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kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

I think the perception of how people look an appear is actually very important and worth discussing within this context - it's something I've been thinking about since the Marilyn Manson news came out. I'd see two different reactions to that - people who thought that because of how he looked and appeared in terms of his public persona he was even more hosed up in private, and people who thought that he'd be less hosed up in private than some conventionally "normal" looking people, because he was able to deal with his weird poo poo outwardly rather than repressively - or something to that effect.

I'm not sure either point of view really has any validity or holds up, ultimately.

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kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

Oyak posted:

help somebody wanted to have sex with me at the sex club

Right because going to a sex club is like automatically consenting to have sex with every other patron there :rolleyes:

edit: The more I think about your clever post the more disgusted and pissed off I feel with it

kaworu fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Mar 22, 2021

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

Oyak posted:

lol how old is the character in your avatar?

That character is 31 years old, for whatever it's really worth :v:

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

King Vidiot posted:

I mean, I don't see what's "skeevy" about just looking younger, or even acting younger, like I've had people tell me well into my 30's that I look like I'm in my early 20's. The key is to not get tempted into acting on it. When I was 30, I had a woman actually tell me she thought I was like 19. And that's dangerous, but that's not my fault. It's genetics, or just the fact that more and more people look younger in adulthood than they ever have in the past. It's all about how you handle it.

Yeah, this goes both ways, though - I've always looked quite a bit younger than my age too, and 3 out of the first 4 guys I dated in young adulthood - all of them were within a few years of my age and one was younger than me - ended up being pedophiles. When you not only look younger than your age but actually like a kid, it not only can suck in a practical sense but really fucks with your sense of self-confidence and ability to have normal, trusting relationships. I didn't date anyone seriously for over 8 years after the third pedo boyfriend. Now that I'm in my mid-thirties and look like I'm in my mid-twenties it could theoretically work the way you described, but I'm not a very extroverted or outgoing person regardless, so yeah.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

I'll always remember him in Gods & Monsters, one of those fantastic little period pieces from the '90s that was kinda perfect for what it is. Skated a lot of pretty interesting (and semi-thread-relevant) topics, actually. I just thought Brendan Fraser was a perfect bit of casting, since he physically had that "Frankestein" sort of skull structure and physical gait, and he and Ian Mckellan had a fascinating chemistry in their scenes together.

Sucks that he had to deal with these assholes from the HFPA.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

POWELL CURES KIDS posted:

Alright, uh, I'm not sure where the miscommunication occurred here, so I'm gonna take this from the top, and if I've somehow hosed up how I read all this, my bad.



The post I responded to seemed to be saying "yes, it's offensive--but." The post I made in response to that was "yes, it's funny--but." I personally find cocks hilarious, but it's hosed up to whip them out at people. I also think it's funny when people walk into doors. Ape go ouchie, ha ha. I am nevertheless anti-people walking into doors, because I don't enjoy when people get hurt. I am expressly not telling other people how to feel; I'm saying that me (or anyone) finding something funny doesn't mean that it's okay, because my (or anyone's) personal amusement doesn't supersede or mitigate the injury it might cause someone else, for instance a woman being subjected to sexual harassment under the guise of a harmless joke. Even if the joke was, somehow, actually made with sincerely harmless intent. (My other point being that the dude walking around with his dick out might think it's funny, but also certainly understands that it's wrong.)

Am I confused about how this conversation is going? You seem to be reading the opposite of what I'm saying.

The real issue is that this is not an issue that requires subtlety, or exists in shades of grey. Ultimately, a guy taking out his dick in public simply is not funny - even if the person in question seems to think so. When you say "Well, dicks are floppy and funny and it doesn't bother me" reads like you really are making excuses, and stating that because it doesn't bother you it's not really all that bad at all.

Yes, you are qualifying that by saying it's not acceptable, but it doesn't really change the obvious intent of the original statement? It kinda reads like someone professing that they personally believe in the Replacement Theory because it makes sense to them, and then vociferously claiming that they really do abhor racism and inequality in all forms. It doesn't really add up and it comes across as a bit disingenuous.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

sethsez posted:

Being able to go "just because my experience with [thing] is positive doesn't mean [thing] is okay because my experience and situation is not universal" is actually pretty drat important.

There is a world of difference in maturity between thinking that to yourself, and loudly stating that you don't find this potentially traumatic and damaging type of behavior anything other than amusing and funny in a discussion about what is and is not inappropriate sexual behavior.

Being able to acknowledge that truth and keep it to yourself is what you're talking about. Making a vocal point about how you personally find dudes taking their dicks out in public to be funny and barely objectionable (even though you totally get that other people could find it traumatic and objectionable) is weird and kinda tone-deaf.

Like trying to explain that you find cruelly racist humor hilarious and awesome while understanding that it's objectionable and wrong. That may be true, but you're probably not going to win any points by trying to explain that to a room full of black people.

kaworu fucked around with this message at 00:35 on May 5, 2021

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

some of this is people talking past each other but also honestly some of it is just that people don't want to hear about how invulnerable you feel, in the sexual assault thread

This is more or less what it comes down to, for me, and the major point I was attempting to make.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

Groovelord Neato posted:

Found out recently the lady that worked for Perverted Justice for the show is Twitter's VP of safety.

This explains so much.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Oh it is TERRIFYING what the laws allow. Basically everything in our legal system related to the treatment of the mentally ill or anyone with any kind of mental process that deviates from the norm should be entirely rewritten. None of it was designed to protect or help neural divergent people, just to make it easier to either strip away their rights or dispose of them.

As someone who suffers from mental illness, I consider myself... incredibly lucky for never having been incarcerated against my will, or lost any basic rights as an adult. More mentally ill friends of mine than I can count or think of right now have been locked up at some point in their young adulthood by family members they trusted implicitly - sometimes they're thankful for it, usually they're not.

What's even worse, in a way, is that they were the lucky ones for having family members that cared enough to do anything. We dismantled the whole system of putting the mentally ill in state institutions for clear reasons, but didn't replace it with anything. There's a tremendous amount of mentally ill people who are homeless, bouncing between hospital, jail, and the streets. That's where most people in Britney's position not lucky enough to be rich, talented, or loved end up, sad to say.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

There is a baseball player named Trevor Bauer who pitches for the LA Dodgers - just signed this past year for a tremendously insane sum of money. Some extremely, horrifically disgusting stuff just came out about him in this subscription-only article from dweeby sports publication The Athletic. Crossposting this from the MLB news/views thread (where everyone is appropriately mortified/horrified):

https://theathletic.com/2682479/202..._shared_article

quote:

A domestic violence restraining order filed against Dodgers pitcher Trevor Bauer and executed on June 28 includes multiple graphic images from the woman who filed the request. The woman, in the 67-page ex-parte document, said that Bauer assaulted her on two different occasions. Together, the woman said those two incidents included Bauer punching her in the face, vagina, and buttocks, sticking his fingers down her throat, and strangling her to the point where she lost consciousness multiple times.

The alleged assaults described by the woman, which are extremely graphic in nature, happened during what she said began as consensual sexual encounters between the two. According to the woman’s declaration attached to the request and obtained by The Athletic, she suffered injuries as a result of the second encounter, including two black eyes, a bloodied swollen lip, significant bruising and scratching to one side of her face. In the woman’s declaration, signed under penalty of perjury of California state laws, she said that her medical notes state that she had “significant head and facial trauma” and that there were signs of basilar skull fracture.

She also said that, in one of those incidents, while unconscious, Bauer penetrated her anally, which she did not consent to in advance.

“I agreed to have consensual sex; however, I did not agree or consent to what he did next,” she says. “I did not agree to be sexually assaulted.”

...

The report says on the night of May 15, 2021, Bauer invited the woman to his house again and this time asked her to agree on a safe word. About five minutes into sex, she said that he began choking her again, at which point she lost consciousness and “was unable to speak or move my body.” She says when she regained consciousness, Bauer was punching her head: “This was the first punch I felt but it is very possible that Trevor had already been punching and scratching the right side of my face while I was unconscious. Trevor then punched me hard with a closed fist to the left side of my jaw, the left side of my head, and both cheekbones. I remember this vividly and it was extremely startling and painful. I was absolutely frozen and terrified. I could not speak or move. After punching me several times, he then flipped me back onto my stomach and began choking me with hair. I lost consciousness again.”

Neither MLB nor the LA Dodgers have taken any action yet. Bauer's lawyer made a statement yesterday stating that it was just "rough sex" that was completely consensual, but clearly this is NOT that. The woman in question apparently has a great deal of corroborating texts, pictures, even recorded phone calls with Bauer.

Bauer is set to make his next start for the Dodgers on July 4th still as of now, which I can only imagine would be a huge mistake and cause a raft of much deserved poo poo to come down on the organization. This is some seriously horrific poo poo.

kaworu fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Jul 1, 2021

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

Prince Myshkin posted:

All you need to know from that Dan Schneider article:

Something that's stuck in my mind was this interview with cops who had worked decades in vice and made dozens of child pornography busts, talking about how just about EVERY pedo they busted would be enough of a Trekkie to have some visible paraphernalia/collectors items/whatever in their home. Or the classic line from a cop, "We say there are two types of pedos: Star Trek, and Star Wars." Hoo boy.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

El Gallinero Gros posted:

IIRC the Star Trek thing on SA came from 2 things: one was aatrek, and two, a goon citing an article from the Toronti Star where a cop basically said the "Not all Star Trek fans are pedos, but alot of the people we bust for CP are Star Trek fans".

It was something I encountered off SA and years before Aatrek was busted - or even modded, for that matter. Google suggests it was probably a Huffington Post linked article (probably the same one as from the Toronto Star) back in 2005 that I first read about it in.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pedophilia-and-star-trek_b_5857

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

There's a lot of bad information/misinformation about the Pee-Wee Herman/Paul Reubens "child porn" bust, but I suppose it's good that people at least realize it wasn't so much that he was a pedophile, but that he had the gall to have a great children's show while also happening to be a bit of a pervert, and also gay (or at least definitely not straight). That tends to upset people. Admittedly getting caught jerking off in a Sarasota adult movie theater is the height of embarrassment, and it had one hell of an accompanying mug shot.

Anyway, yeah, basically Pee-Wee had a massive collection of vintage "gay porn" from the 1940s and 50s, meaning a massive collection of stuff like muscle magazines, swimmers, guys at the beach posing, early beefcake stuff - essentially exactly the sort of thing that a young queer kid growing up in the 1950s/60s would have had access to as gay pornography during that time, which makes sense in terms of why he'd be collecting it.

Amongst this massive collection of hundreds of thousands of images (which he had clearly bought in bulk and had probably never even gone through all of) there were maybe a dozen or so pictures of teenagers who were probably 16-17. The whole thing really was kinda bullshit - it wasn't really child pornography and no reasonable person would have cause to think he was a pedophile. Just a baby boomer with a nostalgic taste for pornography and too much spending money.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

There's a pretty interesting argument about where the line is drawn between art and pornography, and it's really not necessarily clear all the time. It's also easily misunderstood by a lot of people, I think. But I think that art can be pornography, and pornography can be art depending on the intent of both the artist and the viewer.

Actually, I studied Renaissance art and sculpture in college for a while, and frankly I found that there was a certain amount of art created in that period of time that arguably does skirt the lines between art and pornography - even child pornography, at times.

For instance, one of the most famous nude Renaissance sculptures - Donatello's first David in bronze which inspired Michelangelo's more famous interpretation half a century later - well, I would describe that statue as being downright pornographic. Probably one of the earliest examples of 'child pornography' in a sense, though I don't really think it's considered as such. I remember reading a fascinating essay about it in a Camille Paglia book, once.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

Yeah, not sure how anyone can watch Taxi Driver and Raging Bull and fail to come to the realization that the guy who wrote those movies has some serious issues with women in his life. Not that they aren't great films, just... So much Catholic guilt and Madonna/Whore complex BS.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004


I honestly didn't think there were any celebrities/notable individuals who'd be accused of this poo poo that could hurt me or really cause me to feel upset but... Guess I was wrong! Just really, really hoping this winds up being unsubstantiated and untrue.

I'd actually be more skeptical and less inclined towards believing this (having read more biographies and books analyzing Dylan's life than I care to admit to myself) if she claimed it had happened at some point over the last 40-50 years or so. But in 1965, I think can believe that he was still stupid, stoned, and conceited enough to do something this awful.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

pentyne posted:

Fallon was there helping write Sanz write emails to the high school girl, I guess to try and make sure he didn't get too creepy and scare her off? I don't know what the deal is but it sounds extremely hosed up.

No, more like Fallon was at all the after-parties where these underage girls were getting plied with alcohol and openly raped in front of people while others ignored it or said "Oh give me a loving break, she's in high school!" and then ignored it. It all just sounded degenerate and horrible and Fallon was in the middle of it all.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

It's kind of interesting to me - the article seems to suggest that Brad Pitt erred when he approached Weinstein for help on this 2012 film Killing The Softly, but that it was OK when he did Inglourious Basterds back in 2009 which was also distributed by The Weinstein Company. Is this because he didn't produce Basterds, or that because it was a very well-regarded and successful Tarantino film that it was somehow OK?

I'm not trying to be flippant here, I really do wonder about this sort of thing. For one thing, Tarantino has really flown over this whole Weinstein thing and come out without hardly a mark on him, which I find somewhat odd. There's a sort of... reverse-stigma in Hollywood where as long as you're regarded as brilliant and successful enough, it's extremely difficult for any kind of dirt to stick to you for very long unless you really gently caress up. And even then, if you're considered brilliant enough there will always be people willing to look past that and work with you - Polanski is a fine example of this, and Woody Allen as well. Both guys transgressed HUGELY, but big stars will still work with them and they still get funding.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

Well, there is this scene from Death Proof, too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee6jqUkxkZs

Not so subtle.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

King Vidiot posted:

I'm, uh, way more willing to forgive Quentin Tarantino than, say, Dan Schneider.

This is what I was trying to get at before. Does great art make these transgressions more excusable, somehow? Seems like it does. I mean, whether I agree with that or not, I feel some inherent cultural bias telling me that it's somehow OK or not as bad when truly brilliant/gifted people do this sort of thing as opposed to when some schlub does it.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

I think we should give a shout-out to Tommy Wiseau and "The Room" for laying bare this dynamic and making it as obvious as possible. I think every writer/director/actor-type is egotistical enough to have impure motives when it comes to this sort of thing.

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kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

It’s not like it’s a difficult thing to go through the day - or even your entire adult life - without throwing a single punch. Or shoving, or acting physically violent in any way at all. I’m 37 years old, had serious anger and temper issues as a child and, and I haven’t thrown a punch at anyone in my whole life. It’s not like it’s hugely challenging to avoid violence or violent situations on a personal level, it only requires the tiniest level of maturity and restraint. The ability to know how and when to walk away and not purposely escalate or provoke poo poo.

I totally call bullshit on the idea that people are somehow entitled to beat on others, frankly. There might be times when it’s justifiable or permissible, but I personally believe that even in those situations some pretty poor decisions had to be made to lead to a place where violence is justified. If you seriously hurt or injure someone, even with a single punch, there should always be consequences of some sort - even in the most extreme and absurd circumstances one could imagine where self-defense is absolutely necessary, I think some restraint is warranted.

kaworu fucked around with this message at 04:20 on May 19, 2022

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