Vegetable posted:

The music industry seems a bit more tolerant of assholes, rapists and pedophiles than the movie industry. I think it's a factor of music not being a visual medium and also the industry being more embracing towards edgy artistic material, which bleeds into a tolerance for the artists behind that kinda poo poo.

Ok Comboomer posted:

There’s already a campaign going to make Burton the host, with some big names pushing for it

Bust Rodd posted:

https://twitter.com/nytimesmusic/status/1429071959149719559?s=21

Bust Rodd posted:

Tarantino is also no stranger to near constant accusations of sexual perversion, it’s really easy to imagine someone like that not wanting to draw attention to it

deoju posted:

From Dusk til Dawn was directed by Robert Rodriguez, but it does have Tarantino sucking whiskey from Selma Hayek's toes.
Skip to 3:08.
https://youtu.be/Naq2DF5aRdM

sponges posted:

Tarintino doesn’t come across as a particularly nice person. He mentioned recently that he doesn’t help out his mom financially because she told him not to be a filmmaker when he was a kid.

Like sure, you don’t want to poo poo on a kids dream but that’s solid advice as most people don’t make it.

Ok Comboomer posted:

Yeah, but he’s an actor in the film, working on a scene that made it to final cut. You’re misrepresenting the context of the filming of those scenes in a major way.

It’s not like Tarantino randomly decided to start sucking Salma Hayek’s toes on-set, or forced her to let him into her trailer so he could demand some quality time with her feet in exchange for keeping her job “because I’m the director”.

He didn’t gratuitously shoot foot scenes for his own enjoyment and then not put them in the final movie. Tarantino doesn’t make actresses send him lewd feet pics as a condition of keeping their job or coerce them into casting couch foot fetish situations.

If a sex scene, or a sexually explicit scene, or a scene with some kind of fetish thing (bondage, paraphilia, etc) is happening onscreen and it was pre-negotiated, and handled professionally, and it makes it into the final film as a plot beat, and everybody who participated in it feels professionally ok about it having happened then it’s not really inappropriate, is it?

Do we feel like Lena Dunham behaved inappropriately on the set of GIRLS by writing sexually explicit scenes between her character and Adam Driver’s?

What about Lars von Trier and the production of Nymphomaniac? Did he take advantage of Charlotte Gainsbourg in an unprofessional manner by filming hours and hours of graphic sex scenes?

When Michael Fassbender jacks off in Shame, is Steve McQueen being unprofessional in getting that shot? What if he was gay or sexually attracted to men who look like Fassbender, would it be inappropriate then?

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Though the movie “Desperado” was released more than two decades ago, actress and producer Salma Hayek still cringes at the sex scene in the 1995 film.

In it, she plays Carolina, a young woman who runs a bookstore cafe in a town where no one reads. Her costar, Antonio Banderas, plays El Mariachi, a revenge-seeking musician who stores guns in his guitar case.

In conversation with Dax Shepard and Monica Padman for the “Armchair Expert” podcast, Hayek recalled that the sex scene in the film — her breakthrough in the English-speaking world — was not originally in the script.

“It was demanded by the studio when they saw the chemistry,” she said during the podcast episode released Monday, “and I had a really hard time with it.”

The decision to move up north for a career in Hollywood, she said, made her the laughing stock of the media in her native country. Hayek, who played the lead in the soap opera “Teresa,” was already a star in Mexico. In the U.S., she was an extra.

And so, when “Desperado” writer-producer-director Robert Rodriguez reached out, she was ecstatic.

“I was so excited to get a job,” Hayek said. “I remember this is a time when it was almost seen as illegal to hire a Mexican in a leading role.”

Even so, Hayek was nervous about the sex scene.

To help put her at ease, Rodriguez and his then-wife, Elizabeth Avellán, who coproduced the film, closed the set. Only she, Banderas and the two producers were present for filming, which had to be done in fits and starts because Hayek cried throughout the process.

Banderas “was super nice and an absolute gentleman,” Hayek said. Avellán had become her best friend, and Rodriguez coached her through the scene.

“But I kept thinking of my father and my brother,” Hayek said. “Are they going to see it? Are they going to get teased?”

During the film screening, the actress escorted them out of the theater for the duration of the scene.

“It’s not that my father is a tyrant,” she added, “but you want him to be nothing but proud of you.”

“When you see that scene, though, can you enjoy it?” Shepard asked Hayek.

“No,” she said.

Hayek went on to earn an Academy Award nomination for her performance in “Frida” (2002), a film she produced.

In a 2017 op-ed for the New York Times, the actress said that former film producer and convicted sex offender Harvey Weinstein attempted to shut down “Frida” unless Hayek agreed to include a full-frontal nude scene. In a statement at the time, he said, “All of the sexual allegations as portrayed by Salma are not accurate.”

When asked about the role sex appeal has played in her career, Hayek told the podcast hosts: “At the beginning of my career, I had to embrace it as a tool, in a protective way.

“I can be myself now,” she added, “but at the beginning you’re disappointed that that’s all they can see.”

King Vidiot posted:

You can enjoy Tarantino's movies while also thinking he's a little bit gross and weird. And also yes, there are plenty of people who go out of their way to let you know that they both don't like him and don't like his movies.

Ok Comboomer posted:

stuff

porfiria posted:

It's super obvious before you know about it tbh.

pentyne posted:

she's now hitched her entire identity to the right wing and claimed all the bad things that have happened to her have been from democrats.

It's not diluting so much as completely drowning it.

ImpAtom posted:

You... are aware that there are literal bucketloads of pictures of GOP politicians with him as well, right?

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

It's all tied together since it was a reaction to the rush of everyone jumping in front of one another to proclaim how big of a fan they were of Norm and what a wonderful person he was. This is also an annoying thing that happens when someone dies. Suddenly everyone was their biggest fan or closest friend.

I saw one of the women mentioned in this thread point out that they only voiced their experience because it was just too much to see days of people insisting that he was a wonderful person. And they co-signed that it was fine if people like his comedy and were going to miss him. He was pretty talented and funny. He just also did some bad poo poo and people excused him of it and that kind of sucks too.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

Barreling straight through controversy is a pretty winning strategy (if you don't mind giving up your soul.)

Skwirl posted:

This isn't an attempt to excuse his actions or anything, but I wonder if Dan Schneider did anything to him when he was a child making Drake and Josh? Most child predators were themselves victims of child abuse or molestation

Skwirl posted:

I don't think so, they'll have a preference, but they aren't picky.

Mob posted:

Probably not the best thread for declarative "all parasocial relationships are bad except this one" considering he literally tweeted "Chris Hardwick has always been good to me and my friends" before Chloe Dykstra replied and he deleted it

Ok Comboomer posted:

If only he’d been to court for it two decades ago

If only Dave Chapelle had made a wildly popular sketch about it and put it on a DVD with record sales

Aces High posted:

Man that episode is a trip 15 years later. Iirc didn't one of the defense lawyer's key points boil down to "sure he probably did but it's R. Kelly, if we send him to jail he won't be able to make amazing music anymore"?

pentyne posted:

isn't that pretty critical of Cosby? When he was going on his pound cake rants he wasn't really getting anything across beyond "pull up your pants and act right" as if that was the only source of black inequality in America. The joke is even "uh, don't take what he says seriously, but philosophically there's something kind of there?"

Snowman_McK posted:

I tried watching Chappelle's show a few years back and holy poo poo the misogyny. There's a few points of pretty dedicated misogyny, but its more that women in the sketches are never anything but props for gags about their tits or asses. You could basically teach the concept of 'objectification' without much more than his show. The only women in his sketches are hos, or girls who he thought were nice but were actually hos and thus worthless.

I don't even think you can call it a blindspot, it ends up coming across as a pretty sincere belief.

RevKrule posted:

Let's bring this fulllllll circleeeeeee!!!!!

https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1442957307172638720

Coffee And Pie posted:

This illustrates my feelings on Cosby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZlQaE4GDUY
Of course that special also had some bonkers offensive stuff on homosexuality so…

Ok Comboomer posted:

of just that bit?

Ok Comboomer posted:

I’m shocked that a judge in Arkansas didn’t roll over for the Duggars. Their relevance and clout must be waning in the Trump era

Ok Comboomer posted:

Zogo posted:

YouTube removes R. Kelly's official channels
https://www.engadget.com/youtube-r-kelly-official-channels-removed-151405251.html

French report: 330,000 children victims of church sex abuse
https://apnews.com/article/europe-france-child-abuse-sexual-abuse-by-clergy-religion-ab5da1ff10f905b1c338a6f3427a1c66

ROYAL FLUSH Queen ‘is spending MILLIONS funding Prince Andrew’s fight against sex abuse allegations’
https://www.the-sun.com/news/3777355/queen-prince-andrew-defence-sex-abuse/

"US television host Katie Couric says she was also a guest at the 2010 dinner at Epstein's £57million townhouse in Manhattan - dubbed "paedo mansion" after he raped underage girls there.

Guests ate lasagne out of shallow bowls and Epstein "held court" in front of the fireplace with Woody Allen and Soon-Yi Previn, George Stephanopoulos and Charlie Rose."

Parrotine posted:

I am a big stan for Dave Chappelle, but I absolutely agree with this.

Dave always does this thing where he likes to paint himself as this wise guru comedian, but a whole lot of his arguments fall flat the moment you do even a little bit of digging around. When he did that R. Kelly bit the whole argument boiled down to 'How old is 15 really?'; the Michael Jackson bits, during the height of MJ's Everyone Hates Him years before he kicked the bucket, always gave him the benefit of the doubt (did this TWICE when you count the recent specials). I even remember his using this comparison about this AA kid getting life in jail for accidentally killing his brother for performing wrestling movies, when no, turns out that kid actually pulled them on his younger sister without consent and said he showed no remorse for killing her.

At the time I remember thinking those routines were air-tight stand up during my High School dumbfuck years, but now it makes me cringe a bit whenever he decides to double down on tidbits like that and build entire philosophical comedy routines around poorly researched news stories to get a laugh.

So I dunno, I'm sort of on the fence with him; I honestly don't think he shows any malice towards the LGBTQ community, but his comedy angle is clearly stuck in the '00s Shock Culture era and he's stubbornly refused to move on past it prior to The Closer special. I'm hoping taking a step back from the spotlight lets him workshop his material so he can deliver the same laughs without relying on the easy jokes to achieve those highs.

And for gently caress'S sake, stop defending Louie C.K. Mr Chappelle, that guy deserves all that heat and smoke.

Parrotine posted:

He's simply too big to 'cancel', his good will is through the loving roof. Despite his routine in his Closer special, he said he's done making LGBT jokes until everyone is on the same page with his jokes; if he comes back after that and still keeps rolling them out, then yeah I'll stick a fork in him, he'll be done in my eyes.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Transphobes are at this point using pretty much exactly the classical anti-semite playbook where they have the right to play, and demand 'debate' and why so serious bro, it's just a joke- but when pressed sufficiently they will fall silent and close ranks because it's not fun for them anymore.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It's never been difficult to update your material to modern sensibilities. Plenty of people manage it. The rich assholes just don't want to re-immerse themselves and learn anything new.

DC Murderverse posted:

Once a stand-up turns 40 they get zapped with a laser beam that makes them unfunny

40’s not a hard limit but it’s almost impossible to age and remain funny as a comedian. You either grow out of touch with your success, bitter with your failure, or soft with your relative comfort. That’s when the smart ones move into their next stage, whether that’s voice acting, stepping into dramatic acting, writing books, podcasting, or whatever. The less smart ones still have people offering money for a while so they keep doing specials as you can watch them age out of relevance in real time.

Edit: George Carlin somehow avoided the beam but he was still a very different, much angrier comedian in his older age than he was when he was younger. He just had the good sense to know who to be angry at.

Skwirl posted:

Led Zeppelin basically kidnapped a girl for a week and nothing happened.

edogawa rando posted:

Pepsi making lovely ads is 100% on brand anyway. That ad doesn't even come close to this loving masterpiece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGkKuFwR0IM


Holly Walsh put it quite nicely when she was on one of Charlie Brooker's shows - "Pepsi, the soda for the crafty rapist!"

I showed this to one of my classes when we were looking at women's representation in contemporary media. Imagine a class full of teenage girls, and every single one of them is doing this:

Timeless Appeal posted:

Also Leno was on for years so no accounting for taste.

I also don’t think people should jump to conclusions that a story is dead. The Sanz stuff was not a well researched Farrowesque takedown or a criminal investigation. It was reporting on a lawsuit. That doesn’t diminish the claims, but there is nothing else to report besides the lawsuit. You do have to look at what happens in the longrun. There was a bunch of dead silence on Cuomo’s accusers and then one day it all came crashing down.

edogawa rando posted:

"the fact that she's consistently contradicted herself should indicate how big a pinch of salt is needed when hearing that story." I'd say supporting evidence or someone to corroborate her statements may be needed.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Bowie did gently caress a few underage girls back in the day, but the one that seems to be mentioned the most is the least reliable, and IMO, undermines actual victims from that period.