Sexual Assault and the Culture of Hollywood

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Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Zogo posted:

More women come forward with sexual assault and harassment allegations against Harry Knowles
https://www.avclub.com/more-women-come-forward-with-sexual-assault-and-harassm-1818827581

Completely unsurprising that he did it.

Am a little surprised people took him seriously enough that such a pathetically lame try hard was able to intimidate people into silence.

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 10:39

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Detective No. 27 posted:

"...But... but it's a dry heat!!"

-Anyone who hasn't been to Arizona in the summer.

This city should not exist. It's a monument to man's arrogance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PYt0SDnrBE

# ¿ Dec 26, 2017 11:27

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

DrVenkman posted:

Yeah I mean Landis just comes across as someone who demands to be heard. Even after being told no.

Also, his thoughts that his AMERICAN WEREWOLF remake will have more to 'explain' about those locals in the pub who were clearly aware of the wolf stalking the moors is exactly what's wrong with modern screenwriting. The original movie explains everything that it needs to because that poo poo isn't important to the story.

Is what's good storytelling timeless and universal? Maybe what's important to the story to one generation is different from what's important to a previous generation.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2017 00:35

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

El Gallinero Gros posted:

http://www.cracked.com/article_25311_a-forgotten-show-warned-us-about-harvey-weinstein-in-1999.html

Huh. Shame it was such a crap show, people might have clued in. Then again, maybe not.

Wow, that is right on the nose!

# ¿ Dec 29, 2017 06:43

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Well, I might be spinning wild theories here, but maybe if he hadn't raped a bunch of people he wouldn't have felt the need to hang himself.

https://www.google.co.kr/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/12/actors-suicide-triggers-backlash-against-metoo-movement-south/amp/

quote:

Actor�s suicide triggers backlash against #MeToo movement in South Korea

Julian Ryall
12 MARCH 2018 � 5:45 AM

The suicide of a leading South Korean actor accused of sexual assault has triggered a backlash against the nation�s growing #MeToo movement, with critics charging that it has devolved into a witch hunt that promotes prejudice against men.

Jo Min-ki hanged himself in the basement of his apartment building in Seoul on Friday afternoon. Mr Jo, 52, was best known for his roles in a number of television series, including �Love and Ambition�, but had been fired in February from his position as a drama professor at Cheongju University after eight women came forward to allege that he had raped and sexually assaulted them.

Mr Jo was due to turn himself in to police for questioning on Monday morning and left a six-page suicide note in which he apologised to his family and students, local media reported, although the police have declined to release the full contents of the note.

On Friday, an Instagram post by Yoo Ah-in, another actor, showed images of people being burned at the stake in medieval Europe, provoking a storm of on-line criticism from supporters of the #MeToo campaign.

The Facebook of one of the women who accused Mr Jo of sexual assault has also been inundated �with malicious comments�, the Korea Herald reported, with posters insisting she was responsible for the actor�s death and that she should have filed a legal complaint rather than making her allegations via social media sites.

Some have also taken issue with Moon Jae-in, the South Korean president, with an online petition filed on the web site of the Presidential Office demanding that he attend Mr Jo�s funeral.

Mr Moon has been an outspoken advocate of the #MeToo movement, calling on the police and government agencies to investigate any allegation of abuse.

�You should have been more careful before participating in the #MeToo movement�, the petition states. �Because of your words, the life of Jo Min-ki has been lost.

�You should attend Mr Jo�s funeral. He is also a citizen of South Korea�.

Mr Jo is one of the highest-profile figures accused of wrongdoing as the campaign continues to ripple through South Korean society.

Ahn Hee-jung, the former governor of South Chungcheong Province and tipped as a future presidential candidate, surrendered himself to prosecutors in Seoul on Friday to answer allegations that he raped two members of his staff.

Min Byung-doo, a politician of the ruling Democratic Party of Korea, announced over the weekend that he would be stepping down after a woman claimed he had forcibly kissed here after a dinner event in 2010.

South Korea�s #MeToo campaign took off in January, when Seo Ji-hyeon, a prosecutor, accused a senior official from the Ministry of Justice of groping her at a funeral when he was drunk. It has since swept up numerous public figures, including Ko Un, a poet who has been tipped for the Nobel Prize for Literature, and Kim Ki-duk, an award-winning film director.

# ¿ Mar 12, 2018 10:00

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

peer posted:

I'd rather miss art from lovely people than support them, thanks

That covers more than 99% of all the art ever made.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2018 13:08

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Snowman_McK posted:

Can you really not see the massive gap between someone exagerrating their characterisitics in a drunken conversation ('I pretty much invented that') and deliberately misleading someone about WHAT YOUR JOB IS and HOW YOU KNOW THEM for YEARS?

I capitalised the bits that I feel are important.

Hasn't this standard been used in Israel to persecute Palestinians? "He said he was Jewish!"

# ¿ Jul 13, 2018 06:08

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Hat Thoughts posted:

wtf does that have to do with anything

The topic was lying and consent, so I brought up an instance of the law saying that lying negates consent and the results.

# ¿ Jul 13, 2018 07:28

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Anyways, to get back more on topic, this is super hosed up

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jul/12/mira-sorvino-casting-director-gagged-me-with-a-condom-at-16

# ¿ Jul 13, 2018 07:59

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Bust Rodd posted:

If you wanna blow your mind as a US citizen try talking to UK folks who�ve got a normalized 16 year old age of consent in 2019. I feel like it�s way more common to just openly date teens as an adult over there, but that�s only anecdotal from the handful of British friends I have.

27 states have an age of consent of 16, including all of New England, so it's not just red states, so why would any American's mind be blown?

# ¿ Mar 13, 2019 02:11

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Holy crap! KPop apocalypse has arrived!

Big Bang was the biggest male group of the first half of the 10s.
This scandal has been in the news for weeks, but it was unknown how much Seungri was involved in the running of this club. The staff was giving girls roofies and bringing them to back rooms where they'd call up VIPs to come rape them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/12/entertainment/seungri-big-bang-burning-sun-kpop-scandal-intl/index.html

Also this guy just got busted for filming girls without their permision and putting videos online. That's become an epidemic here.

Other bigger stars rumored to be involved here. If one of those girls is really a member of TWICE this country is going to melt down

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/mar/13/k-pop-scandal-widens-as-singer-retires-after-sharing-secretly-filmed-sex-videos

Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Mar 13, 2019

# ¿ Mar 13, 2019 10:31

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Getting back to the issue of sexual assault/harassment and video...

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/20/asia/south-korea-hotel-spy-cam-intl/index.html

quote:

Hundreds of motel guests were secretly filmed and live-streamed online
CNN Digital Expansion 2017. James Griffiths
By Sophie Jeong and James Griffiths, CNN

Updated 0851 GMT (1651 HKT) March 21, 2019

Seoul (CNN)About 1,600 people have been secretly filmed in motel rooms in South Korea, with the footage live-streamed online for paying customers to watch, police said Wednesday.

Two men have been arrested and another pair investigated in connection with the scandal, which involved 42 rooms in 30 accommodations in 10 cities around the country. Police said there was no indication the businesses were complicit in the scheme.

In South Korea, small hotels of the type involved in this case are generally referred to as motels or inns.

Cameras were hidden inside digital TV boxes, wall sockets and hairdryer holders and the footage was streamed online, the Cyber Investigation Department at the National Police Agency said in a statement.

The site had more than 4,000 members, 97 of whom paid a $44.95 monthly fee to access extra features, such as the ability to replay certain live streams. Between November 2018 and this month, police said, the service brought in upward of $6,000.

"There was a similar case in the past where illegal cameras were (secretly installed) and were consistently and secretly watched, but this is the first time the police caught where videos were broadcast live on the internet," police said.

South Korea has a serious problem with spy cameras and illicit filming. In 2017, more than 6,400 cases of illegal filming were reported to police, compared to around 2,400 in 2012.

Last year, tens of thousands of women took to the streets of Seoul and other cities to protest against the practice and demand action, under the slogan "My Life is Not Your Porn."

In response, Seoul launched a special squad of women inspectors who have been conducting regular inspections of the city's 20,000 or so public toilets to search for spy cameras, though some critics have denounced the move as a superficial response to a societal issue.

Lee Ji-soo, a computer specialist who helps women scrub the web of images taken without their consent, told CNN last year her company had seen a surge in demand since the protests drew attention to the issue.

"The most common things that the clients are saying -- and they are quite heartbreaking -- are 'I want to die' or 'I cannot leave my house.' Especially the victims of spy cam or illegally taken videos say that when they encounter people on the street, they feel like they would be recognized," she said.

In January, the co-owner of a South Korean revenge porn site was sentenced to four years in prison and ordered to pay a fine of $1.26 million. Soranet, which was shut down last year, was a popular site for uploading videos and photos taken using hidden and upskirt cameras.

Editor's note: This story has been updated to note the size of the accommodations involved and that in South Korea small hotels are typically referred to as motels.

# ¿ Mar 24, 2019 03:56

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Alan Smithee posted:

It was the small handed man who did it!

Trump would never get his hands dirty like that

# ¿ Jul 26, 2019 02:00

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Polanski nominated for 12 awards

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51301829?ocid=socialflow_twitter

quote:

Film director Roman Polanski, who was convicted of statutory rape in 1977, has swept the nomination list for the 45th C�sar awards for French cinema, sparking outrage.

Polanski's film An Officer and a Spy, or J'accuse in French, received 12 nominations at the awards, which are the French equivalent of the Oscars.

The Polish-French director fled the US after his rape conviction in the 1970s.

He has since faced other accusations of sexual assault.

Alain Terzian, the head of the C�sars, defended Polanski's nominations, arguing that the body "should not take moral positions" in giving awards.

However, C�line Piques, spokeswoman for French feminist organisation Osez le F�minisme (Dare to be Feminist) told French TV channel LCI: "I am shocked. The 400 cinema professionals who voted for this nomination have applauded Polanski with 12 nominations - 12 is also the number of women today who accuse Roman Polanski of rape. This is not the field of morality, this is the field of justice."

The slow-burning Polanski saga
An Officer and a Spy is about the Dreyfus affair, a political scandal in France in the late 1800s which saw a French Jewish army officer wrongly convicted of spying. In September, the film won the Grand Jury Prize at the Venice Film Festival.

Two months later, however, French former actress Valentine Monnier accused Polanksi of an "extremely violent" assault and rape in 1975, when she was aged 18, in the latest in a series of sexual assault accusations against the director.

Monnier said that the release of Polanski's most recent film had prompted her to speak out.

This is not the first time the C�sars have faced controversy because of Polanski. In 2017, he was picked to head the award's jury, but stepped down after the move sparked outrage.

...

# ¿ Jan 30, 2020 00:41

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

DrVenkman posted:

I only just heard about her severing the tip off his finger. That audio is something else though, mocking Depp for trying to get help. She talks like an abuser.

WTF?

# ¿ Feb 3, 2020 01:14

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Holy Hell this is horrifying.

This also made me realize why I find Gigi such an uncomfortable film. The movie presents a horrifying concept (child grooming) as something light hearted. It's like making a romantic comedy about the life of Ted Bundy.

President Cleavland married his ward when he was in the Whitehouse and America thought it was the most romantic fairytale ever at the time.

# ¿ Apr 8, 2021 12:19

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

AceOfFlames posted:

And this is after they decided to cut a scene involving Pepe Le Pew learning about consent. So apparently that�s bad but adding a bunch of actual rapists to your crowd scene is fine.

The way the scene is described they should have kept him in the movie. Would love to see him get consequences for his bad behavior.

# ¿ Apr 8, 2021 15:13

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Magic Hate Ball posted:

Scott Rudin is a famous piece of poo poo and I hope he dies, along with the cultural notion that people in any position of power can act however they like.

https://twitter.com/RaminSetoodeh/status/1383963428377665545

# ¿ Apr 19, 2021 09:10

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

https://mobile.twitter.com/katierosman/status/1385220565351505920

# ¿ Apr 22, 2021 16:01

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Shady Amish Terror posted:

Communication is difficult even when everyone largely agrees on everything. I would say, as the thread often verges on derailing on the topic,

Doesn't the fact that everyone agree cause the derails? If everyone believes X is bad and should be punished there's not much more to say on the topic and people will search for other related things to discuss. One of which will be "Why"?

# ¿ May 7, 2021 16:52

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Skwirl posted:

And in fact when I googled her to make sure I was spelling her name right the top result is her saying the backlash makes her not want to ever do another magazine cover.

If you read the article it say she was overwhelmed and scared by the immensity of the positive response.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/billie-eilish-vogue-cover-reaction-173400970.html

# ¿ May 13, 2021 14:35

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

I thought this was an interesting article that touches on the tooic of the trade as portrayed in some classic films.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NewYorker/status/1395189162605748225

# ¿ May 20, 2021 13:54

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1395683403161391106

# ¿ May 21, 2021 11:25

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

MadDogMike posted:

For a second I read that as Chris Hanson and thought To Catch a Predator had suddenly become REALLY ironic in retrospect.

Same

# ¿ May 30, 2021 02:39

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Pappyland posted:

I dunno. There�s a non-zero chance he gets a trial re-do when the PA Supreme Court comes back with his appeal sometime in the next couple months. 😩

On what grounds?

# ¿ May 31, 2021 01:54

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

Tariq is a hotep elemential and recently came out with a documentary about how being gay was invented in the 1400s as part of a conspiracy to weaken black men, or something similarly insane.

The idea of homosexuality as a sexual identity was developed in the 19th century. Why not just go with that?

# ¿ Jul 10, 2021 13:40

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

What do you all think of the The Last Duel trailer that came out?

I remember this movie was announced there was a lot of online pushback, that it was a terrible film idea for the moment and antithetical to the Me Too movement, but now that the trailer is out I see a lot of articles saying it's very timely and representative of the Me Too movement.

# ¿ Jul 24, 2021 03:53

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

pentyne posted:

What the gently caress? The story is literally about a women who was raped who refused to recant her accusation when there was a ton of pressure to do so, and the end result being if her husband lost the duel she would be burned alive as a liar. The historical curiosity came from the fact that neither her nor her husband bent to pressure to drop it leading to an actual duel to the death sanctioned by the King himself.

I don't know what liberties the film is taking, but the book was real clear that despite any ambiguity in the historical record the most likely scenario was that she was raped and the assailant expected to get away with it. There's mention of the societal culture at the time and how women being attacked by knights were usually accused of tempting them and the 'trials' basically consisted of someone saying they say her smile at him one time, and the court ruling that she was a willing participant.

This was the general feeling of the time
https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2019/07/23/ben-affleck-matt-damon-the-last-duel/

quote:

Yeah, it�s safe to say that a movie that uses rape as a plot device to explore medieval manliness is probably not the best look at this moment in time, especially given Affleck and Damon�s reputations around issues related to women

# ¿ Jul 24, 2021 09:28

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/1419178680480378883

# ¿ Jul 25, 2021 10:44

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Wow, I thought this guy would never see consequences

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1420133167864893440

# ¿ Jul 28, 2021 11:15

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

https://twitter.com/sam_rosenfeld/status/1424416290589102081

# ¿ Aug 9, 2021 03:54

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Basebf555 posted:

Of course they're like "It's impossible because Dylan wasn't in New York during that time. Wellllll, he was in New York for a few days but his wife was pregnant then and he was seeing several other women during that time blah blah blah"

In other words it was totally possible.

It says he was in NY for maybe a day or two, not a few. It says if he was in NY he stayed somewhere else and had a film crew following him making a documentary. I would think that the film crew would allow his movements to be traced and prove or disprove the rest of the biographers statements.

# ¿ Aug 18, 2021 14:50

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

https://twitter.com/theeashleyray/status/1428354387936567310

# ¿ Aug 20, 2021 09:22

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1432637295513976834

# ¿ Aug 31, 2021 10:37

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1437370752664313857

# ¿ Sep 13, 2021 12:25

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Alan Smithee posted:

https://twitter.com/lawcrimenews/status/1440736607494041606

Self described? If you had to fake being the great grandson of a star from the 20-30s, why would you pick Moe Howard?

# ¿ Sep 23, 2021 12:08

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

This isn't Hollywood, but it's important. A huge sexual assault scandal has been rocking the NHL for a while and there's a big thread in the sports forum about it.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3971794&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

# ¿ Nov 18, 2021 11:06

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Kaiju Cage Match posted:

Hmmm, maybe paleontology is free from sexual assault.

(I doubt it)

Absolutely not. There are big problems because men still run like 90% of the digs and those digs are out in really isolated places.

# ¿ Nov 19, 2021 15:50

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Alan Smithee posted:

https://twitter.com/makvest/status/1460666599032066052?s=21

Wasn't that the site that turned out didn't actually have any women on it? Or am I thinking of a different dating/cheating website?

# ¿ Nov 24, 2021 04:19

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 10:39

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Skwirl posted:

Ehhhh, NFL is loving evil, but I think at least NCAA, IOC, and definitely FIFA are worse.

NHL covered up one of their own players getting assaulted. The NFL seems run of the mill.

# ¿ Dec 17, 2021 05:01

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