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indigi posted:The main problem isn't going to be parents forcing their kids to play or Republicans arguing against strict regulation of public educational institutions; it's going to be from the liability incurred by high schools and colleges. a few high profile multi-million dollar class actions against LSU or some Texas public high school and these places are going to stop their football programs. you can't force a minor to waive their right to a safe educational environment in the same way you theoretically could with NFL players (although I don't even know how that would hold up in higher courts) Yep. Eventually some rich as gently caress white people are going to sue literally everyone and everything involved when their kid is diagnosed with CTE and suddenly every school district will drop this hot potato. We're going to look really silly with these big rear end loving high school stadiums for a sport no one even plays.
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Nov 17, 2017 00:17
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Kalli posted:Hopefully soon a procedure comes from this that can quickly and reasonably affordably determine if a player has CTE. I'm not sure it being required at the combine would be the problem. It's when it becomes accessible for families with younger football players it becomes danger critical. Asproigerosis posted:I've never understood the whole can't test for CTE on the living nonsense considering amyloid plaque PET scans have been a thing for a long time now, and commercially available almost a decade ago. While they are almost universally marketed toward alzheimers/dementia so they can milk the medicare cow, I've been surprised the CTE craze has never brought a researcher in to look at this. Also I'm really mad I can't get a job doing these neato PET scans. The problem is getting a marker to work with the protein they're looking for. That's been sort of the delay. The positive thing is this will also help with things like Alzimer's which is believed to be the same protein (if it's not that, it'll still help with other forms of dementia). Hockey is the other major NA sport threatened by this, but it's entirely possible to have no-check leagues until the kids are older. In those leagues, it's no worse than basketball (if you ask me) for collisions (a lot of jostling around for the puck, but no slamming into each other). It's very hard for me to see football surviving a change to flag or tag. e: Hockey already removed touch icing at all levels because of the danger of the collisions involved if there was a race for the puck. Violent checks do still happen, but the amount of them happening around the boards involving is greatly reduced with that. I know the NCAA will eject you and assess a 5 minute major if you make a deliberate blow to the opponent's head. e2: Though the NHL is almost just as bad as the NFL when it comes to pulling players who may have a potential concussion. At least MLB acknowledged it and said "you have to sit 7 days if you get one" by creating a special DL just for it. iospace fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Nov 17, 2017 00:30
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lol if you think this will change anyone's minds. Brain damage is long term poo poo and no one cares about that. Parents are more concerned about broken bones. And that hasn't stopped them
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Nov 17, 2017 00:55
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XxGirlKisserxX posted:lol if you think this will change anyone's minds. Brain damage is long term poo poo and no one cares about that. Parents are more concerned about broken bones. And that hasn't stopped them Youth football enrollment was down across the nation this year. Even my football as gently caress city ran stories about the local youth leagues having decreased enrollment. This problem isn't going away and there is no fix that leaves football as we know it. That being said, I know a guy with a little boy who's already got a history of seizures but seriously cant wait for the day his gets to see his son play for his high school team. Its disgusting.
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Nov 17, 2017 02:57
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Youth football enrollment was down across the nation this year. Even my football as gently caress city ran stories about the local youth leagues having decreased enrollment. This problem isn't going away and there is no fix that leaves football as we know it. There's three types of parents in general when it comes to this: 1. They think their kid is going to be the next big thing, and they're going to be rich. 2. Meh, gets the kids out of my hair. Football has always been dangerous. But... 3. HOW DARE LITTLE TIMMY GET HURT  #1 will not budge on this. They think that football is their ticket to riches via their kid (or living vicariously). #3 is the type that will likely sue once their kid gets a concussion. #2 may fall on either side.
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Nov 17, 2017 03:21
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The challenge will be if other sports become more appealing than football. Basketball is definitely on the upswing in terms of popularity, so maybe more kids will go play that instead of football. I'm just hoping baseball becomes more popular again.
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Nov 17, 2017 03:41
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I met a former NFL player a few weeks ago and he's basically horrified about the fact that his brain is shrinking and he goes to the hospital to get scans on it. He lost a close friend to brain related issues too. poo poo is scary for former players.
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Nov 17, 2017 03:41
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The more and more research comes out the more I am happy that I sucked at football and made it my goal during practice to not actually do anything.
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Nov 17, 2017 04:12
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Android Apocalypse posted:I'm just hoping baseball becomes more popular again. Please god no. Invent a new sport or something before bringing baseball back. e: I'll compromise, implement a salary cap, cut the season games in half at the least, and limit games to 2 hours at most. Then maybe baseball will be interesting. Barreft fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Nov 17, 2017 04:14
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Barreft posted:Please god no. Invent a new sport or something before bringing baseball back. Baseball. Boxing. High trousers. Welcome to 1920.
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Nov 17, 2017 04:32
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Android Apocalypse posted:I'm just hoping baseball becomes more popular again. making sure the games don't need 6 hours to complete would be a good start
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Nov 17, 2017 04:58
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DJExile posted:making sure the games don't need 6 hours to complete would be a good start Just make this required: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQTvYXIB054
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Nov 17, 2017 05:05
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iospace posted:it's entirely possible to have no-check leagues until the kids are older. In those leagues, it's no worse than basketball (if you ask me) for collisions (a lot of jostling around for the puck, but no slamming into each other). It's very hard for me to see football surviving a change to flag or tag. Because of the changes to rules regarding spearing, h2h and other extremely high risk activities, I think a slow shift toward flag/touch for anything say, pre-highschool, is not likely to kill the sport and would be accepted. If this research pans out, combined with correlations to things like force sensors in helmets might lead to a link between Gs experienced and low-grade concussion risk. You could probably develop a system that is a degree of magnitude more safe WRT CTE than what we have today which barely scrapes the surface since lots of small non-penalty hits are just as bad. Add to that rule changes that disqualify a player for health reasons once N Gs are experienced in a game and now you have player incentive to not to use tackling or blocking styles that would remove them from the game. Qwijib0 fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Nov 17, 2017 05:58
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Android Apocalypse posted:I'm just hoping baseball becomes more popular again. Sweet jesus why?
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Nov 17, 2017 06:02
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Qwijib0 posted:Because of the changes to rules regarding spearing, h2h and other extremely high risk activities, I think a slow shift toward flag/touch for anything say, pre-highschool, is not likely to kill the sport and would be accepted. If this research pans out, combined with correlations to things like force sensors in helmets might lead to a link between Gs experienced and low-grade concussion risk. You could probably develop a system that is a degree of magnitude more safe WRT CTE than what we have today which barely scrapes the surface since lots of small non-penalty hits are just as bad. I think flag would work better, because with that you're actually relying on clear visual evidence of someone being down (also I'm biased). Why spearing became non-enforced now I have no drat clue, but also proper rugby-style tackles would help a lot.
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Nov 17, 2017 06:07
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I'm getting the sense that they can put in whatever feelgood precautions they want to, but the football basics of 300+ lb hyper-athletic linemen crashing into each every down will simply never, ever be safe for the brains they got rattling inside their skulls. It's like a small car accident every down. Sometimes almost seems like the concussion protocol is there to distract from that fact. And I don't think you got football without the line. Big dudes protecting a ball-carrier is the spirit of the whole game.
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Nov 17, 2017 07:26
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Elephanthead posted:Yes, children of the poor will consider the chance of brain injury and decide living in abject poverty while being hunted by the police is really not that bad. I mean, basketball exists. It is in fact cheaper to run basketball than football.
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Nov 17, 2017 09:57
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Its Rinaldo posted:I mean, basketball exists. It is in fact cheaper to run basketball than football. That's true, but your 6'2" 300 pound son who's actually athletic somehow despite his girth has no future in basketball and he could be something in football. (He won't be anything in anything in all likelihood of course, but one sport has a spot for that guy)
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Nov 17, 2017 10:04
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Youth football enrollment was down across the nation this year. Even my football as gently caress city ran stories about the local youth leagues having decreased enrollment. This problem isn't going away and there is no fix that leaves football as we know it. Youth sports participation is down in almost every sport across the nation. Football, baseball, basketball, soccer, etc. And as a parent with 2 kids playing sports I will say that it is mostly the fault of the parents. But that isn't a conversation for this thread.
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Nov 17, 2017 13:32
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Something stupid that's been rattling around my head, what if you allowed holding by the offensive line? Or modified it so it's only holding in they pin their opponent to the ground? Obviously it would drastically change how the game is played, but if the line can grab instead of bash, maybe there'd be less bashing? Greater protection for QBs as well. Only the o-line though, a TE or RB holding on a block would still be called.
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Nov 17, 2017 13:51
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Finger Prince posted:Something stupid that's been rattling around my head, what if you allowed holding by the offensive line? Or modified it so it's only holding in they pin their opponent to the ground? Obviously it would drastically change how the game is played, but if the line can grab instead of bash, maybe there'd be less bashing? Greater protection for QBs as well. Only the o-line though, a TE or RB holding on a block would still be called. Most head trauma stuff happens in the secondary. Not at the line. You very rarely get enough speed a the line to make a big impact unless you have a LB or safety doing a run up on a blitz or something.
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Nov 17, 2017 13:53
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CyberPingu posted:Most head trauma stuff happens in the secondary. Not at the line. You very rarely get enough speed a the line to make a big impact unless you have a LB or safety doing a run up on a blitz or something. True, however it is thought that subconcussive blows to the head are the main driving force behind CTE.
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Nov 17, 2017 14:11
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The amount of contact in practices has really gone down in the last few years. I think the high schools in my area are limited to 40 minutes of contact a week in practice. So basically 2 20 minutes sessions. Earlier in the year they do allow some more contact, I think 80 or 90 minutes for the first week of full pads and 60 for the second week then 40 for the rest of the year. Our youth program has gone to kind of the same thing, but we only have 2 practices a week after school starts, one is just helmets and one has a "scrimmage" with one of the other teams at the practice fields where both teams run 15 plays. The rest of the time is drills on air or dummies.
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Nov 17, 2017 14:51
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lol if you haven't started mentally preparing to make basketball your #1 sport
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Nov 17, 2017 14:54
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Just take away the helmets
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Nov 17, 2017 15:11
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It's time that America embraced cricket for the great sport that it is (20/20s, none of this 5 day test crap). America would immediately dominate the rest of the world in cricket, because everyone plays it wrong.
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Nov 17, 2017 15:21
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Football still has another good (probably bad) 30-40 years minimum as a major cultural force in the US.
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Nov 17, 2017 15:25
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You can legislate tackling and so forth, but that does nothing for linemen. They are continually getting their brains rattled around and that poo poo adds up. They also play through concussions more than position players because they aren't getting lit up in one big flashy hit that screams trouble, and a concussed lineman staying in the game isn't going to be as obvious as a concussed QB or receiver. This is bad stuff and people are starting to figure it out. https://www.inverse.com/article/37934-nfl-funded-study-brain-injury https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/sports/football/nfl-cte.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2017/07/25/cte-study-sends-shock-waves-through-world-of-football-part-1 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...w-studies-show/ beejay fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Nov 17, 2017 19:37
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Ehud posted:lol if you haven't started mentally preparing to make basketball your #1 sport 
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Nov 17, 2017 19:48
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Sorry if the idea of constant action is disgusting to you. Maybe baseball is more your speed. Has roughly the same pace of play.
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Nov 17, 2017 19:54
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Don't want a game where you only need to watch the last 12 minutes.
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Nov 17, 2017 19:56
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Ehud posted:lol if you haven't started mentally preparing to make basketball your #1 sport Wnba season is too short  Baeeball's great for killing a whole afternoon if you have nothing better to do It's better played than watched tho
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Nov 17, 2017 19:57
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MrLogan posted:It's time that America embraced cricket for the great sport that it is (20/20s, none of this 5 day test crap). I know nothing about cricket but I like Americs dominating the world. Please tell me more.
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Nov 17, 2017 19:57
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3 DONG HORSE posted:I know nothing about cricket but I like Americs dominating the world. Please tell me more. I picked up the basics while in Jamaica on my honeymoon. I think the commonwealth tests were going on and I'd drunkenly watch cricket every night after my wife passed out. Also, it's been stated in this thread, but a few lawsuits will have a v chilling effect on sub-nfl football, for cost of insurances and too high of a liability risk reasons. Football could collapse or change drastically v quickly depending on if/when these happen and the outcomes.
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Nov 17, 2017 20:17
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Baseball has fixed half of their problem by juicing the crap of their baseballs in the past season. They're close to implementing a pitch clock to try to speed games up too. If we can get back to the mid 90s form of baseball with lots of dingers and games that don't drag out, it'd become an excellent sport again.
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Nov 17, 2017 20:23
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Still time to get on this soccer bandwagon.
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Nov 17, 2017 20:38
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FizFashizzle posted:Still time to get on this soccer bandwagon. Soccer to me feels like baseball. It's fun if you're invested in a team, and if you're not, it can be boring to watch on TV.
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Nov 17, 2017 20:39
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CyberPingu posted:Most head trauma stuff happens in the secondary. Not at the line. You very rarely get enough speed a the line to make a big impact unless you have a LB or safety doing a run up on a blitz or something. I don't know if research changed but when I read league of denial, but it said repeated medium size hits (the line) are way worse than rare big hits. It makes the whole thing worse because lineman rarely carry star power / $$ to make it as well known.
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ultrachrist posted:I don't know if research changed but when I read league of denial, but it said repeated medium size hits (the line) are way worse than rare big hits. It makes the whole thing worse because lineman rarely carry star power / $$ to make it as well known. Yes, but tight ends do.
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