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Tales of Woe
Dec 17, 2004



Nunu needs a Sion level reboot even if they keep him as a jungle control guy

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Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)


They just need to make Willump sexier.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Tits and cooters, Mr Bond.


Two options:

1) need twenty minutes of different yeti noises

2) reboot concept with Nunubot as the base skin.

Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

Security? Please escort the fan in section 106, row 16, seat 1 out of the building right now and bar him from coming here again!


Hashtag Yoloswag posted:

while writing that post i def thought "this is probably not a question i should answer bc i havent played top in forever"

speaking of weird unreadable champions, im pretty sure illaoi is at the top of the list. id be surprised if any single person could list her entire kit's rules from memory

The Mash
Feb 17, 2007

You have to say I can open my presents


gowb posted:

Which ult is less impactive + feels worse to use in all circumstances

Nunu
Rammus
Volibear
Aatrox

Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

Security? Please escort the fan in section 106, row 16, seat 1 out of the building right now and bar him from coming here again!


nunu and aatrox should not be on that list

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

by zen death robot


The Mash posted:

Nunu
Rammus
Volibear
Aatrox

I'll give you rammus but the rest..you are crazy

Tales of Woe
Dec 17, 2004



Trundle ult feels pretty lame because of how hard it is to see anything happening

Reality Loser
Aug 10, 2016



You dont need an impactful ult if the rest of you is good

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

by zen death robot


Reality Winner posted:

You dont need an impactful ult if the rest of you is good

This, but also trundle ult is noticeably impactful in that their tank will melt and you will be super buff

Emery
Feb 8, 2012

Where were you when I was...


https://twitter.com/RiotRepertoir/s...749891758993409

Morgana buffs in 7.24 lookin pretty good

misguided rage
Jun 15, 2010

God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title

Jungle morgana incoming??

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006




They're changing Zyra around a bunch on the PBE, too. The short version is that melee champs can instantly kill her plants at all levels, and W's passive is changed from granting your plants bonus health to refreshing a percentage of W's cooldown upon getting a kill, with a smaller percentage for minion/monster kills, and a 100% refund for champion kills. Should give midlane Zyra more viability.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Tits and cooters, Mr Bond.


The Mash posted:

Nunu
Rammus
Volibear
Aatrox

Nunu ult is difficult to use, but it owns when you actually pull off a full channel.

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

by zen death robot


They really need to figure out some way to make zyra jungle viable just for thematic reasons

Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

Security? Please escort the fan in section 106, row 16, seat 1 out of the building right now and bar him from coming here again!


kingcobweb posted:

Nunu ult is difficult to use, but it owns when you actually pull off a full channel.

you make a persuasive argument that nunu needs to be removed from the game. i agree with you

Elentor
Dec 14, 2004



Much like pre-rework Sion, I miss pre-rework Zyra. I can no longer mono-champion my way in the game because nothing else feels as right as plant lady did. I don't even play her anymore, the pain is too hard to bear.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Tits and cooters, Mr Bond.


Elentor posted:

Much like pre-rework Sion, I miss pre-rework Zyra. I can no longer mono-champion my way in the game because nothing else feels as right as plant lady did. I don't even play her anymore, the pain is too hard to bear.

Her kit barely changed, and the changes improved her. Idk what you’re missing. The slowest movespeed? The near-useless passive? Not actually being able to make a plant till level two?

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

by zen death robot


Wait does zyra not have her death passive anymore????

AttackBacon
Nov 19, 2010

This pleases me greatly!


I remain unconvinced 90% of this thread actually plays the game.

Herbotron
Feb 24, 2013


gowb posted:

Wait does zyra not have her death passive anymore????

not since the mage update in season 6
same patch they added protobelt and the new dragons

Super Librarian
Jan 4, 2005

HAIRBALL, CATNIP, AND YARN, HEED MY CALL


kingcobweb posted:

Her kit barely changed, and the changes improved her. Idk what you’re missing. The slowest movespeed? The near-useless passive? Not actually being able to make a plant till level two?

I can't speak for Elentor but I think it's a little less fun now that each individual plant feels a bit less impactful. Reworked Q also still feels a bit more awkward to aim and quickly cast.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006




Zyra traded off reduced power in her Q (both in terms of its damage and cast shape) and less plant damage in exchange for not having worse base stats than loving Sona. It was a good trade.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Tits and cooters, Mr Bond.


Weird piece of League ability coding that might actually affect your gameplay: Zyra’s ult happens in two separate parts. First it does damage immediately, then it knocks up without additional damage. So if you need to finish off a low-health target you don’t need to predict their movement, and if you’re at 1hp you can walk into the knockup and live

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Tits and cooters, Mr Bond.


Vermain posted:

Zyra traded off reduced power in her Q (both in terms of its damage and cast shape) and less plant damage in exchange for not having worse base stats than loving Sona. It was a good trade.

The 20 base movespeed buff

Elentor
Dec 14, 2004



Super Librarian posted:

I can't speak for Elentor but I think it's a little less fun now that each individual plant feels a bit less impactful. Reworked Q also still feels a bit more awkward to aim and quickly cast.

Yeah pretty much it.

kingcobweb posted:

Her kit barely changed, and the changes improved her. Idk what you’re missing. The slowest movespeed? The near-useless passive? Not actually being able to make a plant till level two?

I never said she got nerfed, but I preferred her old kit. Her old Q and plant damage was a lot of fun. The other stat changes never really mattered to me even in SR because half the fun of Zyra for me was doing these elaborate bait setups and there was a lot more punch to them when the Q and plant budget weren't spread over the fact you can now have more plants. Plants to me were a bit like mushrooms and a lot of stuff I did before that downright murdered people now don't really do anything.

Also even after all the nerfs her passive was nowhere near useless. It was a poorly designed passive that is worse than the new one, yes, but it worked in favor of an anti-engage playstyle. Her passive did enough to damage to make ganks dubious. So you had these situations where you were forced under the tower and your buffed stats can't really do anything against a towerdive. You're counting on the burst damage, which old Q + on-demand plants provided. Whether by mistake or not that damage was very tightly tuned enough to kill enemies in a lot of situations, and her awful passive covered the rest of the situations for a guaranteed 1 for 1 or, more often than the enemies expected, 1 for 2. I definitely don't miss her old passive and I don't like the design choice of making passives that depend on you dying, but the amount of 1 for 2 trades I got out of it was crazy.

Edit: Also, unless they decide to improve her E travel speed, her movespeed changes shouldn't affect her win condition as a solo laner in any meaningful way, and if they do for your playstyle then you're better off playing any other champion instead after the rework. They're a much, much more effective change for support Zyra.

Something that hasn't been touched upon is the fact that there's been a power creep that her rework did not address, and that power creep is what is resulting in her current "solo laning viability buffs". I feel like even if her budget was increased it was spread a bit too thin and it made a lot more sense in the context of her being a support. Playing as solo Zyra just became downright unfun for me after the changes.

Elentor fucked around with this message at Nov 24, 2017 around 05:36

Big McHuge
Feb 4, 2014

You wait for the war to happen like vultures.
If you want to help, prevent the war.
Don't save the remnants.

Save them all.


Luceid posted:

Coming back to this game after like 5 years of absence feels pretty darn hard. perhaps i am too old and retarded now

This is 100% me. I've just been playing jungle because screw last-hitting.

Monicro
Oct 21, 2010

And you could feel his features in the air
A wide smile and perfect hair
He had complete control of the rising tides
And a medicine bag hanging at his side

In the flowing blue world of the death-dealing physician


So is there something im missing here or is Overcharge really just a shallower version of blood moon

JerryLee
Feb 4, 2005

THE RESERVED LIST! THE RESERVED LIST! I CANNOT SHUT UP ABOUT THE RESERVED LIST!


Monicro posted:

So is there something im missing here or is Overcharge really just a shallower version of blood moon

It's dumb as poo poo is what it is, and I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole if I didn't have to do some missions on it.

Elentor
Dec 14, 2004



Yeah it's really not the best mode they've added.

Elman
Oct 26, 2009



Good news is you only need to play it once for one of the missions and that's it (unless the 3rd/4th missions force you to play more, I haven't made it that far yet).

Servaetes
Sep 10, 2003

True enemy or false friend?


I'm still bitter about how they hosed up Skarner, man.

JerryLee
Feb 4, 2005

THE RESERVED LIST! THE RESERVED LIST! I CANNOT SHUT UP ABOUT THE RESERVED LIST!


Elman posted:

Good news is you only need to play it once for one of the missions and that's it (unless the 3rd/4th missions force you to play more, I haven't made it that far yet).

I've hit at least one more mission deeper in the tree that makes you play on it, yeah.

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

by zen death robot


Servaetes posted:

I'm still bitter about how they hosed up Skarner, man.

Skarner is a bug not a man
(Me too)

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I have special eyes.

Just think of all the cool stuff I can see.


Servaetes posted:

I'm still bitter about how they hosed up Skarner, man.
At least with Morde they intentionally decided "let's see what happens when we warp the game as much as possible to try and make a melee carry work, consequences be damned". Skarner's capture point mechanic is just pure

The Mash
Feb 17, 2007

You have to say I can open my presents


John Murdoch posted:

At least with Morde they intentionally decided "let's see what happens when we warp the game as much as possible to try and make a melee carry work, consequences be damned". Skarner's capture point mechanic is just pure

Sexpansion
Mar 22, 2003

DELETED


I'm just waiting for riot to mess up one of my favorite champions but it hasn't happened yet

Teikanmi
Dec 16, 2006

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Malphite is legit my favorite champion because I'm retard so there's basically no chance of that ever happening

Lovechop
Feb 1, 2005

cheers mate


malphite must now collect 12 ‘rock tokens’ from around the map to unite with his lost people and unlock his ultimate ability - transcendent blades

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Killed By Death
Jun 29, 2013




Unstoppable Force is now a linear skillshot with unlimited range but you only stop upon hitting a champion; if you fail to connect you will travel off the map, never to return for the rest of the game.

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