guys absolutely will act the way Ansari did in that piece: misread or ignore body language, badger their date for sex until she relents, use dumb moves they obviously learned from porn, and just generally act really desperate and pathetic. I think some people don't want to criticize Ansari because doing so would criticize a lot of "normal" guys who don't think of themselves as rapists or sexual harassers.

I'm reminded of that study where men were asked if they had ever raped someone, and of course the vast majority said no. But when the language was changed to something a little less confrontational, such as "Have you ever pressured someone into sex or repeatedly asked them?", suddenly a whole lot more men were saying they had. Right now, a lot of this stuff has been focused on individuals, but locking the really bad guys away isn't actually going to solve the underlying issue here. People are willing to point to a guy like Weinstein and go on about how awful and disgusting and horrible he is, but most of them are not interested in reflecting on their own behavior in their everyday lives.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Tars Tarkas posted:

I'm betting at least some of the women defending Aziz are because they've been in similar uncomfortable situations and don't want to go down a path that means they have to admit to themselves they were sexually assaulted. And some of those situations might not be sexual assault, just people who can't communicate because US society is entirely stupid on sexuality and communications. This is way more nuanced than "bad man did bad thing" but it isn't something to be easily dismissed or rejected and the people who are doing that are doing just as much as a disservice as the people defending Weinstein et al. Add to that a mixture of clickbait titles and articles on both sides and you got yourself a messy stew. By not focusing on these accusations we are eliminating the potential for a discussion on consent that is needed, but also people will get very defensive about.

Yeah, I had the same feeling about some of the women defending him. Obviously, no one wants to say they've sexually assaulted someone, but there can be a lot of issues around admitting, even just to yourself, that you were assaulted or victimized in some way. That's what I don't get about people thinking these women are just making things up, they really don't realize how hard it can be say that you were a victim.

And it is really exhausting having to put up with guys "figuring out" or "working through" how not to act like this. On the one hand, you're absolutely right that the US and many other places have severely hosed up ideas about relationships, dating, sex, communication, and a bunch of other things. So I can't exactly blame young people for absorbing and acting on this information that is presented to them every day. But it's really depressing that learning not to sexually harass or assault people is basically a growing up process for many men. And a lot of them never learn. If you're a woman, you basically have to just put up with it as a normal thing, because if you do speak out about it you risk getting the type of response this woman is getting. I guess this is why I'm not exactly optimistic about the long-term effects of this whole movement. I think it's great that so many abusers are getting outed, but these people don't just pop into existence. Even if all of these abusers/predators never work again, there will just be a new crop of them in the future.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



porfiria posted:

Not to defend old Aziz, but a friend of mine doesn't like the idea of calling what he did sexual assault because she was sexually assaulted in a much more violent way and she thinks it diminishes the term.

I really do not like this line of thinking at all. What would she call it instead? I don't want to call out your friend over it since I can see where she's coming from, but it's kind of lovely. There's pretty much always going to be someone who has dealt with something worse than you, regardless of what happened. I'm sure your friend would probably be pretty pissed off if someone who had had an even more violent assault told her that her experience didn't count because it wasn't as bad as what she had to deal with, and she would have every right to be angry. If you follow this line of thinking, only the person who has had the absolute worst experience would count, and how would you even determine that?

Like Tars Tarkas said, I can't fully blame someone who thinks like this though. I don't know the specifics of what happened to your friend, but if you are someone who is violently sexually assaulted by some non-famous person, there's a good chance no one is going to give a poo poo or do anything about it. Especially if you're not white. So then someone else comes along and describes an experience with a celebrity that is bad, but not as bad as yours, and now all of a sudden (some) people care and are talking about it. Meanwhile, most people continue to ignore what happened to you. There's a ton of people who have been failed in this way, so I can't really fault someone for having that opinion, even if I think it ultimately contributes to the problem.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



I don't know what the hell the writer was thinking doing this. I think a lot of the criticism towards the story is pretty bullshit, but responding to someone by insulting their physical appearance is basically never a good idea. There are plenty of legitimate things she could've said, but "ur old and have bad hair" just makes her look like an rear end in a top hat.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Seriously. People are going to take the writer of the article acting like this as further evidence against Grace herself. Did she think the CNN anchor was just going to keep her nasty email to herself?

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Here's the writer's full response.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



I remember reading about Dan Schneider years ago and it was pretty awful stuff. Iím glad heís hopefully going down soon. Itís been a long time coming for him.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



21 Muns posted:

I don't really trust the Dan Schneider stuff because his alleged status as a sexual predator is a meme in alt-right spaces like /pol/, it has been since before there was any good reason to think Weinstein-style sexual abuse is so rampant in the entertainment industry, and it's explicitly driven by antisemitism. There may be something legitimate to the allegations against Schneider, but there are so many disingenuous parties targeting him that I'm inclined to dismiss them as conspiracy theories in the absence of really solid evidence. Just for comparison's sake - this isn't like the Ansari case, where the allegations are detailed, recent, and first-person. I don't think this is going anywhere and I'm officially afraid for the future of this movement if it does. If Dan Schneider gets ousted over vague, malicious rumors and Roman Polanski is still off in France making movies, please let me get off of this train.

How exactly are the allegations against Schneider explicitly driven by antisemitism? I've been hearing stuff about this guy for years from various sources, not /pol/ posters. I'm not sure how the fact that most of the allegations involve stuff that happened years ago makes this less believable or more likely to be a conspiracy theory. The alleged victims would have been children when this happened, it doesn't seem weird at all to me that this stuff would come out now that they are adults and no longer working with this guy.

Also, the Jimmy Savile scandal was before all the Weinstein stuff came out, and considering that situation these allegations are not far-fetched at all to me.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



I thought Weinstein, and Spacey to a lesser extent, were pretty widely regarded as rather unpleasant people. The impression I always had of Weinstein before all this stuff came out was that he was a majorly petty rear end in a top hat who also happened to be a powerful figure in Hollywood. I mean this is all stuff from gossip rags and Hollywood Reporter, so not exactly airtight evidence here, but I certainly did not get the impression he was a ďbelovedĒ figure, just a very influential one.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



esperterra posted:

Also I just want to say that, despite the huge amounts of CP found on his computer and that he pled guilty, it's a drat shame Salling killed himself. Suicide is loving terrible and I feel huge sympathy for his family.

Only thing I can really say about it is I hope that's a sign he was regretting his actions. But he should have just done his time and tried to rehabilitate rather than taking his own life. Goddamn tragic when people go to that extreme imo.

Yeah, thatís pretty much my opinion on these things. I agree with you in that I prefer to think people are capable of improving themselves if they genuinely want to, regardless of how often that actually happens. I figure the world is cruel and hateful enough as it is, I donít see it as a bad thing to have a shred of empathy for another person, even if they may not really deserve it. On some level I feel genuinely sorry for a lot of people mentioned in this thread, not in the sense that I think theyíre victims or have been treated unfairly, but their lives as a whole are just really depressing for me to think about.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Radcliffe hasnít just been doing poo poo since HP ended. Swiss Army Man was good! Now You See Me 2 maybe not so much. But yeah, pretty much all of the Harry Potter kids seem to have turned out relatively ok, although I guess they still have plenty of time to go off the rails. I donít know what Rupert Grint is up to these days, but I havenít heard anything negative about him. I guess heís just enjoying being rich as poo poo.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Iíd say if someone was genuinely trying to turn over a new leaf and improve themselves they should get out of the spotlight and do that stuff on their own time and not expect any public accolades or whatever. This Faraci stuff just seems like more self-aggrandizement.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Sucrose posted:

Itís like this guy on reddit, who, in a thread about Harvey Weinstein, said ďWell I worked on one of Harvey Weinsteinís movies once and he was cool and brought us crewpeople some pizza. He didnít seen creepy at all.Ē

I refuse to believe this happened. I donít think Iíve ever seen anyone say a positive thing about Weinsteinís personality. Like basically anytime I read something about him there was always a part about how much of an rear end in a top hat he is. Not just nowadays, but stuff from years ago too.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



PT6A posted:

Wasn't there another actor on that show that went fully bugfuck insane too?

Yeah, the guy who played her friend is pretty crazy and has been arrested a bunch of times. Per his wikipedia: "On December 21, 2018, an episode of The Dr. Phil Show aired focusing on Brown, who appeared confused and delusional. He stated Michael Jackson was his father and that he has four children, two of which he has never met and doesn't know their names or ages."

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Ghost Leviathan posted:

Nickelodeon's live-action shows are not leaving a good legacy.

That was Disney!

I actually can't think of any other Disney Channel shows I watched off the top of my head that starred rapists or sex offenders. I'm sure it's just a matter of time. Or maybe I just have a bad memory.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



The whole thing about Dan Schneider being the father of Jamie Lynnís baby is just a rumor. A pretty long-standing one, but itís certainly not a confirmed truth. Schneiderís gross enough that itís not that crazy, but Iím pretty sure the truth is more boring and that it was just her boyfriend, who if I recall was several years older than her too. That kid has to be at least ten now, I suppose if he looks like Dan Schneider jr. that would be pretty suspicious.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



I think he was also spending like $50k a month on wine. Hell, maybe it was $500k, I can't remember exactly but it was a very large number.

edit: ok, it was actually a mere $30k a month, but he did apparently run up a $1 million bill at a wine store, so.

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wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Snowman_McK posted:

He's also, after years of not ageing at all, suddenly ageing very quickly and badly.

He'd been aging for a while, it's just that he used more and more hats and scarves and bandanas and sunglasses and jewelry and canes, and whatever the gently caress else to distract everyone from the fact he wasn't 30 anymore. Eventually it got to the point where it's just obvious and sad. Being a raging alcoholic probably isn't helping things.

I had a major crush on Johnny Depp when I was 12, right after Pirates of the Caribbean came out. I was super obsessed and watched all the movies of his I could find. Now it's just embarrassing to remember. All the other 12 year old girls were crazy about him too though, so at least it wasn't just me.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



kaworu posted:

Yeah I hate to like... Jump to conclusions and be judgmental, but just generally speaking, if you're an adult with no kids of your own you're pretty goddamn happy when you *don't* have to deal with much younger kids.

Maybe consider just speaking for yourself next time then. Like I get that your opinions are probably based on whatever negative experiences you may have had in the past so I'll refrain from being too judgemental, but the view that men who choose to work or interact with children are inherently untrustworthy is a very bad one. Not least because it places teaching/childcare firmly in the "women's work" category and further absolves men of any responsibility in regards to that.

Drake's a creep because he's texting a 14 year old girl about what kinds of boys she likes, along with a bunch of other weird poo poo, not simply because he's choosing to interact with a child without being coerced into it first. Those are wildly different things.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



kaworu posted:

I don't know who else I'd be speaking for, I thought I made it pretty plain that my distaste for adults who choose to order children around or make them "obedient" for a living is fairly personal, and I'm just fine with standing on my own as disliking the gently caress out of anyone who enjoys ordering children around or thinks that the Public School System in America is an upstanding institution not in need of reform. I'm sure lots of them are lovely people and I always keep an open mind, but that's just me.

Obviously I feel very differently about people who just like to work with kids, or teach things like art/music/literature/liberal arts from the point of view of furthering education.

Ok, well this is not even remotely close to what you originally said. You're free to revise your opinion or whatever, but I think it's pretty understandable I responded to what you literally wrote, instead of assuming you actually meant something completely different. Honestly, I find a lot of your posts in here pretty confusing.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Iím pretty sure Dunham said she acted that way toward her sister well into her teenage years. I might be wrong about that, but I remember reading about it when her book first came out and it was a pattern of behavior, not just one time when she was 7.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Ghost Leviathan posted:

Didn't she write a whole thing about being offended that a black man didn't hit on her in public?

Yeah, she's said a whole lot of monumentally un-self aware stuff. I'm pretty sure not many people regard her as a "cool feminist icon for all" these days, but rather the epitome of the "rich white feminist". It seems like she's just coasting by on goodwill from the first few seasons of Girls. But she/her parents are rich "important" people so she's probably going to be around for a while.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Captain Hotbutt posted:

David Blaine, Founding but Often Forgotten Member of The Pussy Posse, is being investigated.

I'm more shocked that Harmony Korine was apparently in The Pussy Posse. This is actually at least the second time I've found this out and then forgotten about it. It's still just as weird the second time around.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Bernie has only hosed once. There's no need for it anymore.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Davros1 posted:

He was blaming "the liberals" for ABC cancelling "Last Man Standing", and how Hollywood is against "conservative" programs like that.

The stupidest part about that is that his show had six seasons, so I don't know how the gently caress he can go around claiming that the libs had it in for him and oh they're just so mean and unfair. Maybe they cancelled it because it sucked, Tim.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Snowman_McK posted:

There were really good episodes scattered through, and they were, ironically, the more serious ones. The flashback to his awful Catholic upbringing was good.

That one was good, but it was all Tom Noonan.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

I can't decide if his face or his bad chest hair is creepier

It's his smile. It looks like he's at the dentist.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008




The best thing about this is that Carruth actually posted that picture on July 10th. I bet he was kind of disappointed no one bothered to check his twitter for two weeks.

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wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008



Rowling was completely obsessed with hating Jeremy Corbyn. A lot of people were, but she wrote a lot of weird fanfiction on twitter about how terrible and evil he is. At one point she wrote something about how various Potter characters would vote, and apparently Harry was a Corbyn supporter but this was actually supposed to be a dig at Harry about how he's immature. Just very strange stuff.

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