Uncle Wemus posted:

esperterra posted:

Also fair warning I don't find the relationship super gross in the finished story b/c lbr I may be gay af but when I was 16 I woulda died for a 20something Indiana Jones to have an illicit affair with me, in fact Marion and Indy's back and forth is a big part of why I love Raiders so much. It's a bit of a weird footnote on the whole thing, but Ford and Allen killed it and they both rule. Also it's fiction and lmao it's not like Indiana Jones is exactly supposed to be a good guy.

Woulda been really weird af if she were as young as initially pitched, though, and probably wouldn't have landed at all unless through some miracle of black comedy, which would have been pretty hard to weave into the tone of the rest of the movie unless the entire product came out differently.

and Lucas is indeedy goony af

e: ^^ yeah racial and sexism stuff I am def well versed in when it comes to pulp/etc, I was like born and bred on radio plays but the more sexual aspects of a pulp tale were probably hella toned down in those due to the nature of listening in with your family

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

How old was Indy supposed to be when he banging teens

I never saw Raiders, just Last Crusade

quote:

Marion entered into a relationship with Indiana Jones during this time (when she was 15, according to the novelization of Raiders of the Lost Ark). Jones abruptly left the Ravenwoods in 1926; Marion was about 16 or 17 years old when the relationship finished, and Jones was 27, ten years her senior.

[....]

[Karen] Allen came up with her own backstory for the character, such as what happened to her mother, her romance with Indiana at age 15 or 16, and her time in Nepal; Spielberg described it as "an entirely different movie".[3]

quote:

Lawrence Kasdan: I like it if they already had a relationship at one point. Because then you don't have to build it.
George Lucas: I was thinking that this old guy could have been his mentor. He could have known this little girl when she was just a kid. Had an affair with her when she was eleven.
Kasdan: And he was forty-two.
Lucas: He hasn't seen her in twelve years. Now she's twenty-two. It's a real strange relationship.
Steven Spielberg: She had better be older than twenty-two.
Lucas: He's thirty-five, and he knew her ten years ago when he was twenty-five and she was only twelve.
Lucas: It would be amusing to make her slightly young at the time.
Spielberg: And promiscuous. She came onto him.
Lucas: Fifteen is right on the edge. I know it's an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once she's sixteen or seventeen it's not interesting anymore. But if she was fifteen and he was twenty-five and they actually had an affair the last time they met. And she was madly in love with him and he...
Spielberg: She has pictures of him.

Groovelord Neato posted:

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/992422682837696512

Blazing Ownager posted:

That is not clear at all.

Alhazred posted:

I think you can if that person actively lied about the facts.

Groovelord Neato posted:

why wouldn;t the undercover cop wear a condom asks this observer.

Timby posted:

Yeah. It's really saddening and depressing when you realize that, for the longest time, you could have it be an open secret that you sodomize puppies and devour kittens, and no one would give a poo poo as long as you made people money.

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Oh I'm definitely not trying to excuse his behaviour. But if you're a Tool fan and that song helped you cope or something (which is a thing lots of music fans do) because it made you feel less alone, you quite possibly have a real sour taste in your mouth right now.

I'm sure a lot of Tool fans are just straight up in denial, too.

quote:

It took so long to remember just what happened
I was so young and vestal then
You know it hurt me
But I'm breathing so I guess I'm still alive
Even if signs seem to tell me otherwise
I've got my hands bound
My head down, my eyes closed
And my throat wide open

Do unto others what has been done to you

I'm treading water
I need to sleep a while
My lamb and martyr, you look so precious
Won't you come a bit closer
Close enough so I can smell you
I need you to feel this
I can't stand to burn too long
Released in this sodomy
For one sweet moment I am whole

Do unto you now what has been done to me

You're breathing so I guess you're still alive
Even if signs seem to tell me otherwise
Won't you come just a bit closer
Close enough so I can smell you
I need you to feel this
I need this to make me whole
There's release in this sodomy
For I am your witness that
Blood and flesh can be trusted
And only this one holy medium brings me peace of mind

Rhyno posted:

Why would you even listen to music then?

zandert33 posted:

I remember years ago on SA reading pages and pages of horrible dead baby and rape jokes. Did this site become so freaking neutered that we support people calling for blood about a person who made some dirty joke tweets years ago?

Give me a freaking break people.

zandert33 posted:

I never said WE were, but it's clear that people are siding with the types of people who ARE calling for blood.

zandert33 posted:

Sure seems like it. Here we are in the sexual assault thread talking about a person getting fired over a stupid joke. Why is it even in the same conversation?

Seems black and white to James Gunn right now.

chitoryu12 posted:

And like I said in my last post, the show director at Walt Disney World is a literal rapist who offers sex in exchange for jobs.

Relevant Tangent posted:

Fire those people as well. I get the argument here is he's changed etc. but why don't we just find someone who didn't make lovely jokes? I don't understand why this dude is worth defending. You're not obligated to defend a dude just because the people accusing him are poo poo.

lelandjs posted:

I expect people not to fall for obvious bullshit from the alt-right.

DC Murderverse posted:

Disney is the largest media company in the world and is going to get significantly larger in the next 1-2 years because of the Fox acquisition. Their goal is to not get on the bad side of anyone, and since they (rightfully) shitcanned Roseanne for being a lovely racist a couple months ago, they are likely saying "this is our new line, if someone has done/said something lovely we need to get rid of them quick, we don't need them, we can just find someone else because we have more money than god". At the same time, a bunch of bad faith actors (which might as well be the subtitle of the whole alt-right movement) who were pissed when Roseanne got fired (because they also are lovely racists) were looking for someone to target to make Disney take that same stand again.

This is likely only going to be more commonplace as time goes on and Disney controls more of the media. One of their public-facing employees will do something heinous and get fired, people who sympathize with said person will find someone else who opposes them and has said heinous things in the past, and will make this same argument again. This fight is inherently unfair because one side is not fighting in good faith and will take any position that will benefit them, and Disney doesn't give a poo poo if the people complaining are being morally forthright about their intentions because all they see are unhappy talking bags of money, and the less unhappy talking bags of money the better. Maybe this will hurt them if people who are pissed off about the firing actually don't go see Guardians 3 or even *gasp* don't go see the next Avengers movie, but they're betting that they won't skip them, and honestly it's a pretty safe bet that they're still gonna make bundles of cash. If you want Disney to stop paying attention to bad-faith actors in situations like this you need to give them financial incentive.

*THAT BEING SAID* those jokes were genuinely lovely, the things that Gunn apologized for when he got the Guardians job were his gross blog posts and not (to my awareness) his lovely edgelord tweets, and while this borders on victim-blaming, if you're a famous person you should really have someone whose job it is to monitor your past social media and delete it if it's even slightly controversial. There are entire businesses devoted to just such a thing, and if you have enough money that you can afford them, you probably need them if you've ever been on Twitter/Facebook/other social media.

Fart City posted:

Looks like Dan Harmon is getting the Gunn treatment now.

Looking forward to the hell we find ourselves in when the only media that’s left after all of this are Tim Allen show reruns.

Fart City posted:

Jesus.

AlternateAccount posted:

Sorry for the TMZ link, but https://www.tmz.com/2018/08/22/asia-argento-17-year-old-boy-in-bed-photo-sex-texts/