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Lid posted:Jordon is like Big Cass is like Roman Reigns, WWE thinks in a tag team the break out single star is the big explosive hot tag so when they split them they mostly want to push that big move guy not realising they were carried by their partners (Gable, Enzo, Rollins). You mean like the bookers at the time thought?
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Peak HHH probably had better matches but Hulk destroys him as a promo, as a drawing star, and in charisma. No contest HHH's peak year in 2000 might be bigger than Hogan's peak in terms of money drawn, maybe. But obviously his peak was much shorter and a different era.
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Nov 14, 2017 16:42
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DoctorGonzo posted:Over eighties Hogan and nWo Hogan? 2000 was an absolutely incredible year and the house show numbers were extraordinary. nWo Hogan did huge numbers on PPV but didn't do a lot of house shows, and WCW was really only outdrawing WWF in house shows for a short time. 2000 blew those years away on PPV. PPV obviously didn't really exist at Hogan's peak and at the end of his peak it wasn't the driving metric, but even in house shows 2000 outdrew it. But it was just over a year and Hogan was obviously a bigger star. Big Coffin Hunter posted:it wasn't triple h drawing the money, if you smell what I'm cooking He drew just as big with non Rock opponents, sorry.
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Nov 14, 2017 17:00
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:Triple H was never the draw. He was the guy who fueded with the draw. Nobody was showing up to see him beat The Rock or Steve Austin Crazy that literally everyone from late 99 until early 2001 was a draw other than HHH, Batista was the draw at WM and their Cell match and the entire 2002 Rumble which was built around HHH was actually not drawn by him. Also it's hilarious if you think the role of the heel is to make people want THE HEEL to win. Duh they are supposed to want to see him lose. (Batista owns and he contributed to their feud but he wasn't the only reason they did a million buys.) MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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Nov 14, 2017 17:18
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Jinder is such a big draw in India that WWE had cut the "tour" down from 2 shows to 1.
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Nov 14, 2017 17:58
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VJeff posted:Maybe this is just 'cause I haven't been watching week-to-week for more than about 18 months at this point so I totally missed poo poo like the Reign of Terror and the Authority but I feel like you guys are super overreacting on HHH. He's won, like, twice, in the last four years. He and Stephanie (more Stephanie) are so often hegemonic figures on TV who get their comeuppance once a year at most. Is he going to lose to Jason Jordan or is he going to face Angle at WM? I think it's more likely Jason Jordan ends up as HHH's lackey than HHH has a PPV singles match with him.
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Nov 14, 2017 18:58
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VJeff posted:HHH got Sockoed by Mick Foley for about six seconds. That was neat. The obvious play is to rip off Sandman/Raven and have JJ tell Kurt that HHH is his daddy now.
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Nov 14, 2017 19:11
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SamuraiFoochs posted:To me Steph is so much goddamn worse. This is damning with faint praise but HHH at least adds something and USUALLY puts people over now. Steph is just toxic. Just wait until she runs for office and turns face to set it up.
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Nov 14, 2017 19:26
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Dacap posted:I think it had to at least be partially be a thank you to AJ for stepping up to replace Bray last minute. Excited for HHH's upcoming title reign.
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Nov 14, 2017 20:29
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Chris James 2 posted:Funny how this phase still had a world title reign, a Rumble win, and Sting losing to him A clean Rumble win at that.
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Nov 14, 2017 20:50
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HHH had to work things so he got a WrestleMania win over Brock Lesnar.
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Nov 14, 2017 23:16
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Blaise330 posted:HHH's last title reign was longer than Bray Wyatt's, and it was years after he retired. HHH hasn't retired!
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Nov 14, 2017 23:25
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Jackie D posted:This has nothing to do with HHH chat (he's bad) but I'm watching No Way Out 2004 and I can't get over Eddie having Jinder levels of bacne I mean he did die from taking all of the steroids on Earth.
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Nov 14, 2017 23:49
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Gavok posted:I haven't hated the Jason Jordan angle, but it really hinges on what follows after this week. If he's not dead yet a feud with Bray Wyatt will end him for sure.
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Nov 14, 2017 23:57
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A Fancy Hat posted:Ellsworth is among the best jobbers of all time and deserves all the praise in the world. He managed to turn "Looking weird" into a WWE main roster contract which included WWE title matches, an appearance at WrestleMania, and wins over AJ Styles. He's by all accounts extremely nice and humble and I hope he becomes King of the Indies after this and joins the Bullet Club. A guy who was in WWE for a year and had a winning record is among the best jobbers of all time.
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Nov 15, 2017 21:29
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Eli Wiggum posted:It's also an indictment of what kind of company WWE has become Well now they are a company that the Young Bucks don't want to work for where before they were a company that wouldn't hire guys like the Young Bucks!
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Nov 16, 2017 05:42
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Aphrodite posted:It's in the definition of Business. Usually you want to steal people away to add value to your own business not to purposefully lose money. This does happen, but setting up your own money losing division to keep talent away from other companies instead of trying to make money with them is a bit less common.
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Nov 16, 2017 15:58
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Codependent Poster posted:So we all know Raw is gonna "win" by having the most victories. Best way to figure that out is to just go through the card. Why do we know that? They usually try to have Smackdown either win the major match or more matches to give the illusion of brand parity.
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Nov 16, 2017 16:00
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exploded mummy posted:I know of an energy company where the owners that gave their daughter a pet company so they would keep her out of operations and it almost never made any money. I don't. I do know one where a rich family lost a shitload of money so their daughter could play wrestling promoter and be famous and never had to worry about her in their own business
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Nov 16, 2017 16:34
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exploded mummy posted:Hey now you know exactly who I'm talking about. But seriously the Carters never had to worry about her in their business, she had her PR firm and could have just done that ineptly for years to come. Buying TNA only made it more likely she'd end up at Panda as it had a high risk of failure (100%.) They bought TNA because they thought it was a good idea. They are stupid.
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Nov 16, 2017 16:44
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Wazzu posted:I don't think the Young Bucks would work in WWE, to be fair. I agree pushing AJ's white nationalism harder will make him the guy.
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Nov 16, 2017 17:26
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DarkstarIV posted:That's more on TNA than WWE. WWE could easily pay for the rights, or go with the belief TNA doesn't own the rights or let the Hardys just run with a similar but renamed gimmick but they didn't. They just kept teasing it and running on nostalgia until the Hardys were significantly less over than they were. And now where is Matt?
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Nov 16, 2017 18:20
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reignofevil posted:Cage matches make sense but not having to escape over the top never did. Escaping from the cage is the part that doesn't make sense.
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Nov 16, 2017 21:41
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Feels Villeneuve posted:wasn't the point of the cage escape for the babyface to calmly stroll out of the cage like a badass after beating the heel to a pulp That's why they did the door, Bruno would crush the heel and then walk out. If you are going to do escape rules and actually make a win look decisive that's the way to go, climbing out over the top is just a weird race.
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Nov 16, 2017 21:47
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Dimebags Brain posted:Shaking my head at all the people hating on cage escapes when they’ve never seen a DoA Cage Match. I am a big fan of the movie but I don't remember any cage match is that video game only or was it in an early scene with Nash?
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Nov 16, 2017 22:43
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Gold Sexy Body posted:I'm hype, mainly for War Games because the build has been so darn great. CMLL.
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Nov 17, 2017 04:13
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:That sounds pretty lovely tbh Because they have a lovely workrate. Or maybe they were abusive.
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Nov 17, 2017 19:27
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Amy Renee posted:If I could only see the looks on the faces of the writing staff, and Shane, and Steph, and Hunter, the very second he pitched that idea Shane is on screen talent only, Stephanie isn't on creative and HHH probably loved it.
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Nov 17, 2017 21:02
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Aphrodite posted:They announced Nattie is in the women’s elimination match. Originally it was a secret to be announced tomorrow, so either Paige got in trouble again or Vince did his usual thing. Dave's been reporting it'd be announced as Nattie since the title change.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:53
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Gatts posted:WHen Brock faces and loses to Roman Reigns I hope he starts the match by laughing and then going into Shawn vs Hogan levels of selling and bouncing in and out of the ring. He didn't burst into laughter and overselling when told to sell for tiny AJ Styles because he respects his homophobia and racism.
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Nov 20, 2017 20:52
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Do it ironically posted:when shane came i thought well it's a bit refreshing haven't seen him in a long time and he had a of people cheering him. He's very over and still Vince's son so he gets big matches. He doesn't need power to get it.
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Nov 20, 2017 21:03
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Do it ironically posted:yeah i guess, i always got the sense that there was animosity and some sort of power struggle between steph/triple h and shane Stephanie won, so there really wouldn't be any there. She also won pretty easily, it's not like there was a struggle. Shane didn't realize he'd lost until long after he'd lost. Even if there was, Stephanie isn't involved in creative.
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Jerusalem posted:Goldberg beating Hogan at the Dome was the best, but wasn't this also where Vince McMahon did a sell-out of Raw during the Attitude Era? The one where he opened the show with this half amazed/half shiteating grin on his face because he'd just sold out the dome in WCW territory? I don't believe they sold out but they did do at least one extremely successful Dome show when WCW was reduced to the Phillips Arena.
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