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Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


Isnít there a lot of poo poo lingering with Jeff goldblum though? Iím almost positive heís a predator about to get exposed

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Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


Lana is having a hissy fit that black/Hispanic woman are doing well in music right now and not her weird abuse-pedo glorifying music

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


*looks at the thread title* anyway I think you should be able to marry gardevoir

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


Heíll get his manga back by the end of next year

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

He wasn't the one drawing it and I doubt the artist is gonna want anything to do with him after this, so I doubt it.

https://twitter.com/actagemanga/status/1292718983708368896?s=21

The rurouni kenshin guy only got a 7 month exile and then came back and sold gangbusters too, Japan really doesnít give a gently caress when it comes to this poo poo

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


Coming from a French director of all places on earth too

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


Skwirl posted:

Senegalese director.

Born and raised in Paris her whole life

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


I feel like it falls into the same problem of 12 years a slave where by showing everything in graphic detail it almost turns into exploitation. half the people seriously looking for a nuanced take on these subjects will be turned off from using the same imagery as the stuff itís trying to satire if it makes sense?

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


Skwirl posted:

Raised by Senegalese immigrant parents making a movie partially about being raised in Paris by Senegalese immigrants.

Or does Martin Scorsese's Italian heritage not play into his film making either?

I donít think this is the best place for discussions on race and generational immigrant identity but all of Scorseseís movies are about Italian-AMERICANS and itís not making the point you want

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


Roman Polanski made Tess and itís a really well thought out youth/sex positive movie (probably better than this but I donít wanna watch it). Roman Polanski is also a convicted pedophile.

A lot of the Ďwow youíre just seeing what you wanna seeí reminds me of the takes anime fans use to defend that garbage schlock, and while nothing here is quite like shitshow there has to be something to be said about the whole Ďmessage is the mediaíthing

Maybe ban child actors? Irresistible was a great example of materials not supporting the messages/themes but I feel like thatís different because kids canít give consent to the things theyíre acting out on screen the same way an adult can . All these kids are gonna be followed around by creeps on social media like Disney starlets (not even getting into stuff like the countdown on Dakota fanning/Olsen twins hitting 18) and lord knows how the movie production affected them too.

That good boy movie raised a lot of these problems I had with all this but that was deflected with a lot of Ďitís just a coming of age storyí excuses. both of these movies were made for adults and while adults should be barred from this exploring type of stuff I feel like thereís a better way to convey these themes/messages to adults and kids alike without having kids twerk on film?

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


I guess to bring it back to my slavery movie comparison there has to be better ways to show these horrific topics without just being blasted with visceral imagery, and with how much media has already done this type of stuff it turns into viewer fatigue and borderline exploitation

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


Is there a thoughtful piece to even extract from Senegal values against French sexual liberalism? Is the movie trying to say African conservatism is better than pedophilia or that French sexuality identity hinges on it? Iím kinda confused on that very thing too but I guess I kinda shifted the original argument in my rant

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1997-12-30-1997364099-story.html

And tons of black people were mad at the amistad for being another slave movie where the white man functionally saves another negro again while forcing ethos by blasting you with tried and true imagery. The films gaze is problematic in itself the same way cuties is even if the message/theme is correct. In this aspect django unchained or like hard candy is a way better movie even if there isnít a lick of historcal accuracy (you can look at the difference in youtube comments between a django scene or American history x scene)

You say what I say in the second paragraph where we can do all these these things with a positive gaze on top of good themes/messages. White people didnít care about amistad but I hated it, and I only learned about this movie from black woman on twitter blowing up about it so the ĎI think woman understand it more than you guysí flies about as hard as the Ď12 years a slave was made by a black man actuallyí. Thereís already been films that did this topic better with more nuance but even trying to discuss this is a no go?

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


Origami Dali posted:

If a movie is critical of minstrel shows and features scenes of blackface to make its point, are those actors/the filmmakers being racist regardless of context? Serious question.

I mean.... I loving love tropic thunder and race is just a social construct unlike age. I think Iíve read enough racial theory to say tropic thunder is slightly racist but with how much care it takes in handling it and pure comedy/satire in itself (the blazing saddles exception I guess Iíll call it) it can slide in the grand scheme of blackface history. Maybe a side note that they shoulda handled simple jack as well as the racial stuff.

A lot of people can and will go Ďwhat about whitefaceí but whiteface doesnít have the cultural or historical weight blackface carries (or any racial caricaturization has) because whiteness is still pretty new and blank in the historical game of race. Black identity only seems so strong because nationalization and tribal/clan systems are long gone for large groups of black people (thatís why biden got in trouble for assuming black people are a monolith very recently).

Asians/natives/Hispanic/Arab groups had the same problems for as long as modern fiction has been around but I think blackface is special because it was so used in lockstep with Americaís apartheid system, itís almost a symbol of Jim Crow at this point. Which then multiplies in itself with historical and modern anticolorism thatís in all our media/society (same reason why a top tier black pornstar makes way less than an asian pornstar whoíd make less than the Hispanic pornstar and then finally the top billed and paid white pornstar).

I think another thing that puts blackface on its own level is even when other races fall and rise in amounts of caricaturization black qualities and blackface itself has always been deemed the worst. Itís easy to say Ďthis is just Jim Crow poo poo from Americaí but the Netherlands has that racist Santa helper that sprung up from around the early 20th century and even asian/Hispanic/Arab mediaís and lenses view black qualities in horrible lights (you can pull dozens of racist East Asian commercials or look at black treatment itself in South America and the Middle East).

So yeah I think even in the best context and meaning itíll still come off as bad at best or anti-black at worst. Art isnít just in a vacuum that you can nitpick free of the time and context it was made in. But I love tropic thunder a lot it made me lol so whoís to say at the end of the day.

Professorjuggalo fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Sep 11, 2020

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


Skwirl posted:

Yeah, why the gently caress does a French Senegalese woman think we should care about her personal experiences? She's not me, why should anyone care?

Idk probably looks like straight up pedobait? Iím African too and think itís hosed up contrasted to my African or western values. If the message isnít that strong to begin with then thereís as much merit to dissecting that then there is to the piece of art itself. You constantly keep using her race as some deflection or conflation to everything else you could talk about in the film. And for the 3rd time even with all the messages and themes thereís still something to be said with all this especially in the Ďsexual assault and culture of Hollywood threadí

Last post since Iím obviously just going in circles repeating myself I guess

Edit:.If a white Frenchman made the movie then youíd just fall back on the Ďitís just art we should be able to critique art okí and it should be even more damning that the only thing youíre holding as a defense is identity. Iím glad I used 12 years a slave as an earlier example cause I didnít even know the director was black till well after the fact, itís still exploitative

And since the French already have a history with this material and topic I could just as easily turn around and say itís some schlocky problematic French film at the end of the day. But that isnít the core argument

Professorjuggalo fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Sep 11, 2020

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


I think that was just a shitpost on the same tier as passing off any complaint of the movie with Ďwow, Qanon much?í.

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


I also agree big mouth isnít comparable and I even said myself the problem with this is the same problem as exploitation movies. Thereís gonna be adults watching this film who donít see the message or ignore it and kids who also watch it and miss it only adding to the alarming and already pointed out trend in society (but with a official studio backing). Which means at best this is something for the audience to chew over and not something FOR the exploited groups itís preaching on. This is all stuff feminist and black groups were saying about horror and exploitation films (but both have addressed this in ways with some drat good modern horror movies and the entire blaxploitation genre). And horror and exploitation films had histories with demands from the top to put in extreme scenes to justify making movies about heady topics in the first place. While thatís a larger problem with capitalism in itself I feel these things amplify way worse with the nature of child labour.

From wikiapedia: An exploitation film is a film that attempts to succeed financially by exploiting current trends, niche genres, or lurid content. Iím not arguing that exploitation films donít have a place in society, but that using children put them past a grey area from the power dynamics involving children. The same reason I let big mouth go makes me hate a movie like Good Boy

Plus Iím sure the film director is gonna get off smoother than any of the child actors. Most of the Qanon paranoia is directed at Netflix the corporation

Edit: Iíve never watched big mouth so idk about anything regarding it other than itís a cartoon about adults voicing teens during puberty. Thatís all I used to base this off of and isnít defending or trashing the show cause I donít know poo poo about it

Professorjuggalo fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Sep 12, 2020

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


You guys keep talking about how thereís stuff valid in the movie but constantly sidestep my whole exploitation point. Itís not a Puritan argument Iím making since I spent posts positioning my thoughts on exploitation as a whole. Theres TONS of media for adults and teens and kids alike that tackle this stuff without needing to resort to filming kids twerking in a worse gaze than a hype Williams music video. I never watched Donnie darko but even Little Miss sunshine handled its worst scenes with a infinitely better gaze than that cuties clip. A lot of these defences on what we think the kids can handle or internalize during these filmings I think get addressed in the Foucault Ďcompetent childí argument. The same commodifications that happens from war movies or slavery movies or woman getting slashed up on screen fall short on how children are socially and mentally, and by extension how society views kids thereafter (and even before but I donít wanna turn this into the Foucault show). Itís not some Ďsave the children!í pearl clutching but another bump in the long road of media, capitalism and sexualization. If media is a window into society (if youíve never seen a Frenchman in your life and are asked to imagine one youíre probably gonna think up some caricaturization in a beret with baguette) then by showing this as is even with its message itíll get commodified even in the smallest amount into what the Netflix marketers and outragers all see it as.

Anime is a whole other can of worms on top of how japan views sex and children (wasnít child porn banned there in 1999? The guy that made rurouni kenshin got caught with a bunch of child porn and was accepted back in society with open arms), plus it doesnít apply to this discussion or argument

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


Iím really done posting but something can be exploitative and come from the exploited group. Thereís a billion think pieces on how typically exploitative and tired 12 years a slave is and it was made by a black man. The Qanon outrage is bullshit for sure but people are trying to handwave everything with this large narrative of Puritan conservative backlash when thereís other legitimate grieving. Society has a huge problem with teens and the whole Britney Spears ĎIm not that innocentí tilt of sex appeal, and has for a long time. Making people uncomfortable by blasting it on screen and then having the film go Ďwow isnít that hosed up?!í Isnít new or impressive and my entire point the means arenít enough to justify the ends, especially when the means are laid on extra thick TO justify the end. I can maybe assume thatís why hollywood gave up on this bullshit as a way to pull out cheap ethos

Professorjuggalo fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Sep 12, 2020

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


This loving sucks and youíre all are doing the same pearl clutching on both sides that should be against the whole drat Ďno politicsí poo poo. Half of these posts are just ďYOU canít talk about this now cause youíre being reactionaryĒ. I did better discourse by myself over two pages than all of you combined come on. Either say something of substance or move on cause youíre all just arguing about different things and getting mad about it

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


WeedlordGoku69 posted:

suck my entire rear end

lmfao ok future victor salva eat poo poo

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


pentyne posted:

Yeah real strong discourse vibes here you accusing someone of being a pedophile for disagreeing with you.

Considering he just said I was on a pizzagate crusade and told me to suck his rear end I think the response is warranted

sexpig by night posted:

'I did better discourse' is the most pathetic thing for a human being to say as some kind of slam

It wasnít a slam though? You guys are arguing in circles about big mouth and internet porn

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


pentyne posted:

Are you a child? Then I don't think the words "suck my rear end" aimed at you are grounds to accuse someone of being a pedophile.

Considering I spent so much time in my arguments maintaining that Iím not coming from a Qanon place it offends me to be lumped in with racist reactionary nazis.

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


pentyne posted:

Running back to cspam and whine about being such a martyr and accuse everyone of slurring your good name because someone said "suck my rear end"

Totally good faith, 100% better discourse.

Coming from the guy following my posts and acting like I wasnít called a QAnon whacko first. First post was for sure bad faith but the second one was just me trying to cross link one of my drat posts. None of that discredits any of the posts I already made on the topic and youíre acting like me getting mad over getting called a Qanon deserves it.

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


pentyne posted:

"yes I'm arguing in bad faith but that's only sometimes so it doesn't count"

you ran to another thread to post your "better discourse" when called out on your bullshit here and your entire defense is "nuh-uh, you're a bad poster"

??? I made one gloat post after I get called QAnon and now all my serious good faith posts (all before the fact) are bad faith too? Who called me out on my bullshit? nobody said poo poo about my posts (other than weedgokubaby calling me a Qanon I guess) and thereís people saying that kids shouldnít be in movies

Professorjuggalo fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Sep 13, 2020

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


You mean the post where I responded to someone conflating big mouth and cuties and start off the thing with ďI also agree that big mouth isnít comparable to thisĒ. That one?


hard counter posted:

i don't know how it's even controversial to be antagonistic toward cuties

like, you can absolutely make a movie with an anti-rape message, for e.g., but if in order to make that movie you end up actually raping a whole bunch of people perhaps the deluge of criticisms against your movie's content goes above-and-beyond a simple misreading of the surface features of your original message

likewise, you can absolutely make a movie with an anti- child exploitation & sexualization message, but if in order to make that movie you actually exploit and sexualize a whole bunch of children perhaps the deluge of criticisms against your movie goes above-and-beyond a simple misreading of the surface features of your original message and, mayhaps, other formats would've been more appropriate for your visionary message

This was my entire point throughout all my posts. Nothing more nothing less and of course Iím going to get mad if someone calls me a gamergate alt-right neo nazi racist trying to explain it. Yíall just putting words in my mouth now

Professorjuggalo fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Sep 13, 2020

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Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


mycot posted:

VV That was after you edited it. The original post was just the tweet that made the kinda strange "Adults shouldn't make stories about children aimed at adults" take. I think someone mixed up your posts with Bust Rodd's and that's why people are so negative toward you, but I legitimately can't tell if you forgot what you posted where or if this is some galaxy-brain thread manipulation.

I edited that poo poo WAY earlier and didnít even touch anything on that part. It all flows into the same drat message too. I didnít forget what I posted anywhere youíre just misreading or not reading things

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