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Elyv posted:it seems more likely to be protestors to me but apparently the government dumped hundreds of protestors here so they could be murdering people they don't like and blaming it on others Are they blaming it on anybody else?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Are they blaming it on anybody else? according to that article, they're blaming "criminal elements" and are saying that it's unconnected to the protests in unrelated news, the article also says that there's a video where you can hear people chanting "death to the dictator" outside
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Elyv posted:according to that article, they're blaming "criminal elements" and are saying that it's unconnected to the protests Fair enough, should have read the full article.
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I know this will come as a huge surprise https://twitter.com/nakashimae/status/1582390277217525766?s=20&t=9o_YElb5eyssrKci5hEmSA
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FlamingLiberal posted:I know this will come as a huge surprise *Yes I know China is not in the Middle East but seems relevant in context.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/30/middleeast/iran-protests-clashes-sunday-intl/index.html The Revolutionary Guard head declared that Saturday had to be the last day of protests in Iran. They continued on Sunday, as did the violent repression of same. “Today is the last day of the riots. Do not come to the streets again. What do you want from this nation?” Salami said. "For it to stop beating women to death for not covering their hair" is an obvious answer.
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Can you guys tell whether the Iran protests are still going strong or petering out? I saw alot of new clips from the typical western media DW/BBC/CNN last few days but I check on Al Jazeera I don't see any big news clips after the funeral.
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the authorities have done the smart thing and mostly shut off communications, so i don't think we can really know how hot the protests are or how severe the crackdown is at the moment. *something* is still going on, but how widespread it is and where the momentum's at is basically impossible to gauge. it's very difficult for a movement like this to last for very long against an adversary willing and able to use real violence, though, and there clearly haven't been mass defection of revolutionary guard or basiji types. it doesn't bode well for the islamic republic that they're having serious protests happening this frequently, though, even if they manage to subdue this wave. something's got to give or they'll start seeing serious insurgencies pop up in their own territory
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Yeah the protests are definitely still going, and information is leaking out, but it's impossible to judge the scale or whether they're gaining momentummobby_6kl posted:Maybe the last day twitter still works! Thankfully I'm sure Ol' Musky will take care of this:
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Thank you! Is there a telegram channel or good twitter handles I can follow the anti authority movement casually? I prefer posters from inside Iran, I will just use google translate. I think the strength of the civilian pushback is a bit of a black swan/gray rhino, coming out of the pandemic. There is a economic side of the story missing from the equation. I haven't come across a good piece covering this side yet. stephenthinkpad fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Nov 4, 2022 |
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stephenthinkpad posted:Thank you! Iran's economy has been in bad shape for a while but yes it's gotten much worse over the past few years. Several of the other large scale protests were explicitly over economic matters and occurred in more rural areas. Likely softened the country up for a more ideological uprising like we're seeing now.
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ISW's been releasing a daily Iran update to go along with their Ukraine updates, that's how I've been trying to follow things. They also link to various Twitter and Telegram and other miscellaneous posts in their reference section. Scrolling through today's, https://twitter.com/1500tasvir seems like a big one.
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I don't have a ton of news, but the protests are still going. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63648629 quote:At least 348 protesters have been killed and 15,900 others arrested in a crackdown by security forces on what Iran's leaders have portrayed as foreign-backed "riots", according to the Human Rights Activists News Agency (HRANA), which is also based outside the country.
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https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1593399948753739777 I took this from the GBS thread, which seems quite a bit more active
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Not very surprising, but an update nonetheless. https://twitter.com/opcw/status/1618967573722456064?s=46&t=G9KkIqLiP5H3dH5WlE0VCg https://twitter.com/opcw/status/1618929442226585600?s=46&t=G9KkIqLiP5H3dH5WlE0VCg
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The most surprising thing in it for me was how far they go to debunk the "Douma Leaks" claims, which includes debunking the claims in the Ian Henderson report and doing a lot of chemical analysis that disproves any claims the presence of chlorine byproducts at the impact sites were from anything but chlorine gas.
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The hell is going on with your av these days Moses? Does having arab dictators wanting to kill ya make goons assume you're a CIA plant, or is it something even dumber
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Some C-SPAM poo poo.
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Tias posted:The hell is going on with your av these days Moses? Does having arab dictators wanting to kill ya make goons assume you're a CIA plant, or is it something even dumber https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1048953532144074753
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Oh well, if you say so.
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I always thought something was fishy with Ned. What's it short for? What kind of person is even named Ned who isn't some sort of narc?
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RandomPauI posted:I always thought something was fishy with Ned. What's it short for? What kind of person is even named Ned who isn't some sort of narc?     (I jest BM....)
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yes thanks D&D goons hooting and hollering about conspiracies I was already aware of, I was talking to Moses.
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RandomPauI posted:I always thought something was fishy with Ned. What's it short for? What kind of person is even named Ned who isn't some sort of narc? It's a typo, it's supposed to read "NOD".
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This thread is something https://twitter.com/lauravpri/status/1621067085387546624?s=46&t=dEEevZpA8P5V6saKyZv4MQ
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FlamingLiberal posted:This thread is something Is this legit or are you sharing it because you think it's unhinged? Those are some eye-watering sums of money.
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Ghani is also the dude who has spent the last two years denying that he did not in fact try to stuff the entire treasury into a helicopter during his escape from Kabul
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Eric Cantonese posted:Is this legit or are you sharing it because you think it's unhinged?
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I am skeptical that anyone informed was looking at the situation and thinking 'yes we need to pay him so that an army incapable of resisting the taliban won't resist the taliban'
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I am skeptical that anyone informed was looking at the situation and thinking 'yes we need to pay him so that an army incapable of resisting the taliban won't resist the taliban' The 8000 member Qatari royal family has about 335 billion dollars between em, aren't they famously lavish spenders?
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The only thing better than being paid to do something is when you're paid for something you were already going to do.
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I'm not skeptical that he would take the money for that, I'm skeptical that anyone at all capable thought that the Afghan state was going to be around for much longer than it would take to drive to Kabul. Yes there was shock that Kabul fell, but the contingency plans that were being put in place ahead of the withdrawal are pretty clear that a total collapse of the security situation was anticipated imminently. I'm specifically not saying it's impossible, just that I'm skeptical. I certainly could be wrong to be skeptical. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Feb 4, 2023 |
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"Anyone at all capable" - we're talking about hereditary royals here.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:"Anyone at all capable" - we're talking about hereditary royals here. The qatari state is quite well informed about their region, in spite of being a monarchy. nor does anyone have to be particularly well informed to put together 2+2 that the Afghan security state was weaker than toilet paper without the US propping it up.
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couple things now, when I get home later I'll look at it more 1) the document piece has been floating around for 1-2 days now, story traces back to an Italian independent journalist who offered the docs to Italian public TV who put out a piece on them. afaict that piece has not been picked up by any of the media that would normally pick up a bombshell like that, which is curious. 2) doesn't seem to even be on the radar of people who are balls deep in gulf and afghanistan stuff afaict at a quick glance
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well we know Ghani's family is "multiple mansions filled with exotic cats" rich right now and that the army was not only not paying their troops (not actually a change from how the army had been operating. benefits of joining the american occupation were in having the arms and leeway to forcibly extract your benefits from the subject population) but in the final weeks stopped feeding their soldiers which is the kind of thing you'd do if you wanted them to immediately stop fighting. Even in Afghanistan a few crates of potatoes weren't so expensive as to be worth losing whole cities and provinces over. I'd say 50/50 chances this is legit even if the source is sketchy
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I'm not skeptical that he would take the money for that, I'm skeptical that anyone at all capable thought that the Afghan state was going to be around for much longer than it would take to drive to Kabul. You'd be surprised - at least here in the states. I had a few guys with US Army War College and intel backgrounds who worked in DC think tanks vehemently claiming the surrender wasn't real at the point the Afghani government had already publicly surrendered control and Taliban dudes were very visibly in the middle of Kabul.
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Warbadger posted:You'd be surprised - at least here in the states. I had a few guys with US Army War College and intel backgrounds who worked in DC think tanks vehemently claiming the surrender wasn't real at the point the Afghani government had already publicly surrendered control and Taliban dudes were very visibly in the middle of Kabul. I'm certainly not saying that 100% of people believed that, just that the people making the relevant decisions clearly considered it a very real possibility based on the scale of (and quality of) forces mobilized to Kabul basically overnight. There were definitely a lot of emotions and no shortage of denial and frustration going around as the ANA and ANP collapsed in real time. Even though I can intellectually understand it, I can't imagine the feeling of seeing stuff you've worked and bled for for years evaporating in a matter of days. In any event, Qatar is probably as close to the Taliban as anyone in the region that isn't the ISI (hell probably closer at this point) and if anyone was likely to have a realistic sense of what the Taliban was capable of relative to the Afghan security services it very likely would be Qatar. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Feb 4, 2023 |
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