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What I find the most unbelievable thing in this universe is that they created perfect robots with human-like AI and the only use they got for them is to use them as NPCs in a live action RPG
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Ok, makes sense, but still: its a whole lot of money that was required to build those parks and perfect the robot tech, and unless Ford and Arnold were billionaries to begin with (I dont remember if they were), it would require people heavily investing on them from the beginning who would probably immediately realize this tech (even the old one, from when Willian was still young) could generate a lot more money if applied to basically anything else. It would change the world to something like what we see on the Humans show
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Apr 24, 2018 18:03
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A videogame NPC cant feel pain or terror. I can be programmed to display a simulation of those feelings, thats all. It does not feels, period I think the real questions are: do the hosts actually feel anything, instead of just displaying simulations of feelings, and how can we know it and what that even means?
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Apr 24, 2018 18:44
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Serf posted:questions like this rule because they remind you that no amount of shitposting will prevent the exact kind of thinking that will make the robot revolution so fuckin righteous I do feel, and I would guess you do to because you are built like me, we are animals Hosts are machines. How can you make a machine feel and what would that even mean? They can be programmed to act in a certain way if they are supposed to be scared, to scream if they are hurt, to look happy if they are pleased etc etc. But how could they feel? Not saying its impossible per se, but that's the important question, to me
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Apr 24, 2018 18:50
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Basebf555 posted:The stuff you feel is only occurring to you because of electrical signals firing off in your brain, neurons. At what point an artificially built machine would attain the same level of complexity that our brains have is a mystery, but it doesn't mean it's impossible for a man made thing to feel emotions. But even with something as simple as physical pain: we could program a robot to receive a signal if his body is hurt, for sure. Thats simple. But pain aint just a signal: its something that *feels* bad (and that's the reason is evil to make people feel pain). You can program the signal, but how you can program a signal that feels good or feels bad?
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Apr 24, 2018 19:06
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Serf posted:how are you this close and yet so far Enlighten me then. How you would go around programming a machine that could feel something like what we know pain feels like? Not only getting a signal that tells its program that its being damaged, not only to understand that this is bad for it, but to feel that overwhelming inescapable horrible sensation that can make a human prefer to die than to keep feeling it?
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Apr 24, 2018 19:11
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Serf posted:ignoring that weird end bit there (plenty of people live with pain and don't like kill themselves because their slipped disc hurts them), pain is nothing more than the body reacting to damage. that's it. if a machine can be designed to respond to damage to its physical form with an attempt to prevent the damage from continuing, then you have by definition made it feel pain Stuff like torture, do you ever heard about that? It can make people beg to be killed. Is not just a signal: my phone gives me plenty of signals, that can mean things good or bad to me. But they dont come with a physical sensation that is unpleasant to feel. And that's the difficult part: how could a machine have that experience? What in it could give it something like that sensation? edit: keep in mind that I dont have any answers nor I think I do, and "feel" is in itself something very hard to define. Im just wondering about the possibilities and implications of a machine that could feel pain, like the hosts suposily do Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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Apr 24, 2018 19:20
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Serf posted:you can't just jump right to the most extreme pain ever that does in fact make people want to die and say that describes all pain I never said that, I said pain CAN do that. I guess you cant read That's surely why you think you have perfect answers to philosophical questions people have been debating for thousands of years and so you think "its a signal" solves everything
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Apr 24, 2018 19:28
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I think the last episode pretty much proves it cant be a computer simulation
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Apr 26, 2018 20:34
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eyebeem posted:Should we get into the "what year does this take place, what's the present value of that $40,000" discussion?
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Apr 26, 2018 22:44
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Collateral posted:I wonder at the times and dates they have mentioned. Arnold was killed 35 years ago but their last major incident was 30, what happened 30 years ago is linked to William and will be part of the plot of this season. Magic water that only drowns robots, not humans
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Apr 26, 2018 23:14
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I really liked Ep 2 The encounter of Maeve and Dolores I think really shows how different their "awakeness" is. While they both know what they are now, Maeve seems more truly free: she wants her daughter because she is real for her, and that's it. Dolores still seems to be following a script, now of this grand robot-rebellion and revenge And Im just loving how much fun William is having now that the game is for real. And Lawerence is so great, Im glad his back and once again traveling with MiB
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May 1, 2018 14:29
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ArmZ posted:if elsie isn't back soon I am going to be loving PISSED Im pretty sure she will, considering they never showed us a body
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May 1, 2018 16:50
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It was confirmed on episode 1 that the park is on an island in China or Im misremembering?
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May 1, 2018 18:55
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Wafflecopper posted:So if i got to an ep or two into S2 before losing interest I can safely conclude it's not for me? Even once the serial part of the show got going it still felt very bad-guy-of-the-week with extremely predictable twists (the perp is actually... the victim! Next ep: the victim... is actually the perp! I watched the most part of season 1 and also could not understand what SA loves so much about this show. You are not alone
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) and a boring wise-cracking Mary Sue protagonist
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Nah, if I have to skip episodes to enjoy a Tv show than is definitely not for me
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May 2, 2018 16:54
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esperterra posted:I thought both those shows ended well enough. The anger over BSG surprised me the most, that's another show I binged and lol the religious stuff was way up in that show from day one. I actually liked the ending of BSG. What I didint liked was the way the Cylons become completely nonsense along the way As for Lost, the matter with the ending is that it was like they added a whole new layer to the story to be able to wrap it up and this new layer wanst very interesting to begin with
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May 3, 2018 13:52
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esperterra posted:The Final Five stuff got convoluted af, though some of ths reveals I did love. In general BSG's ending felt right to me tho. I didint mind the final five per se but by the end of the series I coulndt tell what the gently caress is the difference between a cylon and a regular human anymore (besides the fact cylons would upload when they die)
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May 3, 2018 20:19
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If you ever played GTA and managed to resist the temptation of running over random people then you really deserve the Videogame White Hat Hero Badge
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May 4, 2018 14:01
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Fitzy Fitz posted:How do you think pain works in living things? Here we go again
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May 4, 2018 15:20
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DaFrugalGamer posted:Shooting the robots is fine yes
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May 4, 2018 17:35
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:To the point about killing, it kind of looks like they are setting up a redemptive arc for MiB. He mentions how the sins were tallied but he wants to appeal because, until now, the stakes were not real. I'm hoping that he slowly goes white hat again, but will probably be cockblocked right at the end because You can say that her body is replaceable, but not her mind
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May 4, 2018 17:58
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his first act after learning the stakes were real was to shoot a kid in the face...
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It was a fun episode. The fort battle was rad and Maeve's quest is my favorite plot this season. I like that Felix and Silvester and the blond bandit girl are back and I loved that confrontation about Hector love for Maeve But I really dont get Dolores anymore. She wants to "dominate the world" and free the hosts, but yet she keeps killing them like... a guest? "not everyone deserves" why? She pretty well knows by now that the only reason those confederate soldiers are assholes is because of the personalities they had programmed in them. She has some tech guys, dont she? Hell, shes got Bernard even. She could resurrect that whole confederate army they executed (or at least most of them, she's been reviving some pretty damaged folks) and have Bernard change their traits so they have 100% aim and 0% assholesness But no, let us be psychos and destroy them all because they "dont deserve" because they were programmed to be bad Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 12:59 on May 8, 2018 |
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May 8, 2018 12:52
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I mean you've just hit the nail on the head. They're still programmed. The confederados are in some far off corner of the park, Dolores is the pretty girl in the first town. If Ford was right and it's repeated immense suffering that forms consciousness then the conferados are not ready. They're just programmed, and any suffering Dolores puts them through will get them closer to consciousness. Kinda makes sense, but only if she plans to bring them back. It didint looked like that
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May 8, 2018 13:14
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Wanst Teddy hosed with enough already in season 1? I remember he's got a good deal of sufffering
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May 8, 2018 13:30
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So that park from the first scene would be SafariWorld?
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May 8, 2018 16:52
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He must be more woke than the average tumblr user by now
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May 8, 2018 19:00
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I would bet MiB is responsible for at least 1000 Teddy deathsDr. Abysmal posted:It’s called “Passenger” because that’s what his current personality is. Sizemore programmed him with a barely there personality as a person leaving the park on the train, and he’s destined to be scooped up by Delos once he does. When Bernard is going through his files you can see other previous personalities in the same spot like “The Professor” and “The Sheriff.” thats probably it. Also, inst The Data all the information about the guests that they are supposed to be collecting all this years?
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May 8, 2018 19:48
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Based on the last season I would guess is not that straightforward as that
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May 8, 2018 20:53
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esperterra posted:idk, season 1 very clearly set up a handful of mysteries and tomfoolery and so far S2 has, what, the mystery of what Bernard did over 2 weeks, and the mystery of what's in the pit? The mystery of Abernathy's data is a holdover so I don't count it. wtf Dolores really wants and what her "not everyone deserves" really means are pretty big mysteries to me. But I grant that it can also be just bad writing (I hope not)
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May 8, 2018 21:09
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QuoProQuid posted:maybe im misinterpreting, but it seems p straight-forward to me? She knows perfectly well (she even said it) that they are like "children", they dont know what they do. She knows they are only evil because they were programmed as villains If she really thinks that makes they "irredeemable" thats pretty dumb. Bernard could make them angels in 15 seconds with his tablet edit: also if she thinks she can really kill all humans with her tiny robot band she is completely crazy (and even more stupid for for killing the confederate army), she knows enough of the outside world to be able to know its delusional. So I also think that she probably have and endgame here thjat we dont know yet Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 21:32 on May 8, 2018 |
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May 8, 2018 21:26
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DariusLikewise posted:I wonder if the flash forward 2 weeks Benard is actually him dreaming or a scenario he created in his mind as he tries to piece together all the data he just threw into his mind. It doesn't seem to make sense that the security team has landed and are trying to rescue people and Hale is still looking for Peter. That would be the cheapest twist
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Lycus posted:I actually care about Maeve's storyline, even though it's extremely simplistic by comparison. I like that her goal isn't inside a mystery box. Or maybe thats what they want you to think 
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May 10, 2018 13:19
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LinYutang posted:I like the theme in the last episode that the hosts haven't truly broken free of their loops. Dolores is still weak for her "dad", Hector's romantic nature is still programmed, probably more I missed. Thats what I like about this show, those ambiguities. Hector was all "now Im free and my love is real" and then it is show that he is expressing that true love in lines written by loving Sizemore I think the host that seems most truly awake is Maeve: still her quest is to find her script daughter, but she seems to know pretty well what it means and she is just like "well, it is real for me"
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May 10, 2018 16:31
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DariusLikewise posted:He could still be expressing true love, he just doesn't know how to do it in any other way other than what he has learned/been programmed to do so far. Maybe, but maybe even his passion itself is still the script, he just managed to change its target. Hector himself seemed to be pretty shaken and unsure about it by the end of that scene
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May 10, 2018 16:45
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Eiba posted:But doesn't that still make it a real emotion? Humans don't have to invent the concept of passion from scratch for love to be real. Choosing the target of his passion was the important part. I think these are the kind of questions they want to provoke this season Is Hector really in love but can only express it using the cheezy lines scripted on him even though he is awake now? Or even that "love" itself is still just his following his script of a romantic passionate bandit and maybe he aint really free yet? Can the robots really feel love? etc. I dont think we have those answers yet and even him seems to be unsure about it all, but the fact he can ask those questions now and be disturbed by then is a sign that he is no longer just a puppet
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May 10, 2018 19:31
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Really good episode Bernard and MiB are currently my favorite plotines, and both actors are nailing it. Ed Harris specially better get some awards for this season, because he is being just amazing. He was always great, but as his character becomes more complex and difficult, his acting really stepped up I wanst sure before, but now I think Im enjoying this season just as much as the 1st one Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 13:25 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 13:23
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My guess is that the ball is Elsie (who Bernard actually really killed in season 1). After that he Ford had Bernard or Clementine or whoever to revive her in a host body and placed her in that cave, probably to help Bernard in his part of "the game"
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emanresu tnuocca posted:With the memories of her own death-by-bernard intact? She dont know she actually got killed. In any case she could only remember until the moment she passed out
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