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Nevermind that in the first episode they didn’t know why the bodies and lake were there but then it turned out everyone saw it happen. The writing must have been such a mess for the season with multiple rewrites and they attempted to salvage it with editing.
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:Nevermind that in the first episode they didn’t know why the bodies and lake were there but then it turned out everyone saw it happen. No, that's what happened in the first season. 
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Dec 18, 2018 04:48
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:No, that's what happened in the first season. Did it? Well, it worked well in the first season.
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Don't forget that the security guy with the surprisingly unisex name was decided to be a robot THE NIGHT BEFORE SHOOTING.
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Cojawfee posted:Don't forget that the security guy with the surprisingly unisex name... Not an Evil Dead fan, I take it? Cojawfee posted:...was decided to be a robot THE NIGHT BEFORE SHOOTING. Wow, wtf. That's just... wow. How did this team make Person Of Interest?
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I'd like to think the jury is still out on that because having TWO secret roboguys on your dev team seems excessive and a good way to start dumb purges of suspected non-humans. Biggest rear end-pull might have been CodeGirl alive and in a cave. It makes no sense to keep her around.
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Dec 18, 2018 08:02
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I think someone connected to the show confirmed that he is a robot.
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I think it was a last minute "oh poo poo, we didn't explain why Stubbs was ambushed by the Ghost Nation at the end of S1, or what happened after that." .... "uh.. make him a host I guess." They also never explained why they wanted Sizemore. There was absolutely no reason for it at all.
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Dec 18, 2018 08:39
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It wouldn't be a mystery box if it made sense.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Wow, wtf. That's just... wow. How did this team make Person Of Interest? From earlier in the thread: echoplex posted:This has become the norm on big, creative shows. It's hell. I came off a fairly internationally huge show last month, and there was no shooting script until day 3 of the shoot. echoplex posted:You work from drafts and hope that it gets sorted out in the end.
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That's fine if you are writing a book, but can you imagine starting to film it from the first draft? Then having to refilm the changes in the final copy. Didn't they take 12 months to write season 2?
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Collateral posted:That's fine if you are writing a book, but can you imagine starting to film it from the first draft? Then having to refilm the changes in the final copy. Didn't they take 12 months to write season 2? They did take extra time to produce season 2, yeah, but they were still doing rewrites during the final stages of production-- which is fine and normal, but maybe don't do the kind of big rewrite where, say ... you take a character who wasn't a host then decide the night before shooting his big finale scene to make him actually have been a host the whole time.
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Dec 18, 2018 21:22
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I must have missed something while watching that episode, since I never realized he was a host. Thought it was odd letting secret-dolores through, but I also figured he had reached his give-a-gently caress limit.
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Collateral posted:That's fine if you are writing a book, but can you imagine starting to film it from the first draft? Then having to refilm the changes in the final copy. Didn't they take 12 months to write season 2? The fact they had two years of prep time for a single season makes the script bullshit in season 2 super, duper unacceptable.
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What was Dolores’ plan with the Confederates again? She needed an army but then she got them all slaughtered and went solo. This show is like if every single character was a Metal Gear villain.
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:What was Dolores’ plan with the Confederates again? She needed an army but then she got them all slaughtered and went solo. She had to weed out all the hosts that didn’t deserve to make it to the place she intended to destroy
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Dec 19, 2018 04:22
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The only good episode of the season is Delos dad
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also someone remind me what happened with the macguffin of the jillion terabytes of data in Dolores’ dad’s head? It was....the matrix world where they kept simulating Delos?
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:also someone remind me what happened with the macguffin of the jillion terabytes of data in Dolores’ dad’s head? It was....the matrix world where they kept simulating Delos? Then we find out they're not interested in mass replicating dignitaries and world leaders, they just want to perfect Human to Host technology and make you live forever.
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Nothing in Season 2 made sense and I don't care about much of anything anymore. I'd be satisfied if every poster who uses  as a flag for a show not paying anything off replaced it with Westworld, because Lost actually paid just about everything off.
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In season one, I think Dolores' dad was supposed to actually carrying all the data they wanted to sneak out of the park. Then in season 2, it magically became just a key that unlocked the data stored in the secret facility. Why the gently caress a key took up so much space that they had to make the dude mentally stunted, I have no idea. Season 2 really pissed me off with how convoluted and stupid they made it just so they could trick the nerds. The old man Delos episode really was the only good one. To further the Lost references, it reminded me of the episode where they just show what's his face living inside that hatch every day.
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LividLiquid posted:Nothing in Season 2 made sense and I don't care about much of anything anymore. Eh, season 1 is still good, unlike which was just endless spaghetti from week-to-week.  I need to binge S2 so I can really get a feel for how bad it was...  
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Blazing Ownager posted:The fact they had two years of prep time for a single season makes the script bullshit in season 2 super, duper unacceptable. *Westworld writer turns over in bed* Eh, I'll do it tomorrow.
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LividLiquid posted:Nothing in Season 2 made sense and I don't care about much of anything anymore The more you think about Season 2 the more broken it is, and it was already pretty broken on a first watch. They had so, so, so many ways they could have gone and this was easily the worst one for every single plot arc and character decision.* * Except the two really good stand alone episodes with the Ghost Nation guy and Delos. They were the only eps that felt like the original season at all to me.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Eh, season 1 is still good, unlike I think the show's stupidity singularity was 'Welcome to Westworld' with the horny merc. That scene was from top to bottom so brain meltingly stupid it almost gave me a seizure.
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LividLiquid posted:Nothing in Season 2 made sense and I don't care about much of anything anymore. Agreed, Lost is far better than people give it credit for and at no point was it ever as bad and stupid as Westworld S2.
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it took until the fifth season for game of thrones to fall off a cliff. impressed how quickly westworld managed it.
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Groovelord Neato posted:it took until the fifth season for game of thrones to fall off a cliff. impressed how quickly westworld managed it. I thought Game of Thrones is watchably ridiculous and has been all along; what happened in season 5 that tipped it for you?
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nah it was varying degrees of good for four seasons. five was very bad (pretty much nothing happened when they could've included one of the more interesting plots from the book, actions no longer had any realistic consequences, the sand snakes were embarrassing, characters have more ridiculous plot armor than ever). six was slightly better though still awful compared to 1-4. and seven was outright terrible again.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I thought Game of Thrones is watchably ridiculous and has been all along; what happened in season 5 that tipped it for you? Probably the bad pussy.
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mastajake posted:the bad pussy.
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So class, is Westworld season 1 a Mystery Box? I say no, because you aren't aware that there is a big reveal being kept from you. There are, indeed, many mysteries. You know the hosts will revolt, but when, and how? You know Ford has a plan and an ulterior motive, but you probably didn't guess the whole extent of it and it is not presented as information everyone is after. The identity of the Man in Black is also one of the mysteries of season 1, but at no point is it suggested that learning his identity will make everything make sense. Meanwhile season 2 just dangled the carrot of "the valley beyond" (or the several other names and purposes they gave it) to the viewer, as well as the bodies in the flood, just for the sake of it. I believe that is the key difference, telling the audience the information they need to know and withholding it from them just for the sake of it, compared to dishing it out in a compelling way.
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Westworld season 1 feels very self-contained and delivers on its teased secrets, I feel. The major handicap of Mystery Box shows tends to be writing a mystery where the writer has gone "insert answer here... later I guess." Usually, in a future or never-released season due to cancellation. Season 2 has the bizarre distinction of resolving the mystery box in one season and still being really disappointing and stupid. Presumably because, despite the two year gap, it seems like they were writing the episodes while they were filming them.
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S1 was self contained and the twists were extremely clever, you're not watching for the mystery, you're watching for the story and the reveal is really good S2 is like they had a brainstorming exercise about cool twists they could do then just said "gently caress it, lets do all of them" with no regard for contradictions or loose ends. Even the core arc of the series, the motivation for the PMCs investigating the lake, is revealed to be nonsense since the lake was literally created before their own eyes using a failsafe system that they knew about, and the host corpses were floating in it because they killed them minutes earlier.
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Writers just need to accept that viewers are at least as intelligent as them and that you won't be able to fool everyone. Like, do they think people keep watching Citizen Kane because of the mystery of "Rosebud..."?
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Writers just need to accept that viewers are at least as intelligent as them and that you won't be able to fool everyone. Rosebud was a robot.
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:So class, is Westworld season 1 a Mystery Box? I don’t remember thinking that the MiB’s identity was a mystery while I was watching S1, I figured he just was who he said he was—which it turned out was true, it was just a “true, and” situation.
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LividLiquid posted:Nothing in Season 2 made sense and I don't care about much of anything anymore. It doesn't matter how many different threads you randomly bring up and defend in, it's still garbage with a ton of dropped plot threads.
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counterfeitsaint posted:It doesn't matter how many different threads you randomly bring up and defend
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I thought Game of Thrones is watchably ridiculous and has been all along; what happened in season 5 that tipped it for you? Season 6 had a dude run like 200mph to get a letter that was sent at like Mach 1 to a castle across the world who then flew a Dragon at Mach 2 to rescue them while characters with the shiniest plot armor laugh in the face of being dunked in a frozen lake in the middle of a frozen wasteland. Tyrion has also been a worthless idiot for two seasons so that sucks Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Dec 22, 2018 |
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