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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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It's frankly naive to think this will make people in other fields more willing to come forward or reject coercion. Nothing has changed about the dynamics of power for anyone who can't leverage media attention against their abusers, which virtually no one but celebrities victims or victims of celebrities can do

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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Good coaches and artists are also not fungible resources. If winning is the top priority, you won't fire the best coach just cause he fucks kids cause all the not kid loving coaches won't get you Gold. It's a nasty and perverse situation that speaks to a rottenness at the core of the whole concept

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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precision posted:

She's trying to walk it back now, very poorly. All she's apologizing for is the timing of what she said:

https://www.avclub.com/lena-dunham-apologizes-for-defending-girls-writer-accus-1820580917

Aurora Perrineau is a wild rear end name, also I think she's Mercutio from Romeo+Juliet's daughter

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Oh no, not consensual relations with sex workers. Sex workers making more in a night than most people do in a month no less. Like even if true, what kind of threat is slut shaming a dude for hiring escorts? No one cares

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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A buddy of mine runs a well regarded bar in downtown Chicago and not only do they require you to go to bar tending school he had to get some of kind of accreditation as a sommelier but for beer

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Autechresaint posted:

I could believe lucas is one, just based on the character back story for indiana Jones that had him having sex with an 11-13 yo marian.

Do you suspect heís a mass murderer because Indiana Jones shoots a lot of Nazis?

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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peer posted:

fuckin lol dude

It was a weird idea and a weird conversation (between Lucas and Spielberg) but ďconsidered writing a character as a pedophileĒ is not evidence of being a pedophile.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Just a reminder that they didnít just ďconsiderĒ it, that poo poo made it into the movie.

Itís not specific but she does say she was ďa childĒ. You could read that figuratively but he definitely took advantage of her and is a creep at minimum

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Oh old pulp stories are SUPER skeezy. At least the Indy movies avoided the blatant racism until the second one.

But yeah, ďit was a different timeĒ always feels like a cop out but... it was a different time.

The nastiest part of their discussion is when they discuss her coming on to him and the plain implication is how hard that would be to turn down :puke:

The conversation, both specifically and the general discussion at the time, just assumed this super pervy male perspective as a given

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Barto posted:

I'm sure the man who has murdered people in cold blood, had people tortured, and locked up anyone who disagreed with him---I'm sure this man was the very model of an admirable feminist who always asked for consent.

No, you are wrong. And you are wrong (so blatantly wrong) and not being challenged for it in this thread which is overflowing with passion about this topic. Of course it's political. Just like when the despicably raped Paula Jones was "a bimbo" when it was politically convenient for some. Ansari is guilty of all sorts of things for having a power disparity because of the fact he's a not-that-widely known half-assed comic talent. And that's true to some extent. And what of the man who controls your life? What of the the glorious leader? There can be no consent, he was a violent rapist. Name one dictator who hasn't ended up being a rapist, I would be curious to hear your list.

Take your values and apply them or stand a hypocrite.

What on earth is going on in this post, I can make neither head nor tails of what you're talking about

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

In the Oakland case, the officers accused an charged were referring each other to an underage sex worker. That is a literal definition of a trafficking ring and it's a much more depressing and common scenario than whatever ethical fantasy you could dream up, much more often cops are doing poo poo like lying to cover each other's asses, doing "random stops" to get their numbers up, planting drugs and guns, abusing people in custody.

I was absolutely amazed when I actually did reading on sexual assault in the prison system and learned that less than 5 percent of the cases cited are sexual assaults by other inmates. Even if that phenomenon is massively underreported (and it likely is) the disproportionate focus away from institutional abuse is alarming.

Here in Pittsburgh (actually outside the city) the cops were doing stings where they slept with the sex workers first, and one of them tried to sue when the story broke because it hosed up his marriage when his wife found out he was getting rape blowjobs on company time

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I think the best example of this is the John K. stuff, it's not even like it was remotely hidden, it's just that he was their boss.

Thatís at least a fraught context. Lots of these people were his peers.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I think what made me aghast in that article (other than the obvious) was that it became apparent pretty quickly that the people around John K. obviously didn't give a poo poo.

Yeah it was a running joke that he was loving kids in junior high. It's not a fucken joke y'all

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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GrandpaPants posted:

This is also super hosed up: https://www.refinery29.com/arden-myrin-harassment-female-comedian-sexist-jokes

The creep in question has at least copped to it, albeit in a rather unsatisfying apology:

https://twitter.com/brendonwalsh/status/1017519690359320576

I donít even get how this is a joke

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Hat Thoughts posted:

i think its funny he said
https://twitter.com/brendonwalsh/status/1017520122171252736
like she didn't get it when if he paid attention 2 her writing he'd notice she said

le missed point guy

Oh I uh...get it, I guess

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Savy Saracen salad posted:

I do not understand why all this hysteria and fear coming from men about "being called a rapist if you approach a woman"? Especially coming from a handsome and rich bloke like Cavil? Me and my friends love to party and travel and we have been to clubs and concerts from all over the globe from Rio to Beirut to Bali. I am not american and the situation for me appears simple and does not require hundreds of essays stating an obvious thing. Approach a woman confidently and normally and you can tell in the first minute if she enjoys your presence or not you withdrew and do not take it personally. I do not understand why this is hard?

Cavil isnít American either

Edit hmm perhaps press refresh

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Basebf555 posted:

Right, so given his criminal history, his co-workers feel uncomfortable with him around. So therefore it makes sense to me that as an employer I would not want to hire him. Shane Black felt differently.

Tbh I still don't understand what you're even driving at. So what if someone who sexually assaults children has trouble finding work? Is that a problem? Why would that be a primary concern here?

I mean ex cons should not be economically disadvantaged, no. But the dude made his choices, people arenít gonna want to be around him, especially not former targets of assault, and heís not entitled to any particular line of work, boo hoo

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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sounds like Black doesnít know what survival of the the fittest means

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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She was good with a very limited character in Magic Mike

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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A Buttery Pastry posted:

AFAIK, European feminist movements in general can be a bit guarded vis-a-vis the American feminist movement, because the latter effectively rewrites history. Not purposefully, it's just that the internet has given the American feminist movement as much cultural power as American pop culture - and thus young feminists in Europe are taught a history of feminism that's just downright false within their own context. Basically leading the younger generation to lash out at their older compatriots for poo poo they had no part in at all.* Obviously none of that actually justifies defending this poo poo, it's more a thing to keep in mind if you get mystified by the stuff coming out of non-American movements in general.

Would you mind explaining what youíre referring to

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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A Buttery Pastry posted:

The basic issue is that (Continental) European feminism comes from a different tradition than American feminism, due to the very different societies from which they first spawned. American feminism has traditionally been liberal in nature, focusing on issues that are/were important to upper-middle-class white women while ignoring the perspectives of working class or non-white women. A lot of European movements on the other hand have been directly worker-focused since their inception around the start of the 19th century - though conversely, some took an explicitly anti-socialist tack as a reaction. These worker-focused European movements have probably also been more structural in their critique, given their socialist bent.

Anyway, this liberal American approach unsurprisingly failed to serve the needs of a lot of women, so feminism in the US eventually evolved into a more intersectional direction as a result - with a lot of criticism directed at the previous waves. Which is entirely fair, but clearly you shouldn't just take those criticisms and direct them at a movement with an entirely different history. Like, there's probably still a lot of useful lessons from the modern American movements, but it probably doesn't make much sense to critique a socialist feminist movement for not caring about working class women.

I guess Iím not sure what this has to do with the muted response to sexual harassment/assault in the European film industries so I didnít understand it as a response to the post you quoted

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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L0VE posted:

I remember reading that one when it was posted in I think the Fantasy/Sci-fi thread, thinking that something absolutely monstrous must have happened since the blogger seemed so reluctant to spell out the details. But then at the end all I could gather was that she had been lied to while the guy was cheating on her. A real rear end in a top hat move by the guy, but her saying "[She] was set up, groomed, emotionally manipulated, sexually exploited" might be an accurate description, yet it sounds a lot worse than "He cheated on me during our relationship". Was a while ago and I'm not a native English speaker so very possible I missed something.

Yeah thatís incredibly long and by the end Iím still not sure what sheís saying happened.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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SunshineDanceParty posted:

I'm always confused why more people don't do poo poo like that. Disappointed more than confused. Good for her.

I dunno about heroic but thatís a fucken great heckle

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Corrosion posted:

Anyone who has Alex Jones on for a friendly chat ainít cool.

No argument exactly but whatís your opinion on Linklater (I typed soderbergh at first like an IDIOT)

DeimosRising fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Dec 14, 2018

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Yowza.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Hat Thoughts posted:

*starts to build set, thinks long & hard about the most transgressive, offensive, and downright rowdy activities someone in their late teens/early 20s could get into*
"Yeah, when I was a kid, we smoked weed and ate the - we ate the fFuckin MAGIC Mushrooms"

Finger loving each other. Itís a bacchanal over here yíall

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Timeless Appeal posted:

I find the question of how these men redeem themselves to be disingenuous. Because it implies folks are actually worried about how men like Louis CK are going to take care of their children and keep a roof over their heads.

The reality is that people are concerned for their own consumption not the actual creator.

These guys didnít do a few years for pushing dope and now they got kids, bills, no skills, and a record. Garofolo can cry what about the kids all day while CKís poor daughters go to Ivies with no debt and find themselves by spending a year in Europe on a never ending ecstasy high. No one is denying these guys a livelihood, their jobs are just hobbies. They donít deserve a moment of pity

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Bust Rodd posted:

I remember looking this up for a bet because we were so sure it would be a southern state with the lowest AoC but apparently 12 was legal in Delaware until like 60 years ago.

As known cool woke dude and representative Delawarean Joe Biden once said, the only reason they didnít secede was they didnít share a border with Virginia

DeimosRising fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Feb 27, 2019

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Bust Rodd posted:

Half your age + 7 is the best rule for dating as an adult in terms of weirdness.

My sole caveat here is that while a 20 year old should probably not be legally barred from dating a 17 year old, it does make you a big loving loser

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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drat so many lawyers in this thread I had no idea

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Bust Rodd posted:

It was only a matter of time before progressives reclaimed rape from cis-het men.

I didnít watch the video but she didnít say she sexually assaulted them right? She did what ye olde timey prostitutes called slipping them a Mickey. Thatís just a mugging

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Darko posted:

Muggings often create the same exact afterffects as (some) sexual assaults, and often far more than sexual misconduct (ie. People mugged when drugged or violently have similar reactions as to those sexually assaulted under the same conditions). And can be as damaging in other ways - all because two people aren't the same. Reaction to this has been an odd revelation where people are willing to victim blame and give passes in some instances but draw a harder line in lesser cases elsewhere.

Iím not saying mugging someone is good, but itís not what this thread is about, not as bad as sexual assault, and I just donít see street crimes as some unwashable moral stain on a personís soul

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Bust Rodd posted:

Edit: nvm

I feel so loving bad for Al Franken trying to set an example and basically just getting cannibalized by his own team. He was a great politician and really cared about his constituents and didnít deserve this.

Biden sucks, but I trust that Obama wouldnít hang out with anyone on a Dershowitz level. I know he loves Hilary but I donít know if he and Bill were close.

Lol youíre on a roll go for three in a row

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Egbert Souse posted:

Am I reading things incorrectly or was his ex angry she wasn't invited to the Christopher Robin premiere even after the alleged abuse?

She says it was an unhealthy, codependent relationship that doesnít seem weird to me

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Skwirl posted:

He says that's the reason she's accusing him of these things.

Again, I don't want to say she's lying, but it would have been helpful if the reporters at least attempted to verify anything. She apparently called the cops and at one point a deputy had to pull out his gun, there should be some sort of paper trail.

Yeah, the cop would definitely report an altercation with a rich old white guy, and do all the paperwork that entails. Definitely

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Skwirl posted:

You can verify if a phone call was made to the police, that should be public record. I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm saying the reporter should have maybe made at least one phone call to check.

The guy who pulled his gun was an off dirty cop she was on a date with

Edit Iím leaving that typo

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Alan_Shore posted:

I'm so confused by this Moby thing. So he claims he dated Natalie Portman, she says no WTF, and he's like "...but we did." How do you not know if you're dating?

In all likelihood they went out a couple times, which she viewed as just going places with a friend and hanging out, and he saw as initial steps towards loving a teenager

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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DrVenkman posted:

Someone on Twitter asked about the dudes in Landis' life, and I did wonder about that. But he also strikes me as the type who has a lot of 'female friends' because that usually helps guys like him pull off what they do.

Remember that 'Lax Mandis' script that made The Blacklist? It's not very good, like at all, and it feels like it had been written in a night. But you know the only reason it made that list is because they knew Landis would see it and that it was a big 'gently caress you' to him.

The article mentions a couple guys who cut ties with him for being a piece of poo poo, but itís hard to actually ďdo somethingĒ about this stuff in our society. As any mandated reporter knows, most of the time a report to the authorities achieves nothing, and when someone has a lot of social power like this usually all you can do is call them out to people who trust you and accept that he/she and anyone they have influence over will probably ostracize you. If anything it sounds like what is bringing landis down is that the orbit of rejected and ostracized former friends reached critical mass and outnumbered his loyal minions

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Enjoying it too much O_0

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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Maxwell Lord posted:

Yeah the thing about chiropractors is it sounds like a scientific discipline but isn't.

Itís extremely wild that literally almost all insurance plans cover it, and most cover office visits with loving naturopaths too

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