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Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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LesterGroans posted:

Thomas Middleditch absolutely sucks, his relationship sounds like poo poo, he's not a sex pest based on that one interview.

All of these are true.

He looks like a dork. Anyway, Spacey had that person killed.

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Judakel
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Boywhiz88 posted:

Yeah, I don’t think he’s a Spacey or Weinstein but it comes off that he uses his status to extract what he wants from the relationship.

https://twitter.com/libbycwatson/status/1173994533689933824?s=21

That feeling when your girl asks you "where do I fit in?"

Judakel
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Alan Smithee posted:

I’m amazed none of the Big Bang Theory guys got exposed. I haven’t heard anything but you know they’ve gotta be some real freak nasty fuckers

Not if they know what's good for them. That show is bank. None of those guys have to work again for the rest of their lives. Like the cast of Friends or Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David. Hell, Kramer probably doesn't have to work either.

Judakel
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Timeless Appeal posted:

No, it's really, really not.

Louis CK habitually sexually harassed women. If you operate a venue, you are putting your employees, patrons, and other comedians at risk by allowing him to work at your venue.

And honestly, yeah, I'd argue that it should be illegal for employers to knowingly expose their employees to a clear risk of harassment or assault.

This is the case with most comics.

Judakel
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ImpAtom posted:

I am saying it isn't a meaningful enough risk to require hard lockdown. This behavior isn't about protecting their comedy. It is about avoiding footage of them saying terrible things circulating.

It is unfinished work. Anyone familiar with stand-up can tell you why it is a bad idea to have that out there.

Judakel
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Skwirl posted:

That still absolutely doesn't address the banning of taking notes with pen and paper.

It does. If you want to give a "report" on what topics you heard, you can do that from memory.

Judakel
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ImpAtom posted:

Plenty of stand-up comedians don't go to such extreme measures. It's a mysterious coincidence that it started happening more after he got bad flack for making lovely offensive jokes.

Plenty of stand-ups don't have vultures looking for a story and posters looking to call the work lovely because they disliked a joke that wasn't finished or suddenly took umbrage with the same type of work he has always done.

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

Not many people can memorize a lovely joke live, word for word, and then remember it for the length of the set and the drive home. He doesn't want quotes of his lovely jokes coming out. If he could make reporters/people sign NDAs he would.

You're not supposed to in order to write a piece. Louis CK doesn't care if you think his jokes are offensive. He doesn't want unfinished work being judged in terms of quality.

You can keep calling the work that offended you lovely if it makes you feel better. It is the same type of work you loved two years ago.

Judakel
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

I mean, I'm talking about the finished routine about how he wished the Stoneman Douglas kids would chill out and stop complaining and a bunch of old man poo poo. Did you miss all of that?

Also, we're talking about his regular shows in Toronto. Not an open mic night. Which again, is different. I hope he's not charging full prices for unfinished material.

That wasn't finished. It may not even resemble what you heard when it is done. It could be dropped entirely. Pacing could change. You don't just work on a routine at open mics. Yes, comics charge full price for unfinished material. This has always been the case, because they tour as they develop material. I am sure your "hopes" are well-meaning. Did you miss how comics work?

Judakel
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twerking on the railroad posted:

He absolutely does. If it's not offensive his new audience doesn't give a poo poo.

I don't think he has as much of a new audience as you think he does. A smaller one, sure.

ImpAtom posted:

Now start the rant about cancel culture.

You just didn't have a good point.

Judakel
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ImpAtom posted:

Nah.

You referred to people who pointed out that a serial sexual harasser was now making transphobic jokes and insults aimed at the survivors of school shootings as 'vultures.' It was extremely clear what you actually meant.

You really cannot accept that your point was garbage? He has always made the same types of jokes. Where have you been? Don't tell me what I meant. If you want to rant against profane material, do it.

Snowman_McK posted:

maybe he should have finished the jokes before he performed them. I think that's how performing things is usually supposed to work.

That's not how joke writing works. You have to, you know, perform them and fine tune them. That's how performing things usually works.

Judakel fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Oct 6, 2019

Judakel
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ImpAtom posted:

I like how you shifted from "transphobic and attacking the victims of school shootings" to "profane" and tried to treat them as the same thing.

How is that a shift?

Judakel
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Krankenstyle posted:

the former is bad, the latter isn't

Why would the profane be ok? It is an attack on things considered sacred - or in a more loose sense: off-limits.

Judakel
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Steve Yun posted:

Profane is a big umbrella

You have profane comedy going after sacred cows that deserve to be attacked. Subservience to the state, society’s obsession with censoring curse words. Going after powerful people and structures that deserve to be criticized. George Carlin’s sort of thing.

Then you have profane comedy that goes after marginalized segments of society. Eddie Murphy spending his 80’s making fun of gays for getting AIDS and making fun of asian stereotypes. Attacking people who are at a disadvantage in our society and are vulnerable to being harassed or even killed. Andrew Dice Clay sort of stuff.

You can draw the line at where you feel un/comfortable. Not sure how persuasive of an argument that will be, but you can.

The Day The Laughter Died is one of the funniest comedy albums of all time, by the way.

Judakel
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Snowman_McK posted:

Go to an open mic then. That's what they're for.

Also, buying that it's just about tuning the joke, and that it's not because he's now teling jokes exclusively from the perspective of an absolute rear end in a top hat is some gullible poo poo.

No, comics have to make a living, too. Even as they develop their jokes. Open mics are for open mic-ers. No one is being gullible here except you; you fundamentally misunderstood my points: he has always been this and picking at the quality of the joke telling when it is not a finished product is desperate. You'd never dare say you simply object to the nature of the material and don't want to hear it.

Judakel fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Oct 7, 2019

Judakel
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Krankenstyle posted:

CK doesn't "have to make a living":

1. he is a millionaire
2. if he wants more, he can get a regular job. He has muffler shop experience, don't me?

Not anymore.

Snowman_McK posted:

It's weird, this part suggests you don't know we're talking about Louis CK (estimated net worth 16 million)


but this part suggests that you are specifically talking about him.


whereas this suggests that you're actually in a completely different conversation with someone else. I mean, I haven't heard it, and i'm fine with that, and it seems Louis doesn't want me to hear it either.

He lost a lot of money. Stop being a smartass. You only have the latter part down.

Skwirl posted:

Louis CK didn't have any of these restrictions on his shows before he was outed as a sex pest.

He also didn't have vultures fishing for a story back then.

Judakel
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Skwirl posted:

I don't have a good definition for what a proper apology should have been after being publicly outed for sexual harassment and honestly, probably assault, but what ever it is he sure as gently caress didn't do it. And he can live off royalties for the rest of his life and his children will be fine (we don't even know their last name).


You're arguing he needs a safe space to tell jokes when he was denying people a safe space to even exist.

How cute. You're using the safe space analogy. Regarding his apology: that moment has passed and apparently he is simply not interested in talking about it at length. I wish he were, because I am very curious. Some of his friends have hinted at it being not as it was portrayed. Regardless, he is getting exactly what any comedian with the same juice would demand they get. Sitting here complaining that he is getting that space because you want to poo poo on unfinished material to feel better about what he did is not going to change that.

Judakel fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Oct 7, 2019

Judakel
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Snowman_McK posted:

No, he lost a lot of potential earnings.

I mean, what even is your point? You forgot to say.

So he lost on practically guaranteed money plus money he used to self-finance projects.

I've said it multiple times.

Hodgepodge posted:

You're really pissed off at even inconveniencing him in any way.

So honestly, do you think he did anything wrong at all, or just something so insignificant that even critical scruitiny of his demands on his audiences is an unjust and unwarranted consequence?

Beating off in front of people is pretty hosed up. Complaining about his demands is dumb.

Judakel
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Snowman_McK posted:

so he didn't lose anything. It's not practically guaranteed if it' predicated on people being willing to watch him.

No, that's a loss. You don't have to care, but there's no need to spin it.

Hodgepodge posted:

It's hard to not read this as saying you consider these two things equally bad.

And it's crystal clear which of them you care about.

Why don't you just come out and say you WANT to read it that way, because you want to fruitlessly complain.

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Judakel
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Sodomy Hussein posted:

DiCaprio is rapidly becoming the new Jack Nicholson both in career and reputation.

God bless him.

Judakel
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I love how anyone is pretending this isn't mutually beneficial arrangement between these two people, even if unspoken.

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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

Weinstein probably made some of his victims into stars too, I guess everybody wins?

You've jumped the shark when you're quite explicitly comparing Quaid to Weinstein.

Judakel
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Human Tornada posted:

Aren't most marriages mutually beneficial e.g. I love and want to spend my life with my partner and she feels the same way?


Remember when someone posted about Thomas Middleditch bragging about bullying his wife into swinging after he got famous and somehow that was deemed inappropriate for the thread, but two adults getting married belongs here? And Jeff Goldblum (who also has a similar age difference with his partner, by the way) isn't handsy, he's "incredibly tactile". I guess being an internet-approved darling of the nerds has it's perks.

There's actual footage that TMZ captured years back of Jeff Goldblum asking for random women's phone numbers on the street. He has always been forward and plays it off as charm. This poo poo isn't surprising from him, but Nicole Cliffe is an idiot hack who was editor of the New York Post, so her tweets have no real value and she hasn't followed up with anything. That is why no one gave much of a poo poo.

Bust Rodd posted:

Nah you guys are right, these star crossed lovers just found their soulful connection to one another, and there is no possibility that a dude like 50 years older than this woman could have possibly groomed or otherwise manipulated her into believing something that isn’t really true. She’s a CONSENTING ADULT which the only thing that matters in these situations. Historically older men in Hollywood have never brandished their power and authority to get what they want or to present their young beautiful girlfriends as trophies, and they certainly never use them as status symbols to cement their ongoing desirability. It’s just a totally normal and not at all perfect example of the misogynistic culture of Hollywood in which men can and should last forever, perpetually hooking up with the youngest and most attractive woman until their bones literally rot and they can only bang their young starlets via a robotic exo-skeleton (A Sexo-Skeleton, if you will).

gently caress it. I will say it. He wants to gently caress a young, hot blonde and keeps in good shape for his age. She wants money and can stomach loving him. Talking about grooming in these circumstances makes you sound like you're throwing terms around that you've heard before without knowing what they mean. Who gives a poo poo about this beyond scolds?

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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Ma'am, is this man bothering you?

Judakel
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Unoriginal Name posted:

you sound like a healthy well-adjusted individual and so do they

Like I said: a scold.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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The media loves the controversy of a comeback.

Judakel
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Avian Pneumonia posted:

Remember this?



Never got any kind of info on this did we?

I actually pulled up this tweet a few weeks ago and as politely as possible asked: hey I think if this person has done anything inappropriate he deserves to be held to account for it. Will you be posting any updates or specifics, here?

No response was given and I was blocked.

She's a bored rich woman who used to work at the new york post. This is bored rich woman poo poo.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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He was always extremely good at playing creeps. His X Files episode is still the best one of the series.

Judakel
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well why not posted:

I watched the show and don't recognise those two. Jerry was way, way more prominent and possibly could be considered one of the 'leads' of the show. He's made out to be this glowing beacon of positivity the whole way through - a smiling face with a tragic background. One of the few people on the show who's not overtly psychotic or being totally manipulated.

Then it turns around that he's been busted by the FBI on child porn charges.

Right after interviewing Joe Biden, too. Amazing timing.

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Inspector Gesicht posted:

As a handsome but forgettable actor would he have ever hitten the big leagues if he was better at hiding his crime?

He's also tall.

Judakel
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Ego-bot posted:

Is Gloria Allred's reputation good? I've always thought of her as a sleazy ambulance chaser, but I may have her confused with someone else.

That is her rep, but Armie is definitely guilty given everything that has come out. He just seems like a jackass who couldn't respect boundaries, and you don't need this incident to realize that. The belt was a sign of that. Choking someone so hard you leave marks after they agree to let you put a belt around their necks is a dick move.

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Bust Rodd posted:

This is the actress from the AT&T commercials, responding to speculation that she’s covering up a baby bump because the most recent commercials are shooting her just above her bust line.

https://twitter.com/mintmilana/status/1373438495465730048?s=21

Honestly, 100% respect. Call this dogshit out, take ownership of your body, tell the creeps it is their fault. I like all of this.

She directs her own commercials? That's pretty impressive. I didn't think they'd let you do that.

Judakel
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CelticPredator posted:

Ninja sex party is nonsense silly words

My band's name is Monkey Cheese gently caress

Judakel
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I remember when fans made up a "retraction" from the person accusing Armie Hammer of having cannibalistic fantasies and it almost went away until women he had publicly dated came out and said he had said similar things to them. That opened the floodgates to people detailing the stuff he'd DONE to people that was physically abusive.

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Carthag Tuek posted:

imo they should just use their assistants as 5th grade go-betweens like "my friend thinks your friend is cute"

its a pre-app swipe, no face to face rejection

lol that's what leo started doing when me too was happening.

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Martman posted:

It's putting fame front and center though. How could it become anything but "you, naive young hot girl, have a chance to date a famous man! You'd better compete with the thousands of other people who want this famous person's attention"

Not really seeing how that gets rid of the power issues.

Who are they supposed to gently caress? only equally famous people?

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Judakel
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I got accused of calling for a benevolent despot for saying that if laws cannot deliver justice, they shouldn't be obeyed and, in fact, such regimes should be destroyed. You don't have to "well actually" any of this poo poo.

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