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Southpaugh posted:Francos said things along the lines of "I'm gay right up until the point of sex" before, which ofc is horseshit. He's just a loving a creep.
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# ¿ Jan 26, 2018 11:59 |
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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 07:49 |
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exquisite tea posted:While "separate the work from the artist" is a comforting thought and I totally understand why people say that, it's uneasier but perhaps more truthful to admit that we don't get to pick and choose what elements of a person inform the works they create, it all arrives in one discrete package. And it's more uncomfortable still to consider that the output of someone like Louis CK is unique and noteworthy BECAUSE of their personal failings as people, rather than in spite of it. Like, it would be clean and convenient to believe that Polanski's pedophilia never once influenced any aspect of his filmmaking, or that it only informed the aspects we didn't like, but it would also be extraordinarily naive to think that. I don't really have a good answer for this other than to say that art entangles the whole effort of the individual, both the noble and the hosed up, and you can't just isolate them whenever it's helpful to preserve your own sense of morality In any case, aside from what you wrote above, there is always the fact that the artist which you're supposedly separating the work from might still be benefiting from you consuming their product - and even if they somehow don't, you might still be supporting the corporate culture which allowed them to keep working despite their crimes.
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# ¿ Feb 8, 2018 16:07 |
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chitoryu12 posted:When it comes to a collaborative effort like a film, I'm also loathe to try and erase it from history or retroactively condemn it because it's not a sole creation by one person. Roman Polanski was one of (according to IMDB) 41 actors and 84 crew members who put the film together. As terrible as he is, I'm sure the rest of the 125 people who worked on the film didn't assist him in his raping and deserve credit and recognition for their own contributions. That said, at least Chinatown might be defensible to "support" given that it predates Polanski being outed as a child rapist, since his collaborators might legitimately not have known. Assuming that you watching the movie doesn't put money into his pockets.
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# ¿ Feb 8, 2018 16:56 |
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James Woods Fan posted:But what does Lars von Trier think? Someone call Lars von Trier.
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# ¿ Feb 11, 2018 22:07 |
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Vegetable posted:What does it mean to be Single White Female'd by somebody, I still don't understand
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# ¿ Mar 1, 2018 20:16 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:separating celebs down with a gradation like a list and a minus list is bizarre. just use letters.
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# ¿ Mar 13, 2018 12:53 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:i think a/b/c/d (and z if you wanna be real mean) works fine. Basebf555 posted:I think there's also a distinction between regular A list, and Permanent A List, which some celebrities reach and then they get a free pass on the A list for life. Like Seth Rogan was regular A list about ten years ago, when he was starring in multiple movies every year, how he's kinda faded a bit and I'd probably not call him A list anymore. But guys like Bruce Willis or Al Pacino are always A list regardless of how much direct to video schlock they put out.
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# ¿ Mar 13, 2018 14:09 |
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Magic Hate Ball posted:He's always been an edgy iconoclast
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# ¿ Mar 16, 2018 23:23 |
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Iconoclasty isn’t anathema to moral turpitude, martyrdom, or just garden variety wrongheadedness. Gilliam absolutely believes himself to be tilting at an oppressive institution, that doesn’t mean he isn’t a clod.
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# ¿ Mar 17, 2018 08:25 |
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exquisite tea posted:What Gilliam is saying isn't even ideological, it's just loving heinous and wrong.
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# ¿ Mar 17, 2018 10:41 |
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exquisite tea posted:What I mean is that Gilliam's statements are not in any way ideologically consistent with "tilting at oppressive institutions" or w/e, they're just wrong.
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# ¿ Mar 17, 2018 13:32 |
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, my takeaway was that he was filming those Netflix specials right as MeToo was taking off and his initial reaction was "Oh, that guy's evil but some of this is too far..." and then he kind of started to say "...wait, am I part of the problem?" and then he was done. I'm kind of curious to see if he took the next step. I don't know how the dude is in private, but I could see it being the case that he's simply far more able to lay his cards on the table in the setting of doing a comedy special than having a heart to heart with someone on the subject - explaining why he goes through his entire thought process (including making it clear that he doesn't think he has the right answer) instead of making the usual definitive statement that dismisses the idea that the comedian could ever be wrong about anything.
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# ¿ Apr 9, 2018 14:18 |
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I just want to point out that these cases aren't about cops infiltrating criminal gangs and accidentally ending up in relationships with suspects during a lengthy undercover assignment* - they're about a deliberate tactic, employed by the state, to infiltrate political groups that threaten the status quo. As in cops going into their undercover work with the explicit intent to establish sexual relationships and even have kids, as part of their infiltration of these groups. Like, this basically comes down to where you stand on the rape by deception question, because the guy literally having the power of the state support his deception definitely satisfies the consent being based on deliberately false information. *Which is ethically fraught enough.
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# ¿ Jun 12, 2018 18:14 |
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DrVenkman posted:There's also an issue in that the French feminism movement can be... questionable at times, and some of their reaction to #metoo has been interesting to say the least. *I wouldn't be surprised if this was true for non-American movements in general, though it seems like a it'd be a bigger issue in more culturally assimilated countries. DrVenkman posted:I mean, it's not that surprising that these places were welcoming of Polanski after he went on the run (and continued to enjoy his particular lifestyle because hey, it's what the Europeans do).
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# ¿ Sep 29, 2018 21:39 |
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DeimosRising posted:Would you mind explaining what you’re referring to Anyway, this liberal American approach unsurprisingly failed to serve the needs of a lot of women, so feminism in the US eventually evolved into a more intersectional direction as a result - with a lot of criticism directed at the previous waves. Which is entirely fair, but clearly you shouldn't just take those criticisms and direct them at a movement with an entirely different history. Like, there's probably still a lot of useful lessons from the modern American movements, but it probably doesn't make much sense to critique a socialist feminist movement for not caring about working class women. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Oct 6, 2018 |
# ¿ Oct 6, 2018 19:28 |
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DeimosRising posted:I guess I’m not sure what this has to do with the muted response to sexual harassment/assault in the European film industries so I didn’t understand it as a response to the post you quoted
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# ¿ Oct 13, 2018 19:03 |
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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 07:49 |
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Alhazred posted:That's not more accurate or better. Calling it "child pornography" makes it worse for the victims because it's using the same terms that the abuser uses and because it is not something rthat any sane person would think of as pornography. It's better to call it for what it is "documented child abuse".
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# ¿ Jul 14, 2019 21:39 |