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esperterra posted:Also yeah AoC is lower in Canada as well (or at least is in BC, and it was digustingly low for a while in my lifetime but thankfully they bumped it the gently caress up at some point) so that may also be effecting my stance on the general idea of 17yos having sex with adults. The larger issue is that people often groom people while younger than that and then have sex with them after they are 17, so it's technically "legal." Which is no different than having sex with them when they're 14 or whatever. I personally know of two different cases where a guy lived with a girl when she was 13 and he was an adult (in one case while he was dating her mom!) and ended up having sex with her when 17 or 18, and while it's technically "legal," I see that as just being statutory rape.
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Basebf555 posted:The denials are really what ruins it in my opinion, more than anything specific in his apology. When you've denied accusations publicly for years, which as the effect of further emotionally harming the victims, to me you give up your ability to come clean later and expect forgiveness. The early accusations were wrong. They started third party, and the early accusations contain things like "he forced them to watch and closed the door and didn't allow them to leave" that a lot of people still believe. Also, his apology was good because it focused on the *point*. He, like *most* men even a decade or so ago, much less before then, did not understand implicit as opposed to explicit power, so pushing or getting a "yes" is all they needed to proceed in any sexual situation. Gen Xers grew up entirely with "get rich and famous and powerful so women want to gently caress you" - and it took decades of "getting powerful gives you power over people and removes consent" being put in the public eye to wipe that conditioning from our generation. Getting men to learn not to hit on their junior coworkers and employees (which happens alllllllll the time) is what people should take from his example. I personally believe in forgiveness when someone shows a pattern of learning and not offending again for cases of misconduct (which is not the same as assault). If we don't allow people to learn and change, what's the point? He figured that stuff out on his own, apparently, apologized via his own routine, and never (to our knowledge) repeated the misconduct.
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I just weigh misconduct on a different level than assault, and then levels within on top of that. I deal with various levels of misconduct and sometimes technically sometimes non serious assault on me at least once a week, and still aren't in the "throw those people under the bus" level with the people that do it - as the base issue is people just not understanding boundaries around other people, and that's something that is understandable and fixable. Especially with society and media telling men the complete wrong thing to do for forever. I'm not a woman, so I no doubt deal with less than most of them, but I can and do relate to a degree on being on the receiving end all of the time. Now when you're talking about actual patterns of predatory assault, that's not a mistake and shows intent, and *there* is where I place the "go hide somewhere forever" judgment. People like Spacey and Weinstein; gently caress them, never want to hear from them anymore, but with other cases, it depends entirely on knowledge, intent, admission, and change for me, personally.
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White straight males who have no real cultural things used to say they are lesser than other people may not realize it, but people who aren't that might just not like daily reminders of that, via the words that were/are used to tell them they are poo poo.
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I'm old enough to know that no one "accepted" Jackson sleeping with kids; its that you also saw years of buildup of Jackson trying to be a kid again HIMSELF (multiple songs, a billion news stories, Neverland Ranch, etc.), that people attributed his sleepovers to the psychosis he developed from his abuse as a child. Everyone saw Jackson as asexual, especially since nobody heard of believable sexual action before or after the time of the alleged abuse (which is also weird for someone that was accused of being that level of abuser). He was chalked up as an easy target *because* of his weirdness as opposed to his weirdness being something accepted, by those that didn't believe he did it. Unlike most abuse cases, there was motive to accuse there (money), and issues of possible grooming on younger minds EITHER WAY, which changed things as well. We already went through this and all the debates in the 90s when it took over the news cycle for like a year; it is just some people's first introduction to it now, framed around a documentary, which is why we're going through it again, except with him not around to defend himself like before. It's still stuck as a "we will never know"; the doc didn't change much except shift it against Jackson a little more by adding 3rd parties hearing possible things. And yeah, black people also saw it as a setup against a (the most powerful at the time) black person, at the time. Darko fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Mar 11, 2019 |
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kaworu posted:I always wanted to defend Jackson (and did, for a while) because public/famous people who violate race/gender/sexuality norms (just ONE of the three) are often treated like poo poo in the media, and people are quick to accuse them of things like homosexuality or pedophilia - or in the case of race a host of other things. Jackson challenged peoples' thinking with regards to all 3, of course - he seemed to want to transcend not just race, but sexuality and gender, too. In a sense he must have conceived of himself as something other than human or 'godlike' or who the gently caress knows.. Well, again, we saw day after day of news stories of Jackson trying to recreate his missed childhood before this happened, pre 24 hour news media, which kind of changed public reaction at the time, too. Everyone already knew he was crazy at that point. Back then, I remember my judgment was that his childishness probably had him revert to an "Ill show you mine if you show me yours" kind of thing (which is still horrible misconduct and child pornography and results in jailtime), but even younger, I still understood I had no idea what actually happened. As the years passed and nothing else happened, it started shifting things the other way, since the alleged incidents were so isolated. Robert Kelly is the reverse though. All us older Internet people saw the receipts and saw the clear pattern before and after. I rail on anyone currently trying to defend him even now on social media.
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Skwirl posted:The only evidence I know of is 1) a check that says in the memo "training and nutrition," which is how the people in question make their living, the amount seems high for that, but not outrageously so, 2) Video of them buying rope, doesn't look great, but circumstantial, it's legal to buy rope and if they're cross fit trainers I always see rope when I walk buy the cross fit place near me, 3) A confession after being interrogated by the Chicago PD for 46 hours, I don't know what the number of black men who've confessed to crimes they didn't commit after being in police custody for 2 days is, but I bet it's shockingly high. The Central Park 5 all confessed after all. That story was just too convenient for me. The big issue is that MAGA supremacists wouldn't watch his show and Fox wasn't talking about him, so there's no reason for him to be a target. Combined with modern social activists trying their best to prop themselves up way too much. Again, there's motive for false claim there. He's not even getting much defense on "black social media now, but part of that may be the gay angle, too. Darko fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Mar 11, 2019 |
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He's a prime case where nuance comes into play, where you don't judge it as yes or no, but as probably or probably not. People just like dichotomies.
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catapede posted:About Spacey: Do we have any other high-profile cases recently where the accused was gay? That probably didn't help Spacey. Also, Jehovah's Witnesses is a terrible cult style religion that has a huge correlation with mental illness, has a history of covering up sexual abuse, and has a large percentage of ex members committing suicide or dying early from drug related deaths...including...Michael Jackson and Prince.
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Mar 13, 2019 16:04
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Did Wright do a Tintin movie that was separate from Spielberg's?
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Zogo posted:Cardi B Responds to Backlash Over Video of Her Saying She Drugged and Robbed Men God, this is such an rear end backwards apology, and the social media response has been absolutely horrendous (women praising her, men victim blaming the men).
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Mar 27, 2019 21:21
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Muggings often create the same exact afterffects as (some) sexual assaults, and often far more than sexual misconduct (ie. People mugged when drugged or violently have similar reactions as to those sexually assaulted under the same conditions). And can be as damaging in other ways - all because two people aren't the same. Reaction to this has been an odd revelation where people are willing to victim blame and give passes in some instances but draw a harder line in lesser cases elsewhere.
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Liam Neeson brought up his idiotic thoughts to say "and I learned to never do this again" and Cardi B. said, "eh whatever." That's the issue. Most people are typically "I did this thing in the past but learned" as opposed to basically bragging about it. Also, again, it's weird that someone thinks that drugged mugging is somehow not as bad as, say, feeling someone up. They're the same thing - you're drugging someone and taking advantage of them without their consent. It may a bit different for me being on "black social media," with the constant praising of her for doing this, but the response to this whole thing has been absolutely disgusting.
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Bust Rodd posted:It’s almost as if they aren’t dating 24 year old super models for their life-experience. Yeah, who cares about two adults loving. Everything isn't about dating, and this doesn't even have anything to do with the thread at had, really.
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Apr 3, 2019 14:48
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Bust Rodd posted:Well it’s kinda interesting because more than half the threads content is less cut-and-dry sexual assault and based on power dynamic. There's practically never an equal balance of power in any relationship. Someone has more experience, or is smarter, or makes more money, or looks better, whatever. Louis CK's initial apology, before he became a gigantic dick about it, explained it. Even if he didn't know what he was doing at the time specifically, him being in a position of professional power over those women due to his clout, meant that their consent was basically nullified. It's the same as a guy dating a junior coworker where he may be able to influence her job and position (which is also why you have to report office relationships to HR in large companies). That's also why this kind of thing is situational and not an either/or thing. The power differential between a minor and a much older adult is never reconcilable, so you can draw a hard line there. Same with a situation where someone literally threatens a career. Or someone assaulting another. But relative power differentials between consenting adults is all dependent on context and specifics. Darko fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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Rhyno posted:Are we shipping now? revolutionary joke
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CK could have gotten out of it much easier if he handled it better. The original rumors actually were actually somewhat false (the "he stopped them from leaving" stuff is still in the public consciousness, even now, and colors how people see what happened) and he was right to deny them. But instead of saying right then and there that "I got consent at the time, and have a fetish and didn't understand the power differential that informs how consent works, am sorry, and have not done anything like that since," like he did in his letter - he just denied and ignored it, which made everything worse. I guess he figured it would just blow over, but it was a bad move, just like his attempt at a comeback. He seems like he just makes a lot of idiotic decisions around this whole thing, which explains why he would have taken nervous "yes, because I think you're joking" as an excuse to pull his dick out.
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I'm on the phone but I'm guessing people are posting his roofie routines.
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I still cannot fathom how a man who the whole Internet saw peeing on an underage girl because his sex tape leaked in 2000 or whatever still insists on keeping sex tapes, knowing that he is at least under more scrutiny. He got away with it even though he was in clear view of everyone else and is just so hosed up in the head that he has to keep on doing it.
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GrandpaPants posted:Out of curiosity, how did R Kelly escape a jail sentence given that there's video evidence? Victim wouldn't testify, that made identifying her with low quality video evidence inconclusive.
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Jul 13, 2019 18:53
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Robert Kelly was also sexually assaulted for years from like 7 to 15, according to his biography, so there's probably more going on there than just being rich-narcissist. He should have just had people get him help when he first started obviously showing his issues instead of enabling him (and that includes fans enabling him by still supporting him).
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Jul 14, 2019 15:08
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Didn't the Boondocks episode basically say that? 'If you actually want to help him, stop him doing this poo poo'. There's another layer with black people on top of that; there's paranoia (for good reason) that any attack against famous/powerful black men is white people attempting to suppress black people; so there's kind of an auto-protection that comes in whenever any famous black person is charged with anything. The Boondocks episode on R Kelly is one of the best things I've seen as it touches on so much at once. Shame Rosa Parks got cut from that episode, too.
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I'm thinking "sex tape" brings the right thing to mind, because since Anderson/Hilton, it's what society knows as taping oneself as having sex with someone else. I'd say "sex tapes with children" if I were to write the headline to bring the proper image to the fore.
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Timby posted:Shaw gets done dirty. Vickers was better than Shaw, Vickers got done dirty.
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Basebf555 posted:What? She falls down and the ship continues rolling straight ahead and crushes her, she never runs off to the side. I just did a 10 page essay in plans for a video essay for this and looked at this scene in super detail. At the beginning of the scene, both start running for the sides, but debris starts falling right as they run for the edges, which redirects them to running in the path of the falling ship (as debris falls around them, it keeps them on that path since under the falling ship is the only area blocking them). Darko fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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Cacator posted:Let me be clear, I'm in no way blaming Mia for Woody's actions or suggesting she's lying about Dylan, but if the intent of the filmmakers is to convince people unequivocally that Woody Allen is a child molester then they are doing themselves a disservice by not doing more to address and refute the counter arguments from Allen's side. Not mentioning some details at all just opens the documentary up to more doubt and criticism, especially as that Atlantic article notes that much of those arguments are already out there and known to the public. Finding Neverland didn't cover Jackson's defense or counter evidence at all - so it was just guilty of something else. This one so far is just pretty non empathetic and I'm not learning much that I can't just read elsewhere. I'm not a fan of docs like this in general, except for exposing things that you may not have heard before (I know I personally hedged more on alleged victims' side than before after Finding Neverland, but only for exposing things that weren't seen in the court cases back then). I mean, Allen was pretty much dead in the water to me after being with someone he groomed; someone's actions before/after accusations are pretty damning as to the accusations for me and the main thing I look at.
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Shageletic posted:Do these folks get OT? That's a 15 hour workday. Union and background do. Shoots are often long hours. Actors generally have set rates unless their contracts are claused.
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ImpAtom posted:It's intentional but the way Freddy went from the villain to what about to the guy you're expected to cheer for makes it a whole lot more uncomfortable in bad ways. You arent expected to cheer for him, youre looking forward to the creativity of the kills, which is a slight distinction. 4 was when the series switched over to Freddy kill fun, and its also when the movies strictly switched over to him ignoring his history at all (he had killed every kid of the people that burned him at that point and was now all about eating souls).
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Alan_Shore posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole slasher thing killing teens bonking in beds started with Halloween, and it wasn't anything to do with any sort of artsy fartsy commentary, John Carpenter just needed this teen couple to be distracted while Myers sneaks up on them, and thought "hmm, what could this couple be doing where they wouldn't notice a murderer behind them... EUREKA" Not the only teen couple who had sex killed in that movie. Deaths of artists and stuff; the subtext built itself.
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CelticPredator posted:It also did it really bad because they had this “Freddy innocent???” Angle going for a bit and then it’s like ah nope he was a pedo. It was also stupid because him being falsely accused at that point and creating a horror demon because of that would have been more interesting than a last minute, no he's a pedo swerve. That whole movie was just a waste.
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ImpAtom posted:I get what you're saying but I don't think there is anything I'd like to see less than the monster of False Rape Accusations. Make Freddy black then. Edit: crap, basically just re-invented Candyman.
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False Rape is a kind of big deal with black people as it was a lot more prevalent as either an excuse to lynch them or white women excusing having hooked up with black men when caught. Also why I mentioned earlier that black people get way more defensive of a Kobe or whoever that get accused.
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Shageletic posted:ugh don't try to conflate all black people as supporting that poo poo Didn't say it was all, but its high and for the reasons of black men being railroaded by that far too much, even in relatively recent times due to racism.
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