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Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!




I heard about this on NPR during my morning commute. Absolutely mindblowing. The only thing I could keep thinking about was how the "popular" opinion of Rose McGowan over the past couple of years was that she had become unstable and impossible to work with, and how much my heart breaks for the fact that constructed narrative actually managed to take root. She was literally being gaslit by people posing as her friends, under the direction of Weinstein to gather information. I mean, holy poo poo. Thank god Rose is someone of such strong character, because that's the kind of poo poo that could easily drive someone to self-harm, or worse.

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Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



What the turbo gently caress.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



bobkatt013 posted:

In news shocking no one Stephen Segal has also been named

If I remember correctly he got into trouble a couple of years back for essentially holding a housekeeper against her will until she fled in the middle of the night. Not to mention the whole sex dungeon business. Seagal has always been a scumbag and horrible monster. I once saw someone describe him as the "Brundlefly of Mac and Dennis from It's Always Sunny," and that is super on point.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



You know, at this point the only rich white male celebrity I'm willing to have any faith in is Mr. Peanut.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Yeah, that bathroom thing... I think this one's gonna get way worse. The implications around that are... good lord.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



The stand-up comedy scene seems pretty willing to allow for second chances. Look at Paul Ruebens or Richard Pryor. Obviously their respective scandals don't quite exactly correlate to Louie's in terms of scope, nature, or predatory behavior, but it feels like if given enough time he'll get his redemption tour. The only x-factor is if there's more waiting in the wings. The whole "shoving a lady into a bathroom stall" bit from the Times article certainly implies that there might be.

Spacey, on the other hand, is scorched earth. Not only is he a notorious rear end in a top hat in general, but his misconduct stretched far and wide, and the hole he's in only seems to be getting deeper with each passing day. Like Weinstein, his name is absolutely radioactive now. He's become synonymous with this moment of sexual assault awareness that is happening, and deservedly so.

Edit: to clarify, I'm not saying one assault is better or worse than another. All are equally sickening, and my heart genuinely goes out to the victims of Louie, Spacey, and everyone else that has been exposed. I was speaking specifically in terms of the respective cultures. With Spacey being fired from House of Cards and cut from All The Money In The World, the axe has already dropped.

Tart Kitty fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Nov 10, 2017

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



precision posted:

Unless I missed something, the only thing Paul Reubens did was jerk off in a porn theater by himself. Shouldn't have even been a scandal.

Absolutely 100% agree. But I remember when it happened: it basically t-boned his entire career for like, a decade. Again, the correlation to Louie isn't exact. I was using it as an example of how the stand up comedy scene tends to give second chances, not trying to invoke a comparison to Louie's behavior, or his victims.

Edit: and look, I might be completely wrong. There's never been this kind of exposure on celebrity predatory behavior before. If feels like a sea change, and a welcome one at that. It's completely possible that Louie C.K. becomes forever toxic because of this. And if that happens, it is completely deserved. Like to me, I can't really see myself supporting his work going forward, apology or no. There's some bells that can't be unrung.

Tart Kitty fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Nov 10, 2017

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Quite a few of the articles that have come out have included anonymous testimony. If your friend just wants to get their story out there so that their pain is considered and accounted for, an email from a burner account to a publication might be a relatively safe way of doing it.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



I mean, I get the point you are trying to make, and a close examination of this specific moment in society is both welcome and necessary, but I'm gonna go ahead and keep feeling how I personally feel about sexual assault/harassment.

Tart Kitty fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Nov 10, 2017

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Darko posted:

Well, just as an example, Louis CK didn't commit sexual assault from the current reports. He asked permission from all, did not coerce, none were his direct employees as I understand; he was just more successful than they were in the same field. He is accused of sexual misconduct, not assault, for that reason.There are different categories of harassment/assault/rape for very important reasons, and they have different max penalties for those reasons.

It's not just a "semantics" issue, nor is it excusing someone from doing wrong things, either. But the way you approach and deal with an actual predator that did things unrelentingly is different than you approach men who didn't understand how to maintain safer boundaries so they didn't make people feel uncomfortable and threatened, especially since practically all men have been guilty of that to some degree somewhere in their lives (in many cases, misreading things or not understanding what they were doing, due to a mix of being taught by media and other men, and societal gender roles creating different reactions to the same actions between genders).

I updated my post to clarify that I was talking about both sexual assault and harassment, and did so before your reply. Didn't want to come off that I'm stealth--dodging the discussion here. You are right: what CK and Spacey did do fall into two different categories of abuse, and that should be considered in how things move forward in both their respective careers, and in terms of legal response. I do take issue with you implying that it's not "fair" for me to find the actions of both men equally sickening, however. That's a personal reaction on my part, influenced by my own life experiences. Which I'm of course entitled to.

I do appreciate the clarity and thought you're putting into this discussion. I do think that it's important to examine the different levels of what we're seeing here. Like, CK is a scumbag creep who intruded on the personal safety of those he acted out his fetish in front of, but it's not quite the same as hiring ex-Mossad agents to befriend someone under false pretenses. The thing is, as much of a cultural moment as this is, it's also extemely personal for a lot of the people who are finding themselves in these discussions. I think it's important to keep that in consideration, which, honestly, almost everyone here has been doing already.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Darko posted:

My response to all of that is that we just need to do better, as men, and teach other men better, and then we might not have to worry about making mistakes in the future.

On this, there is no daylight between us, my friend. It's rare to have a teachable moment of this caliber fall into the social consciousness. The impetus is on each of us as an individual to insure that it does not go to waste.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Wow. Kudos to Page for being brave enough to dissect and discuss that trauma in an open forum. That is wholly horrific.

gently caress Brett Ratner, man. That dude has been notoriously scummy for a long time, but what's striking in her account is the maliciousness of his behavior. Between that and Olivia Munn's story, he's proven to be an all-around grotesque human being, who shouldn't be allowed within a hundred feet of a professional production for the rest of his life.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Timby posted:

So Page says she was assaulted by a director when she was sixteen, which would place it around 2003-ish.

Uh, that basically says David Slade, right?

That was my thought. And if that's the case, it turns Hard Candy, already a difficult movie to consider, into the biggest, brightest red flag imaginable.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Timby posted:

Slade is basically Bryan Fuller's go to guy.

Yeah. He's not super prolific in the position of director today, but he executive produced Hannibal and is doing the same on American Gods.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Steve Yun posted:

Where are you seeing this? I only see her accusing Ratner

There's a bit in her Facebook post where she goes into having dinner with a director, and him putting his hand on her thigh. It's kind of buried in the middle.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Between this and his Trump comments I'm beginning to think that Cranston is an rear end in a top hat.

I definitely think that his comments are indicative of the same kind of privilege that has led to a lot of the abusive behavior that serves as the basis of this thread. He's been well-liked, rewarded, and wealthy for so long now that he's forgotten what it means to consider his words more carefully. I'm not saying that the rumors of Cranston are true (though this does seem to be the season of ticking clocks), but it feels like it's not that big of a jump from not considering your words, to not considering your actions, if you find yourself in a sufficient enough position of power.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Twenty more harassment allegations have been filed against Kevin Spacey from during his tenure at the Old Vic. That brings his total number of accusers up to the mid-thirties, if I'm not mistaken. Truly horrific.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



It's also depressing because Transparent has been such a positive representation for an often overlooked and underconsidered community. Tambor's actions are disgusting enough, but when you take into account that both of his victims have been trans, it's even more enraging. Like, if Transparent isn't a safe place for trans artists to create and perform, where is? There's just layers of awful to the whole thing.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



There is not a "gently caress you" big enough on Gene Simmons. Not just for his abhorrent actions mentioned in that article, but also for his long quest to be The Worst loving Dude. I'd say he should be loaded into one his KISS-branded coffins and fired into the sun, but I wouldn't want to inadvertently trigger the heat death of the universe.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



In the case of Transparent, I'd point out that other shows have survived lead actors dying in real life, and that the core message of the show - giving a human face to transitioning - is not particularly bound to one person's story. If they were to dump Tambor, they could always enter a second narrative phase where they refocus on a new character who is going through the same situation. Perhaps even flip it to a character that is transitioning female-to-male, and explore that side of the topic. You could even set it in the same city so that current cast members could stay on in some capacity.

I agree that doing something like replacing Mikkelson in Hannibal would be far more difficult, but there is something to reminding these powerful celebrities that their success hinges on public opinion, and that no one is without recourse should they behave badly.

Tart Kitty fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Nov 17, 2017

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Grouchio posted:

House of Cards to Resume Filming without Kevin Spacey

How the hell are they going to do that?
President Underwood would get assassinated off-screen, his vice president takes over, and suddenly this isn't House of Cards anymore.

So I guess with Spacey not having a morality clause in his contract, this means he's still going to get his full seasonal payout? That kind of sucks.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



He's probably safely locked in on Brooklyn-99 until the show ends, so I would expect whatever ramifications there will be to be more visible in whatever theatrical film roles he's offered in the future. Crews hasn't really elevated to true movie "star" position yet, but he absolutely should find himself in that realm in the next couple of years. That's where the weight of the thumb on the scales is going to be felt the most.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



I honestly believe that the best project for Terry Crews, post Brooklyn-99, would be like, a series adaption of True Lies with him in the Schwarzenegger role. It would let him flex all of his muscles (so to speak), by jumping between action and comedy, while also allowing him to play the family dynamic in Everybody Hates Chris.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Rhyno posted:

Bryan Singer's days are numbered. I feel like this is going to start the ball rolling on him.

http://www.looper.com/98996/bryan-singer-responds-queen-biopic-firing-ill-parent/

There was a story item that dropped earlier today where Gabriel Byrne revealed that The Usual Suspects was shut down for two days because of Kevin Spacey's inappropriate sexual advancements on a crew member. That's bad enough. But then you remember that Bryan Singer worked with Spacey again on Superman Returns - another production that Singer vanished on mid-shoot - and it feels like there's some serious BINGO coming down the road for him.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Yeah, and his whole argument is basically "how dare you make a room full of rich social elites uncomfortable?"

But please, Michael, do go on about how John Oliver is a "selfish gently caress," while you yourself handwave Dustin Hoffman's accusers - the very thing Oliver himself blasts Hoffman on during the Q&A.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Yeah, I think the thing to remember about then Oliver/Hoffman thing is that John Oliver is not a stupid man. He knows how to interview. There was an issue hanging in the air, he brought it up, and Hoffman completely whiffed on the response. And the added an extra dose of privilege on top of it. His defense wasn't one of consideration, but on I'm Dustin Hoffman. And that's the exact mindset that is the root of the Weinstein, Spacey, and countless other scandals as of late. The onus wasn't on John Oliver to not make Dustin Hoffman come off like a dismissive prick.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Welp. New rape accusation against Bryan Singer just dropped.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Super-bummed to hear Ron Perlman slammed John Oliver for the Hoffman interview. Perlman's a pretty liberal dude (and turbo-hates Trump, going by his twitter feed), but I guess it just goes to reinforce the fact that for many people the industry will always get the benefit of the doubt over the innocent victims who get chewed up by it

Tart Kitty fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Dec 8, 2017

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Al Borland Corp. posted:

Jesus you made me think those links were going to be about Michael J Fox

Yeah, I don't need that. Even more than Bill Murray, that would kill me.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



exquisite tea posted:

1. Guy Fieri is not a chef.
2. Everyone would be relieved that it was Guy Fieri eating poo poo and not someone they actually respected.

I don't know now, man. I've seen Fieri go at a bacon cheeseburger, and it certainly felt like it was some kind of criminal assault.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Considering that Guy Fieri is the human embodiment of a Spencer's Gifts, being generally awful and regressive sadly doesn't come as much of a surprise.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Honestly, the first thing that came to mind after reading the Spurlock thing is if he bothered to contact the women that are discussed before posting it. Because bringing up the specifics of (and dismissing) a rape allegation lobbed against yourself is all but inviting the media to track down this unnamed victim and drag her into the spotlight for a response. Likewise, it probably wouldn't be super hard to figure out who his assistant was. He's basically taken any agency away from these women to confront his actions on their terms in the midst of his massive social movement focused entirely on letting women speak freely.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Thing about Terry Richardson is that his grossness actually got real press, and wasn't really covered up. I first read about that assault like, two years ago. He didn't have the influence of Weinstein to keep poo poo out of the spotlight, so it's a wonder that his rear end wasn't put in the sling earlier. Apathy I suppose. Or the simple belief that such actions didn't matter. That's one of the hardest things to rectify with all of this; the simple fact that it's becoming more and more obvious that a lot of this terrible behavior was allowed to go on because it didn't seem to matter.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



That Batali "apology" reeks of the same hubris that Weinstein exhibited when he started talking about a redemption tour. Ya done, homie. Your cinnamon bun recipe ain't deflecting poo poo.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



DC Murderverse posted:

Philly Cheesesteak Egg Rolls.

I just legit burst out laughing because this is like the most Guy Fieri poo poo possible.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



MacheteZombie posted:

I had to stop reading this partway through. loving horrible.

Yeah, this is bad. And I don't want to be that guy and generalize, but TJ Miller has always struck me as like, a really gross dude. Up until now I've attributed that to the weird air of arrogance and condescendence that seems to surround him. But it these accusations are true, that pushes those markers closer to the realm of sociopathy.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Adult film star Dana DeArmond is accusing both T.J. Miller and Jordan Vogt-Roberts, director of Kong: Skull Island, of sexual harassment.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Rhyno posted:

Wanna bet Miller get's 100% edited out of Deadpool 2?

poo poo's stacking up quickly, so it's likely. And given that his name was dropped in the link I posted above, ain't no way that Jordan Vogt-Roberts is getting Metal Gear: Solid now.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



DC Murderverse posted:

nah, i think one accusation is, sadly, not enough to really effect someone. If we see more stuff in the coming days/weeks about JVR then maybe, but generally a pattern is what fucks up your career.

Used to be that I would feel this way too. But these last few months have definitely lent credit to the idea that if there is smoke there is not only fire, but usually a hidden cache of propane tanks in the basement as well. I'd like to believe that won't be the case with JVR (simply because I would like for none of these accusations to be true, and for none of the parties involve to have been injured in any way), but it's become clear that kind of rampant aggression is usually part of a pattern.

Edit: replaced "boldness" with "aggression," because my initial word choice seemed to lessen the invasiveness of what JVR was alleged to have done.

Tart Kitty fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Dec 20, 2017

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Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



To circle back to Miller, The Gorburger Show was cancelled by Comedy Central today. I suspect we'll see more of his projects get axed in the coming days. Now that steam has picked up, I'll be very surprised if he is kept in Deadpool 2.

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