get that OUT of my face posted:

he wants to change the very worst parts of the wahhabist element, at the very least, right? like allowing women to drive? i can't imagine he'll reverse them entirely

Al-Saqr posted:

he's literally going to build a 500 billion dollar poo poo city in which you're not allowed to visit and reside in (even if you're a citizen) unless you own, rent, or have invested in it in one way or another.

Al-Saqr posted:

he's literally going to build a 500 billion dollar poo poo city in which you're not allowed to visit and reside in (even if you're a citizen) unless you own, rent, or have invested in it in one way or another.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

kinda. he is basically purging threats to him and that also means getting rid of some of the Wahhabist. so instead of theocratic shithole run by a royal family, it will be a autocratic shithole with technocrat overtones probably still having theocratic elements. MBS isnt that great, he kinda got KSA into the war in yemen and the siege of qutar and now wants to burn down lebanon. what people are also afraid of is he will overstep and gently caress up and the wahabbis will go bug gently caress and take absolute control, or maybe a civil war. or a open war with iran.

cargo cult posted:

apparently one princeling was shot in a "gunfight" while being arrested, one died in a helicopter crash near the Yemeni border and one fled to...,........... iran

Vlonald Prump posted:

Great, now they can use the 'Press Claim' casus belli

Al-Saqr posted:

he's literally going to build a 500 billion dollar poo poo city in which you're not allowed to visit and reside in (even if you're a citizen) unless you own, rent, or have invested in it in one way or another.

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/aliShihabi/status/929788896258469888

https://twitter.com/Zinvor/status/929798170292506625

https://twitter.com/IbnRiad/status/929798615299690497

quote:

When Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman launched Vision 2030, Saudi Arabia’s progressive reform program, last year, the international community responded with cautious encouragement. Few disputed the necessity for reform or thought it failed the test of ambition. But there were doubts about Saudi Arabia’s ability to deliver.

Some openly said Saudi Arabia would not be able to take the painful decisions and implement the difficult trade-offs needed to push through such dramatic change and transformation. The implication was that the old system and traditions would stymie any attempt to modernize our economy and society to the level we ourselves set.

While we knew differently, we understood the doubters. Saudi Arabia is a rich nation, blessed by the discovery of oil more than 80 years ago. Yet our wealth has not transferred into opportunity for all. Those seeking to do business in our country have not faced a predictable business environment, a familiar commercial legal framework, or a dynamic, entrepreneurial culture. Corrupt practices complicated matters further.

The Supreme Anti-Corruption Committee’s recent enforcement actions should encourage those who doubted Saudi Arabia’s commitment and ability to deliver the goals of Vision 2030 at the pace our economic and demographic realities demand. Yet we have also seen some misguided theories about what motivated our country to take these steps, which the overwhelming majority of Saudi citizens have embraced.

The investigations, which have been in progress for three years, have shown that more than $100 billion has been misappropriated through systematic corruption and embezzlement over several decades. That may prove to be a conservative estimate. Moreover, the decision to undertake this investigation and to act on its findings, regardless of who was found to be corrupt, was taken at the start of the investigation, not at its conclusion.

As outlined in the statement by Attorney General Saud Al Mojeb, so far 208 individuals have been arrested, with seven subsequently released without charge. All those detained have had their rights respected and will be afforded due process. They are being handled sensitively and responsibly.

Given the magnitude of the allegations, we have suspended the personal bank accounts of those charged. But we have taken steps to ensure that the companies they own continue to operate normally, and investors will remain unaffected by these actions. Normal commercial activity continues.

As we diversify our economy beyond oil, we are looking to invest in our people and invest our assets so that we can support this process of change. Opportunity must become available to all in the kingdom.

Our young people, men and women, deserve and demand to live in a nation truly built for the 21st century. This is not about Saudi Arabia catching up; this is about Saudi Arabia shifting to the forefront of development, in partnership and collaboration with the international community of nations, investors and people. For too long Saudi Arabia has been behind the curve. Now we are determined not just to catch up, but move ahead of it.


This is a watershed moment. The old ways have ceased to be sustainable long ago and must be replaced. The new way will offer a predictable long-term approach and transparent business environment for investors, who will be surprised by the burgeoning talent and potential of our young people. There is no going back.

Saudi Arabia is changing. The message is clear and the goals are defined. We are serious, and we are committed to this process, in letter and spirit. We will not avoid the difficult short-term decisions if they mean delivering the essential long-term goals of a thriving economy, a vibrant society and a responsible nation.

Mr. Qasabi is the Saudi minister of commerce and investment.

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

i thought cspams general consensus was that gulags for rich people are good

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

i thought cspams general consensus was that gulags for rich people are good

Jose posted:

get that OUT of my face posted:

yeah, if it's applied consistently and leads to socialism. but the royal family members and rich people who are on MBS's good side aren't gonna get punished at all, and vision 2030 is a neoliberalism project at its core. he's saying he's cracking down on corruption so that he'll have the power to start five different wars in the region at the same time

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

i don’t know if you can really apply any sort of designator with liberal in it to saudi arabia

Autism Sneaks posted:

"neo"

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

yes?

Jose posted:

Autism Sneaks posted:

neoliberal =!= liberal

Autism Sneaks posted:

it signifies it's a new and separate thing in the name

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

smug & dumb, powerful combo

Over Easy posted:

wait, you can just imprison billionaires and tell them to give you all their money

and society won't collapse?

Autism Sneaks posted:

your smug & dumb posting is as powerful as Saudi is liberal (which, no matter how much you insist, is not the same thing as neoliberal)

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

liberalism and neoliberalism have a lot of overlap hope this helps

google venn diagram to better understand the concept

quote:

i don’t know if you can really apply any sort of designator with liberal in it to saudi arabia 

Autism Sneaks posted:

you said


in response to someone describing Vision 2030 as a neoliberal project, which it one-hundred percent is.

I pointed out that liberalism and neoliberalism are not the same thing, and you proceeded to posit this was not only but so wrong I was "dumb & smug" for pointing out the Latin in the name, even though you hadn't articulated one thing they have to do with each other beyond the name! but the holes in your brain were showing again, so you shifted tactics to "actually, if you'll look at a *Venn diagram*, you would realize these two things I've been saying are the same are actually different but are related to one another", and you still won't describe one or the other

you're a clown lol