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Hat Thoughts
Jul 27, 2012


Predicting a lot of real bad takes from comedians on this Franken one

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Jul 27, 2012


Rhyno posted:

Why? Because he's one of them? Have a lot of comedians been defending Louie?

Cuz he used the "It's just a joke" excuse & when a comedian says that Adam Carolla, Penn Jilette and Jim Norton appear like Bloody Mary

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Jul 27, 2012



https://twitter.com/GlynnMacN/status/932733897015783424

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Jul 27, 2012



Lil silly that Morgan Spurlock thinks he's someone's hero

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Jul 27, 2012


https://twitter.com/VioletPaley/status/950252181965410304

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Jul 27, 2012


STAC Goat posted:

It was something about how he read that Caitlyn Jenner might pose naked in SI and while he respects her choices and everything she's been through "but yucky." Something like that but it was obviously more of a journey and he ultimately does like 20 minutes around that, the reactions, and his reactions. He defends himself a bunch, makes some more jokes including some about him hooking up with a transgender lady when he was younger, and then ends up with a story about reading a letter from a young transgender fan who was hurt by it and it affecting him and making him rethink things.

The person who wrote the letter wrote a thing about how they feel Chapelle misrepresented them fyi
https://medium.com/@tylergfoster/i-wrote-dave-chappelle-a-letter-about-his-terrible-transgender-jokes-55478970b9f

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Jul 27, 2012


Al Borland Corp. posted:

Maybe it's an I am Spartacus thing

Yeah it's that

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/twitter-protects-media-men-harpers_us_5a56a2f5e4b08a1f624b382b?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004

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Jul 27, 2012


https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/954574729943404544

Hmmm...is that right Bill Maher? 👀

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Jul 27, 2012



So in this metaphor Woody Allen is...?

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Jul 27, 2012


predatory navel gazing is not that interesting

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Jul 27, 2012


precision posted:

Pretty sure nobody sane is saying Ansari raped that woman. Not sure why you're hung up on that point.

I get why ppl do it but it's so counter-productive getting worked up refuting an argument that exists somewhere. Like, why swat at ghosts? if someone here is saying something, sure, address it, but you're not constructing an opinion by continually adding to a list of things u disagree with

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Jul 27, 2012


Analytic Engine posted:

There was some story about Grint buying an ice cream van, so hopefully that worked out since Domhnall Gleeson locked down 100% of the ginger acting market.

SAM was a great weird indie movie with a great weird performance by Radcliffe, and they shot in the most beautiful forests on Earth (Humboldt County).



Unrelated: David Thorpe is also from Eureka CA and wrote a few articles about Humboldt life.
http://www.somethingawful.com/news/the-friend/

So am I & while this is absolutely not the thread for this discussion...Humboldt ftw

Hat Thoughts fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Feb 27, 2018

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Jul 27, 2012



Oof the actual interview is not any better

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hollywood-director-gilliam-hits-metoo-mob-rule-112742135.html

quote:

"It's how you deal with power -- people have got to take responsibility for their own selves."
Human beings, he said, "are physical creatures. There is touching and there is grabbing, that is the problem.

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Jul 27, 2012


Bust Rodd posted:

Reminder, if you can’t appreciate great things accomplished by lovely people:

John Lennon beat his kids
MLK Jr. abused his wife
Ghandi was almost certainly a pedophile

The point is not to forgive these people for their crimes, the point is that these people made amazing things happen in our world while also being deeply flawed and human.

Ignoring the brilliant works of Terry Gilliam from 30 years ago because of his bad opinions today doesn’t hurt him at all, just like how not listening to a Beatles record today doesn’t hurt John Lennon at all, it just deprives you of his music.

That said, you can’t separate the art from the artist because it’s their views and personality that shape their art and inform it, so in all likelihood we have their work not in spite of, but because of the way their terrible attitudes shaped their own worldview into something people could resonate with and appreciate.

But no, go ahead, you’re really showing Terry Gilliam who is boss by not watching 12 Monkeys (while posting about it on a computer made with precious metals mined by orphans from Africa). If you want to displace your ethics that badly, well, you can start by moving into the woods and finding a cave to sleep in. Taking your stand against Hollywood and all its injustices against rich Hollywood actors feels great and is way easier to than confronting identical issues of exploitation that might affect you personally, like your clothes and personal electronics all being made by child slaves in sweatshops.

Brazil sucks though, that’s no big loss, but Fear & Loathing owns bones and basically everyone from that movie is a confirmed wife-beating scumbag or generally gross person, it’s still probably my most watched film of all time by a truly hilarious margin.

Allowing that this may be addressed in the latter half of htis post that i shall not read because I find ur avatar extremely unpleasant my advice for u is
- cite ur sources - there's no reason 2 use "abused" in place of "cheated on" - nobody cares about John Lennon - clean up ur act!!

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Jul 27, 2012


Bust Rodd posted:

Yeah cheating on your wife isn’t abusing them you’re right (rolls eyes so hard they pop out so skull)... lol amazing and actually if you read this thread then yes someone did say they were not going to watch his films.

Really the mental gymnastics of “MLK cheating on his wife isn’t abuse but your avatar upsets me!” is like insanely impressive, do you live in a soap bubble or a glass house?

Also more people care about John Lennon that Terry Gilliam.

U should be clear in ur language use Bust Rodd

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Jul 27, 2012


Bust Rodd posted:

Eye shud use cleerur langwaje ok bud

Hmm well I'll try 2 explain clearly - altho my prejudice towards le epic racist Vrchat meme avatar may be blinding me I don't like the vagueness of using "abuse" 2 condemn someone when "cheated" is significantly more accurate. Although, benefit of the doubt, maybe ur just not savvy enough to realize the various loaded connotations that 'abuse" has in this context even w/o u sandwiching MLK between John Lennon beating children & Ghandi (potentially) being a pedophile [which is why I said "cite your sources" not w/e movie watching thing that I literally did not read in your post because...]
Anyways, I'm sorry nobody cares about John Lennon anymore.

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Jul 27, 2012


starkebn posted:

David Bowie hosed underage (consenting?) girls
14 year old women cant consent

Origami Dali posted:

Yeah, along w every other rock star from the past 50 years.
agreed...eliminate the rockists

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Jul 27, 2012


Tornhelm posted:

Also as she said, it was the 70's and they were probably both on drugs at the time. Robin Williams is a non-story as they were co-stars and she's clearly stated it wasn't non-consensual or a case of him abusing his power or anything like that.

Now if you start hearing stories about him abusing kids, drugging or casting couching his co-stars, then you can start acting self-righteous about denouncing him, but when its consensual then all you're doing is virtue signalling.

Lol @"virtue signaling" & she didn't say it was "consensual" (which would require - consent - & not saying "I didn't think it was a big deal retroactively even though I'm writing them into my memoirs"). Also, it being the 70s absolutely informs the power dynamic & Williams absolutely abused that power dynamic. You don't have to think it's a big deal if you don't think it is, there's no obligation to feel any specific way about this. But it's important not to misrepresent the reality of the situation.

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Jul 27, 2012


Electric Bugaloo posted:

That's fair, but "Therefore if we are ethical we must relegate Robin Williams to the dustbin of memory" doesn't really seem to track either.

I just don't see that as a practical fear, it's not like Song of The South has vanished from people's consciousness despite Disney's efforts to sweep it under the rug
I mean, historically, the people actually in danger of being erased or muted out of history have always been those within marginalized communities, those who have long operated within the dominant culture r usually fine. I mean that's the whole concept behind #Metoo right? Like, finally recognizing a voice and a history that's been papered over or effectively ignored.

My feelings are that it's important to make these issues heard, immediately remove people who actively create or perpetuate danger for others within their workplace and, vitally, the various structures that allow them to do so. But on the individual level of engaging w/ a lovely human who makes good art that's really up to each person. In the abstract I believe in separating the art from the artist but deciding where you draw that line is always gonna depend on an individual's sensitivities. I don't think I'd really feel comfortable engaging w/ The Cosby Show or Cosby's standup, but at the same time I think someone saying, "I loved The Cosby Show when I was a kid and it means something to me regardless of my feelings towards Cosby" or, "I see value in watching Cosby's standup because it's so important and the foundation for so many comics" is just as valid as I am

So, whether or not they should redub Aladdin seems like...their call, y'know? Like, let's say a ton of stuff comes out about Williams, Disney's a company so for them it's probably gonna come down to a business decision. Is Aladdin falling out of favor because less people are comfortable watching it? Is it less loved because every time someone talks about it they throw in an asterisk & Disney by association gets attached 2 the crimes? Seems like those would be the general sort of questions they'd have to deal with, but they're like, y'know, business calls.
I don't think any particular good comes out of acting like nothing ever happened

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Jul 27, 2012


DC Murderverse posted:

guys, lets stop ragging on someone who has stupid opinions about hollywood, because guess who else has stupid opinions about hollywood:

https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/978712234519138306

that's right, Sean Penn: Novelist & Poet Extraordinaire.

lmao the quotes in the article r so embarassing


DrVenkman posted:

Though I'm no fan of Penn, that story is likely bullshit. The first report on it was literally from a tabloid newspaper here in the UK. The police confirmed they were called to the residence but there was nothing to see. Madonna denied anything happened at the time and again stated nothing more than a petty argument occurred between them under oath not so long ago. No doubt Penn is probably a lovely partner, but I don't think he tied up Madonna and beat her as is usually claimed.

Gawker (who else?) did probably the most comprehensive look at this (http://gawker.com/did-sean-penn-beat-up-madonna-an-archaeology-of-hollyw-1748746261) & while there's ambiguity around the exact details it's definitely more than "nothing actually happened"

Hat Thoughts
Jul 27, 2012


New blind from that site about the recent Schneider news
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/03/blind-item-13-her-words.html

Everyone seems to think this is Amanda Bynes posted:


Blind Item #13 - Her Words

Last night, after the news broke about a certain producer, an actress ALL of you know who knows the producer as well as anyone sent me this.

thank you for all of your ongoing support. i Donít know how Any of these meN sleep at night, but if thereís one thing that i Do know Is that whatís Done In the dark, always comes to lighT! xoxo

Sorry, I thought it was clever :D unfortch I will obviously not be making any comment whatsoever (for obvious reasons) and unfortch I feel as though the only way that legitimate stories can make the headlines regarding ____ is if others publicly speak on his behavior. _____ was truly like a 2nd father to me. But things changed. After the 2nd incident, i donít know if I will ever be able to have children or have the family of my dreams.

People have been picking this scab for years. I just wonít be the one who finally rips it off.

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Jul 27, 2012


Phi230 posted:

Post the article

U should ask nicely...as a policy

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Jul 27, 2012


LividLiquid posted:

gently caress Yahtzee for his views on poo poo, but you have absolutely no idea how much work it is to write things and create video content. poo poo is in no way a cush job. It is bananas how much work that poo poo is. I only produce a few long-form videos a year and it is incredibly time-consuming.

Pay attention to every time the image changes during a Zero Punctuation and understand that that is a new, original image every five seconds or so for 5 minutes. Weekly. Accompanied by an essay. The thing you had to do in school that was a lot of work.

I prefer the work of Kenneth Waste

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Jul 27, 2012


lol
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/989334019648249856

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Jul 27, 2012



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTvP4dT9-xQ

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Jul 27, 2012


Bust Rodd posted:

Look I’m just gonna ask a gross question:

Would you inherently know it was wrong to try and date a teenager as a 20-something adult if it weren’t very explicitly against the law? Have you ever stopped before hooking up with someone in the middle of it to check their age? (I have, it’s always the worst conversation lol)

Like obviously mentally and emotionally it’s a world of different difference but you don’t notice someone’s personality bounce gently when they walk so that’s not really helpful.

Raiders takes place in 1936 so they dated in the, um, 20’s when the age of consent (according to Wikipedia) was between 10-14 in most states and as low as 7 in Delaware (?????)

Smh Bust Rodd

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Jul 27, 2012


McSpanky posted:

Even hypothetically.

wtf does that even mean mon

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Jul 27, 2012


Judakel posted:

Who rang the CineD circlejerk alarm?

this is not the thread for that sort of accusation

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Jul 27, 2012


Rhyno posted:

Ehhh, plenty of places need people to flip burgers.

show some respect 2 people doin minimum wage jobs...smh

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Jul 27, 2012


Hmm...lotta bastards in this thread

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Jul 27, 2012


Charlz Guybon posted:

Hasn't this standard been used in Israel to persecute Palestinians? "He said he was Jewish!"

wtf does that have to do with anything

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Jul 27, 2012


Charlz Guybon posted:

The topic was lying and consent, so I brought up an instance of the law saying that lying negates consent and the results.

obviously gently caress israel(occupied palestine) & all but just seems like ur generalizing concepts to an absurd degree to compare 2 completely different situations with completely different contexts. U may disagree but...that would be incorrect

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Jul 27, 2012


i think its funny he said
https://twitter.com/brendonwalsh/status/1017520122171252736
like she didn't get it when if he paid attention 2 her writing he'd notice she said

quote:

Even though the tone at this particular show was experimental and loose, and the men who introduced me were playing the parts of boorish characters, the effect is the same. It is misogyny hiding behind irony. And if you donít roll with the punches, you look uptight.
le missed point guy

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Jul 27, 2012


DeimosRising posted:

Oh I uh...get it, I guess

I think where you might be getting hung up is that to you it might seem like he made incredibly sexist comments that highlight just how often women are degraded & otherized for their gender - but what you're missing is that he is intentionally, making a choice to say incredibly sexist comments that highlight just how often women are degraded & otherized for their gender.

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Jul 27, 2012


Top Gun posted:

It's funny that everyones jumping into their usual political camps over the Gunn firing instead of realizing that society has become too oversensitive about everything.

is that right

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Jul 27, 2012



thanks man really helpful contribution to the conversation

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Jul 27, 2012


Can we just make a different thread for this stuff? Like, when you're postin Faraci articles...

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Jul 27, 2012


I made the thread
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3864084

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Jul 27, 2012


Timeless Appeal posted:

Appreciate the effort.

Thank u

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Jul 27, 2012


Sucrose posted:

Well, from my understanding she never actually named him and she said she wasn't out to try and ruin his career. So, if you consider the possibility that she may be telling the truth, that could explain why she didn't want to take part in AMC's investigation. It's a literal he-said-she-said situation. Nobody knows who's lying. Without any more evidence than the word of one person (who doesn't even want to cooperate), of course there's going to be no reason to fire him, nor should there be. It baffles me why anyone would resign in protest of him being fully reinstated, unless there's more going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. And really, if they're resigning because they hate Hardwick for some other reason, then they really need to state so rather than imply that they resigned because they believe the abuse story is true. And if they have personal reasons for believing that the abuse story is true, then they should go public with it. Otherwise their actions just seem completely unreasonable.


Because the burden of proof would be on him to show the court that her allegations are false, and such a thing is probably impossible. Defamation cases in the US are not a cakewalk. Failure to sue for defamation in a case like this should never be taken as evidence of guilt.


It is pretty drat odd, which makes me wonder if there's more going on. But what do I know about it? Nothing.

It's rly not that complicated, that article links this one where multiple people who've worked with Hardwick say his behavior is entirely consistent with the abuse post.
So I mean, I don't know why they need some secret info or to announce a press release along w/ their decision. Like, quitting at this exact time is the obvious announcement that they believe her based on their experiences.

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