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Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
I'm trying to decide which Apple Watch to pick up, I don't think I need cellular or GPS, I rarely use Siri, I really just want it for notifications. Any reason in particular I should choose a Series 1 or Series 3 over the 2?

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Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
I'm wanting a aluminum sport watch in silver and it looks like all the major retailers are sold out, the only one I could find is the Nike+ for $300 at Best Buy and I don't like the band.

So that leaves a Series 1 or a Series 3. I see no particular need for a Series 3 but I'm feeling like if I am already going to spend that much money I might as well buy a Series 3 LTE. Any opinions? I feel like I am really leaning towards the Series 1.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

mattfl posted:

You know the bands are trivial to switch out and cost just a few dollars right?

I mean I would rather have a Apple OEM band than a cheap knock off but I guess it doesn't matter that much. Same with the Nike+ but there is no difference between the Series 2 and Nike + besides the band, some extra watch faces and a logo on the back, right?

edit: I was just about to order it and it's sold out anyways, they had them yesterday.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
I picked up a Series 3 LTE and as I am wont to do I read a shitload of reviews before I pulled the trigger...

Do people really not know what the red dot is for? There seems to be universal consensus that the red dot is to shame the people that didn't buy the expensive newest Apple Watch but it seems pretty clear to me that it was put there because so many facilities ban cellular devices but not smart watches, this is in fact the reason a lot of Apple Watches are sold in the first place. I'm almost certain it was put there and so prominently because Apple was worried about blanket bans of Apple Watches if it wasn't incredibly easy to tell a cellular one from one without cellular.

Three Olives fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Dec 29, 2017

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Endless Mike posted:

It's to look bad so you feel bad about spending excess money on a feature you will probably never use enough to justify it.

Probably but it's not that much money and I am full of dread and anxiety when I don't have access to my cell phone so I feel like it's going to be the kind of thing that seems like a total waste of money 99% of the time and then 1% of the time I will be very glad I have it.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

You don't have to activate the LTE.

If you buy it on an installment plan I think you do, otherwise it's free for 3 months so no reason not to.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

sellouts posted:

Yeah don’t buy a ~400 smartwatch on an installment plan. If you can’t afford it outright without an additional monthly service charge don’t buy it.

And don’t activate LTE for free for 3 months if you don’t plan on using it. That offer will likely always be there in some form.

Use the watch and see if you really miss the feature that costs you money per month.

I'm balancing on this, absolutely do not buy something you can't afford without an installment plan but an interest free loan is an interest free loan. I have two friends that have purchased LTE Apple watches, both on installment plans. One works at a place that allows cell phones but not ones with cameras so basically no cellphones, he bought it on an installment plan because interest free loan and he knows for a fact that he is going to use LTE everyday all the time. Another friend has no money but really wanted an Apple Watch, he is an idiot.

I was on the fence on what Apple Watch I wanted, LTE sounded nice but I was considering trying to find a new Series 2 which was basically impossible, I decided to just spring for the extra $70 and paid full price just because it sounded like a nice feature, I was already blowing Christmas bonus money and didn't want to commit to a larger bill every month.

Coincidently today turned out to be one of those days that I thought I would love an LTE watch, phone was almost dead, I was going to charge it in my car. Got in my car, it was dead so I called a Lyft with an almost dead phone, and had plans between work and home otherwise I would have been semi-panicking about, tonight NBD. Tonight that was easily worth $40 to me, I figure something similar will come up at least 2 more times in the next year.

Three Olives fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Dec 30, 2017

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

I think $10/month is highway robbery for using data I’ve already paid for. But I got the LTE version. I don’t use LTE 95% of the time since I have my phone with me, but for the 5% I don’t (outside, on a run, whatever), it makes me feel like it’s kind of worth it. It’s still a ripoff though.

It's a waste of money for sure but it's also $10 a month, I waste more money than that every few days on frivolous things that don't even buy me a little peace of mind. I have a $10 candle burning in front of me for godsake.

Three Olives fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Dec 30, 2017

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

sellouts posted:

An interest free loan that requires you to have a $10/mo or more with fees cost for 24 months on a feature that you may decide is not useful and cant be shut off is really undercutting the spirit of an interest free loan.

There isn't a penalty for just paying the watch off and turning off service. My point is you might as well take the interest free loan if you can afford to just pay off the remainder of the watch and turn off service.

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And thiis is really stupid to say in the next breath.

How? My point is most of us in the market for Apple Watches spend $10 a month on stupid poo poo all the time, I spent over $40 going out to the bar last night, $12 on some clearance christmas tea light holders at Pier 1 that went right into storage still wrapped in the bag for next year, $10 a month isn't much money to have the peace of mind of never worrying if you contact people/be contacted.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Nostalgia4Dogges posted:

cellular aspect of the 3 is seriously blowing my mind. Already a few tiny scratches you can only notice from a very particular lightning angle that are bugging me. Might get a tempered glass cover or something. I know, I'm that guy

It's like buying a new car and getting the first scratch, give it a few weeks and you won't give a gently caress.

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it's my first since the pebble steel so this is some power user stuff to me. Any good youtube videos or articles that break down the cool features and sick tricks

There are none. It's a really good watch for notifications but phone apps almost universally suck, even ones that seem like they might make sense.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Pants Donkey posted:

A ton of links for knockoff sports bands are dead now. And these are links from like two months ago.

Does Apple have some kind of claim to the band design and decided to throw its weight around, or is this just a thing where companies selling $10 watch bands have short life spans?

I think it is largely a symptom of how they are produced, I doubt there is a factory pumping out sports band knockoffs 24/7, they run a bunch of big batches, dump them on the market and move on to making something else, 3rd party sellers buy up parts of the batch with the knowledge that they aren't in stock and they can't just place another order and have it arrive the next week. Plus a lot of these resellers are probably fly-by-night outfits that buy some things in bulk that they think they can resell at a large profit and realize they got in over their head or it isn't quite as lucrative as they thought.

Apple has some obligations to enforce their trademarks, copyrights and patents but considering they have already opened up the band for licensing and their real profit is on the watches I doubt they spend too much effort trying to squash every little reseller and the manufactures are largely out of reach in China.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Cozmosis posted:

Also use the Spigen stand. Once I got it I was so annoyed I hadn’t spent the stupid 10 bucks sooner and dealt with the charger as is for over a year.

Yes buy this dirt cheap thing, if I had to replace it now I would pay three times as much without question.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

dissss posted:

Are you guys talking about the taller one or the short one?

I'm digging the short one, it reminds me of the charger from my Moto 360

The short one, I paid like $8 on Amazon for it.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

eddiewalker posted:

I was hoping for something faster than iMessage. It takes like 20 seconds of intense watch interaction to send an iMessage on my S2, even just the 💋

Honestly, we were at a hotel buffet yesterday and I thought it would be nice to have a quick shortcut to buzz my wife’s wrist so she’d look back at the table and I could motion “grab me a fork.”

Kind of dumb, but I can think of a lot of times where a “spouse button” would be handy, but 20 seconds of iMessaging would either be rude or not worth the effort.

I have this except I wait patiently for my husband to get back, get up and get my own drat fork and ask him if he needs anything else while I am up. Jesus, even my boss walks halfway across the building when he needs something like 90% of the time instead of calling me.

Are you like physically disabled?

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
OK, am I missing something? My Apple Watch is completely up to date and I can't find the pride face anywhere.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Matt Zerella posted:

It's in the watch app on your phone.

Not on mine.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Endless Mike posted:

Should be in the Face Gallery.



Should be, it's not. Contacted Apple support and they said they have a few reports and it's being escalated. Maybe I can score a free pride band out of this.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

xzzy posted:

It does have a nice look but the animation is kinda lovely. You tap the screen and it goes blank and redraws. Some kind of guitar strumming interaction would have made it kicking rad.

Does it not animate on raise?

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Small White Dragon posted:

You don't have to choose a carrier (or at least GSM/CDMA) when ordering the cellular-enabled models? :raise:

The Apple Watch doesn't support CDMA.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

SeANMcBAY posted:

Even if it doesn't it may be possible. I believe it's the law that a phone can connect to any tower that it's capable of connecting to if you dial 911, regardless of service or carrier.

I'm pretty sure Apple Watches, at least maybe prior to the Series 5, were not technically cellular phones but data enabled devices that could do VOIP through their LTE connections.

Like, you can't dial 911 with a Kindle.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
I just upgraded to the Series 5 from my Series 3, what's the best way to unload my Series 3 44 cellular to a company? It's pretty much in perfect condition, a few small scratches/dents.

I'm willing to take a hit just to not deal with selling it to another individual.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Gay Retard posted:

Sleep tracking isn't backed by any real science, sleep specialists will tell you not to trust the data from any app and to just do common suggestions like "don't look at a screen an hour before bed". It's also been known to trick people into feeling like they haven't gotten good enough sleep just because an app told them they didn't.

I've always thought it was weird that people need an app to tell them if they've gotten a good night's sleep. Maybe I'd think differently if it was linked up to a smart bed that automatically changed the temperature or firmness of the bed throughout the night based on your sleep patterns.

I don't use a sleep tracking watch app but I do own an absurdly expensive smart bed and it does work. I think my husband gets more direct use out of it because he has a tendency to stay up way too late and not think about what time he went to bed. But also you can see if you had a restless night one night and at what times and track back causes, which you can figure out.

It works, I don't know if it is worth spending thousands on a mattress to you but sleep tracking has significantly improved our sleeping.

Three Olives fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Nov 7, 2019

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

101 posted:

I'm thinking I'm gonna upgrade my alumnium 3 to a 5 soon. Really wanting that always on display.

Not sure if I should maybe go with stainless or titanium this time around.

Did the same and had the same thoughts, I almost pulled the trigger on a stainless steel but I'm glad I went with the aluminum.

With the slimmer case and larger screen to body ratio it just doesn't look like a chunk of aluminum on your wrist that I would particularly want to upgrade.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
Sleep tracking works better as part of your bed anyways, which Apple seems to know because they spent a bunch of money on Bedit and have done basically nothing with the technology.

And annoyingly SleepNumber will import Apple Health data but won't export to Apple Health even though it tracks respiration, heartbeat and sleep quality which are Apple Health data points.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
I actually find sleep metrics super practical, when I feel lovely at work the first thing I do is look at how I slept the night before and it's almost always because I slept poorly and have a cause I can identify e.g. went to bed much later than I thought I did, drank too much caffeine, ate too much too late, etc.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
So new Pride watchface with today's update. Am I wrong that this is the first full color, full screen ambient mode watch face?

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
Because I am a cheap bitch I have always gone for the knock off sports bands besides the one my watch came with but I picked up the Apple Nike Pride band because it seemed subtle and fun in this depressing time.

My first Nike sports band and drat is it cool, the rainbow colors don't even go all the way through like the norm sports bands, the top half of the hole is colored and the bottom half is gray, between the white band and the grey bottom it's just a subtle little rainbow effect that I won't be too worried about being hate crimed over.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
I am honestly confused at how people are bothered that they have to charge their Apple Watch everyday when they have to do the same with multiple other electronic devices.

Around dinner time I throw my Apple Watch and iPad on the charger, grab them both before bed and they are ready to go the next day, I'm significantly more annoyed by having to use my work IP phone.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Proteus Jones posted:

I fall in that demographic of "not a typical user". I use the health features to log data points for my cardiologist to pull up from the Health app.

It's likely as accurate as most of the *good* consumer grade SpO2 meters (not the $30 crap, the stuff that runs $80+). I'll definitely be comparing its readings to my finger device.

I figure between cellular, fall detection, medical ID, ECG and Sp02 Apple is making a low key hard play on older consumers, basically every older wealthier older person I know is hardcore locked into the Apple eco system if only because they can take their Apple product to the Apple Store and get a tech to explain whatever silly thing to them for "free".

My father is all up in iCloud, iPhone, iMac, iPads, plural, no, I don't know or care, he would almost certainly have an Apple Watch if he wasn't very attached to his Rolexes. He never buys Apple Care+, I don't know how many times I've tried to explain a simple thing with him over the phone when his device has a problem and he throws his hands up in air and says whatever, this preferences stuff is too confusing, I'm just buying a new one and have the Apple people show me.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
So I didn't realize it was a ~thing~ when I got the notification a few days ago but cellular Spotify streaming is randomly rolling out to people, including myself.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

DangerZoneDelux posted:

Yeah that's procedure.

Fun Fact: It's actually completely legal to sign a legal document on the behalf of someone else as long as you have the explicate permission to do so. It can get dicey if you are worried that the person you are signing for is going to contest that you gave them permission which is why it was rarely done pre-COVID, but it was always OK.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Krispy Wafer posted:

An Apple glucose monitor is just going to be an app reminding you to taste your pee. Is it sugary? Congratulations, you've got high glucose.

The rumors seem to say both Apple and Samsung are coming out with watch-based glucose monitors. So either the rumors are bullshit or a 3rd party company figured this out and is licensing the tech.

I'm guessing it is going to be some overall health play instead of an actual medical glucose monitors because 1. I doubt Apple wants to be in the life or death regulated medical market, and it is seriously life or death, people die all the loving time because of improperly managed blood glucose, someone I knew died just last year, blood sugar crashed in his sleep, his husband found him in a coma that he never came out of. 2. You need a doctor if your blood sugar is that f-ed up, not an Apple Watch.

I'm guessing it is going to be fairly rudimentary vague thing like telling you not to eat right before bed, or you might feel lovely because of your general eating habits, not like an actual number.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

Well I think they went the medical route on the ECG. Every single watch update it’s like “yeah ECG is enabled in 2 more countries even though this thing has been a thing for 2 loving years.”

Then on the blood oxygen sensor they were like “yeah gently caress it, this isn’t legally a medical advice” and just gave it to everyone so they didn’t have to go through all the governmental regulation agencies.

I assume the glucose sensor will be similar to the oxygen sensor.

I think the difference is, an ECG isn't actually information that is actionable to a consumer, it's basically just give this poo poo to a doctor, a consumer might be tempted to self "treat" their metabolic disorder instead of going to a doctor.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

Sleeping with a watch on is like sleeping with socks on. Gross.

When we went WFH because of COVID we were also given informal flextime as long as we were reasonable available during regular business hours should something important come up. My Apple Watch has been invaluable for this, sleep until 10? Sure, as long as I can glance at that email at 9AM, see if it is urgent, reply on my iPad that I keep next to my bed or if it more involved, pop into my home office before sleeping for a bit longer.

With my Apple Watch I am returning emails and phone calls from before 8AM until 12AM or later, my boss literally has no idea what hours I am actually working, nor does he care. This morning I woke up around 8, did some work in the home office, took a two hour nap in the afternoon, until I got an email from a co-worker saying some data I needed to complete a project was done, saw the alert on my watch that it was something I needed to work on ASAP.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

It's actually part of the iDEN spec, which Nextel used prior to their merger with Sprint and their network integration.

You will be shocked to learn that Motorola of commercial large deployment 2-way radio fame at the time developed the spec, which was in fact used by operators other than Nextel, including in the US.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:

I’m at a month with my ultra and I love it. I happen to think it’s the best looking watch they’ve put out and it doesn’t wear as big as it looks in the pics. I appreciate the larger screen (my eyes aren’t as good as they used to be) and I like my scuba band even though the closest it will come to diving is the shower.

It was already time to replace my Series 5, I had just been procrastinating deciding between SS or another aluminum watch, really leaning towards SS, until I saw an Ultra an an actual person on Friday and picked up one today.

I get why Apple is really leaning into the extreme fitness angle, but in my mind it was like an old school Forerunner sized device, Apple even heavily suggests it is by saying they are supporting you having two personal Apple watches, an Ultra for athletic stuff and a Series 8 for everyday.

It is for sure a chunky watch, but it's like a chunky watch in the everyday chunky watch sense, not in the competitive athlete sense, it's really not that much larger than my Series 5 44mm, almost all of the size is depth, which really isn't noticeable just seeing it on someone's wrist, the crown protector, but still, an embellishment, not like some massive watch element, it's not that much larger than the protruding crown on the Series 5.

If anything, side by side, the Ultra doesn't look large compared to the 44mm, it makes the 44mm look kind of, dainty.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
I'm on my third Apple Watch and showed daily in them for years without issue. I'm pretty sure a friend of mine still uses my S3 daily, it's fine.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
1. Does Apple have some non-fitness oriented version of the Apple Watch Ultra in the pipeline? Because they should, it's just a plain amazing watch, it is an incredibly comfortable size and weight for everyday use, the screen looks amazing all the time, the titanium finish is great. Apple nailed everything except me feeling like a poser wearing an Ultra Fitness Watch daily.

2. We have had a Sleep Number mattress for a few years that does sleep tracking and we actually use the sleep tracking data constantly. As someone that tends to "go to bed" an hour or two before actually going to sleep, it has really made me aware of my sleep habits and making changes around them. Also, stress really affects my sleep, REALLY affects my sleep. I get hypnic jerks basically directly into relation to my stress level, even when I don't realize how much I am internalizing my stress.

I know I am an edge case and most people don't have conversations with their spouses like "I noticed you have been twitching a lot the last couple of nights, how are you doing? Is there something really bothering you at work?" but I do, it's a very real gauge for me of, am I annoyed, or is this really affecting my mental health and I need to take a day or two off of work.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

hypnophant posted:

OP I give you permission to wear the drat watch if you like it. If you need to give yourself an excuse, wear it for three days straight without charging it when you first get it and feel good about your decision.

I've seen enough fat rich old people wearing Submariners to know it doesn't matter, I guess I am just pointing out that the marketing is kind of weird that they are focusing only on the fitness aspects of the watch, when Apple just made a no compromises watch for the first time, I had it in my mind that it was like a massive Forerunner.

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Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?

Original_Z posted:

The book "After Steve" goes into great detail about the building of the watch. They originally wanted to make it fitness-focused, but Ive was obsessed with the idea of making it a fashion item and most of their marketing and design went into that. The sales of the first batch of watches were not up to expectations and although fashion magazines and the scene was interested in it at first, but fashion is a fickle beast and eventually the 'fad' was over. Tim Cook held an emergency meeting to figure out how to save the watch and they decided to go all-in on the fitness aspect, to great results. I don't think they're interested in going back to luxury fashion-focused watches.

The Apple Watch is 100% a luxury fashion item. It's not the exclusive one that might have thought it could end up being but their Apple's watch band line is absolutely a legit fashion business, a very forward looking one at that. I promise you that Apple takes it's watch band releases just as seriously as LVMH does their spring lines.

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