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21 Muns posted:I think he also said we should lower our standard and ignore sexual harassment because it's not rape. Pretty disgusting stuff. He didn't quite say that. It was more "all this poo poo is on a spectrum, it's not all equally severe." It's technically true, but 99% of the time the person bringing it up is doing it to downplay the severity of the least bad end of the spectrum. Saying rape is worse than an uninvited rear end-grabbing is true, but the subtext is "so stop bitching that you got your rear end grabbed, it isn't a big deal."
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sleep with the vicious posted:Family guy was making fun of spacey and Weinstein years ago. People knew and acting like it's all a surprise is a joke. Its like people that are shocked, shocked to find out athletes are doping - come the gently caress on And Bill Cosby. Seth MacFarlane also made a "joke" about Weinstein when he hosted the Oscars. Team America made a joke about lecherous casting directors, too. It was all over the goddamn place, but people only hear what they want to hear.
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Timby posted:At the same show, though, he did the "We Saw Your Boobs" thing, so... The subject of a joke is not the same as the object of a joke.
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Fart City posted:Yeah, it's like Advanced Level Hubris. Like, even if the stories hadn't broke before it came out, you'd have to assume that the subject matter would invite the women he assaulted to feel compelled to speak up afterwards. Did you read his apology? It's pretty obvious that, at the time for sure, and possibly even to this day, he doesn't think he did anything wrong. Why would he be worried about it? Note: to be 100% clear, I don't agree he did nothing wrong -- he certainly did a lot of bad things -- I'm just saying that's probably what his state of mind was.
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It's possibly to criticize journalistic practice without necessarily implying that the story is false. In whatever job you do, if you make a fuckup, it's valuable to figure out how not to make that fuckup again, even if everything turned out alright regardless of the fuckup. One thing I've noticed about some of #MeToo stuff is that people are reading a lot into innocent and true statements. "Hey, Babe maybe made a few missteps in their coverage of this story, which could compromise their credibility with some people. While I believe their account, here's some things they could improve." "OH WHAT, SO YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE STORY? WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING ANSARI?" "Seeing a penis against your will, while bad, is not as bad as being raped. Various things can all be bad without all bad things being equally bad." "WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING FLASHERS AND SEXUAL HARASSERS?" I understand that a lot of this has to do with the deplorable way in which these accusations have been handled in the past, but it does come off as a bit over the top.
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Capn Jobe posted:One course had an assignment wherein students were to write a one act play based on a song of their choice. This wasn't a big class, maybe 8 people, but every student except my friend based theirs on the same song (a Death Cab for Cutie song). That right there speaks volumes. Just on this basis, I hate everyone in that class except your friend.
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Jan 27, 2018 21:00
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AceOfFlames posted:I'd watch a play based on that. Truth.
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STAC Goat posted:And I don't see feet as sexual so I kind of don't know how to determine whether contextless pictures of feet are sexual in nature. Like I'm open to the idea that they might be sexual to a foot fetishist but without some context that I recognize as sexual I don't see how we tell the difference between sexual feet and just feet. I suppose it's like nude images of minors -- they aren't always child pornography -- for example, the cover of Nirvana's Nevermind -- but if you were to have a collection of otherwise non-sexual images, with no common thread between them other than containing nude children, it's loving gross and weird. Or the weirdos on reddit who were collecting images of teenagers that were meant to be non-sexual, but were clearly collected for sexual reasons. Asking kids to write things on their feet and send pictures is way past the line for "creepy" even if it's not technically a crime.
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DC Murderverse posted:the article is kinda poorly written but I don't think Uma is trying to say that she thinks Quentin literally tried to kill her to protect Harvey. I think she's saying that she realized that Quentin is a part of the larger apparatus of Hollywood that uses women as tools rather than seeing them as people and, following her attack by Weinstein, she saw the crash and the way she was pushed into it as a sort of cosmic relation to that attack. Two different men, one with intention and one with ignorance, damaged her mentally and physically because they were empowered by a system that tells powerful men who make a lot of money that the feelings of others are secondary to their own wants and needs, whether they're sexual or artistic. That's how I read it as well. I like Tarantino's films, but goddamn, that's extremely lovely. Maybe unforgiveable, for someone who should obviously know better.
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Feb 4, 2018 14:05
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:i mean from a lot of the celebrity stories i've read from the '60s and '70s, statutory rape was just something you did back then (obviously the Polanski thing is more than just statutory rape) I'm also guessing he may have heard Polanski's side of the story direct from Polanski himself, which probably cast Polanski in a slightly more positive light than "yeah I drugged a 13 year old and then raped her." That doesn't make it right, but it can take a lot of introspection to consider that you, or someone you like and respect, did a really awful thing.
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Snowman_McK posted:Like, not a single defence of Polanski actually holds any water. All of them are people working backwards, Scalia style. They can't quite reconcile that a brilliant director did something so awful, and so they perform some mental gymnastics until it's not a big deal. I think the random, gruesome murder of his wife and unborn son also feeds into some of the sympathy toward Polanski specifically. There may have been a collective feeling that, yeah, that was really hosed up and traumatizing, so maybe we cut him some slack on the rape thing. That's not the right thing to do, obviously, but it's at least somewhat understandable.
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precision posted:Half the time the women just let their dress or skirt just flop all over the toilet and I'm always like "gross". No matter how clean a toilet is, why tempt fate? Same with scenes where someone pukes in a dirty toilet and hangs on to the sides when there's a sink right there Spoken like someone who's never had to pick semi-solid bits of their puke out of the sink while hungover!
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Inescapable Duck posted:You don't want to puke into a sink, goddamn. Personally, I squat over the sink when taking a poo poo, lest my virgin asscheeks graze the toilet bowl. I mean, doesn't everyone???
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Feb 9, 2018 03:59
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precision posted:I literally don't know a single woman who lets their clothing drape over a toilet, if you're trying to imply I'm some kind of bizarre germ phobe. Nah, that was more about the puking thing. Puke and poo poo belong in toilets.
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Snowman_McK posted:On the subject, Quentin Tarantino apologised. Quentin Tarantino strikes me as a fuckup and a deeply weird person, but one that recognizes he should be and can be better. Ironically, he was never Jimmie from Pulp Fiction, he's Jules at the very end. He's a habitual line-stepper, but I'd rather that, followed by an honest apology like the above, rather than Middleditch's whinging drivel about MeToo and TJ Miller.
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As it turns out, it's possible to be both a courageous victim, and also a complete nut.
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exquisite tea posted:"People will stop making movies with sex in them anymore for fear of being persecuted" lmao do all these guys read from the same script? They do understand the difference between film and reality, right? Right???
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chitoryu12 posted:It's almost like the problem isn't that kids need to have their dress policed, but that men are raised in ways that encourage them to be creeps. Yeah, agreed. I've seen some decent arguments for school uniforms, but none of them include "maybe the children are just too sexy otherwise?" because that's extremely loving weird and if you think that's a reasonable argument for school uniforms, you should probably cut off your dick and balls just to be safe.
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Snowman_McK posted:Nope. In Canberra, where I live, there's strict zoning rules, so a portion of every suburb is public housing. It's a measure to avoid slums. It works pretty well. However, the poorer kids, even at schools with uniforms, have grubbier uniforms, they'll wear a jumper instead of a shirt, if they're really unlucky, they'll smell. When everyone is supposed to look the same, the people that don't stand out even more. This is a good point, I hadn't really thought about it like that, primarily because in North America we tend to notice the problems with the system we're most familiar with (no uniforms) so we don't really see the problems with the alternative as clearly.
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DrVenkman posted:Like there's a really bad point buried within what Gilliam is saying. Damon said some things in a dumb way, but it's not like his career is over for it. He'll be fine. Yeah, it's like Bill Maher defending Billy Bush. No, he doesn't have to "go away forever." Yes, he probably should show even the barest amount of self-reflection and perhaps attempt a meaningful apology if he wants to be in the public eye again. Like that's too loving much to ask, or something...
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Electric Bugaloo posted:so I guess being incel is now a bonafide terrorist motivator with two major incidents notched in North America in under a decade. Not within the past decade, but let's not forget about the Ecole Polytechnique shooting. Terrorism by lovely virgins since 1989!
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porfiria posted:Im pretty sure isis and al qaeda were incel organizations at the end of the day. Well ISIS did recruit by promising sex slaves to sad sack morons in the west who couldn't get laid any other way, so: yes. Yes they are.
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Groovelord Neato posted:for every false accusation there are ~150 sexual assaults. pretty good odds for believing a victim. It's also worth remembering that, of those false accusations, exceedingly few of them involve an accuser who's simply out to extort someone or ruin their lives -- in a lot of cases, there's mental illness involved on the part of false accusers, sometimes to the point they very literally believe they were raped or abused by a certain celebrity. There is absolutely no epidemic of people knowingly making false rape or sexual abuse allegations.
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I think one thing that shouldn't be forgotten with Argento, whether the allegations are true or not, is that regardless of whatever she did, she is still a victim. She may also be an offender, but whether she is or not is completely irrelevant to whether she was, herself, victimized.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Funny that the article leaves out his previous sexual assault conviction. Didn't he also hang his pecker out to take a piss in the middle of the aisle on an airline flight? AlternateAccount posted:That whistle joke is classic Louis CK type material, and relatively funny. If you want to take issue with the dude going back to work, fine and good, but let's not nitpick the content of comedic performances, down that path lies madness. It is indeed his type of material, but if he had the slightest bit of self-awareness, he'd realize that the body of edgy subjects he can still work with doesn't include anything to do with sexual assault. He has obviously learned nothing.
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Krankenstyle posted:Does he even do anything aside from exist blandly on twitter? Yes occasionally he exists blandly on the Big Bang Theory.
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What the gently caress is wrong with these people? Doing this poo poo even once is a horrible, horrible thing. Doing it over and over again is just unthinkable.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Predators pretty much never do this sort of thing just once, that's part of what makes them predators. Yeah that's true, but at the same time -- and I don't mean to downplay the seriousness of sexual harassment or assault -- it is understandable, though not excusable, that a person could have one extremely serious lapse in judgement on one occasion and do something horrible. I mean, I imagine we've all done things that we wish we hadn't done and would take back if given the chance; not necessarily sexual harassment or even anything criminal, just bad poo poo that may have upset or hurt someone. It stands to reason that, for some people, that Thing They Did is on the extreme end of unacceptable behaviour, and while that's no excuse, it is at least somewhat understandable how it can happen, and I can have some degree of empathy for that even if I abhor the behaviour in question. The fact that there is no regret, no remorse, no attempt at making amends, and a pattern of repeated behaviour, is where it crosses the line into behaviour I can't even understand. It's completely alien to me how a person does that sort of thing. Obviously it's not particularly rare, it's just a corner of the human experience I lack any insight into.
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lmao Norm has consistently worse takes than Jim loving Carrey, there is no excuse for that ever.
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DrVenkman posted:I can see the broader claim in Norm's original interview, that Louis and Roseanne went through something that was specific to them, but it's such misplaced empathy. They're consequences of their own making, why should that elicit sympathy in anyone? Well, as you may have unconsciously noted, there is a difference between sympathy and empathy. I don't have sympathy for either of them, but I can empathize with how much it must suck to flush your life away by doing dumb, destructive poo poo and have only yourself to blame.
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Fart City posted:Is it possible to tactically nuke Like, Putin-style? Or do you actually want him to explode? The former: da, is possible.
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Wheat Loaf posted:They made jokes about Spacey as well, didn't they? Also Bill Cosby.
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It would be a lot easier to separate art from the artist in these cases if the artists had actually paid the consequences for the hosed up poo poo they did.
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Coffee And Pie posted:Seinfeld was literally 9 years of Jerry Seinfeld being an out of touch dick. It’s perfectly in character. * extremely Jerry Seinfeld whiny-voice * "But I don't wanna be a decent human being!"
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Krankenstyle posted:A version for the modern mindset: https://twitter.com/dril/status/1072669915516157952
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There's an annual thread in GBS where they try to make deliberately bad Christmas music. It might make it sound better in comparison. Behold, the answer to our prayers, the best new Christmas song  https://twitter.com/koolaid/status/1074696975310774272
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Jesus loving Christ. That's just... That's, uh... WHAT???  How do you literally pimp children and not go home and blow your loving brains out with a shotgun? PT6A fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Dec 22, 2018 |
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Even if Louis CK's comedy hasn't changed too much and he was always kind of an rear end in a top hat, there's a big difference now that we know he's, in fact, a complete loving jerk in real life. If you want to be funny by being an edgy prick, the audience has to be certain that you're not actually a giant prick to be able to laugh at it. Now he's just an rear end in a top hat being an rear end in a top hat on stage, and that's not particularly funny.
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King Vidiot posted:I mean, if he did go to Australia there's a non-zero chance that one of the dozens of animals that regularly poison and murder people there would get him. Maybe a funnel web spider would bite him on the dick in his hotel bathroom. Deal with your own poo poo in your own country. Just send him up to Alaska and turn him into polar bear chow.
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Snowman_McK posted:Just angry at out terrible government. They'll do the right thing about certain people seeking entry (they barred Chris Brown a few years back) but are pretty blithe about letting, say, Geert Wilders into the country. This combined with the refugee prison camp islands makes me think the problem could involve racism, but that's just a guess.
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