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unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

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unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Name: The Community
Color: White and Gold
Platform: The dictatorship was hard on everyone, many people had their lives ruined by the autocracy. the community was founded in response. Little physical comfort could be given to those oppressed and crushed by the dictatorship, those whose hard-earned wealth was stolen by the greedy and corrupt. The community had something nobody else could offer, and something no dictator could take away, spiritual enlightenment. A group of like-minded philosophers and scholars founded The Community and set to work on spreading their message, lambasting Vallstein for his pride and arrogance and later Greene for his incompetence. There is some evidence to suggest The Community was involved in several violent anti-government actions, but little that is concrete. The First Preachers were persecuted harshly by the government when they went out to spread their message, but hopefully this new democracy signifies a new era for The Community.

- A moral human only exists within the framework of asceticism, material wealth should be held not by individuals, but institutions (preferably The Community)
- The nation should only be led by those individuals who have reached enlightenment and have proven themselves impervious to corruption. Corruption should be punishable by death
- Material wealth should be expended on supporting the basic needs (food, shelter, healthcare,etc.) of the people of Sirta
- Radical wealth redistribution and equality is a moral imperative, and the wealth should be controlled and directed by the government (preferably with The Community in charge)
- Asceticism should be mandatory for everyone, from the politician to the common citizen, as asceticism is the only way to true humility
- Pride, Arrogance, Avarice, and Lust are crimes punishable by the law
- Wisdom and Knowledge must sometimes be defended with force. As such, the community supports violence if Sirta or The Community is endangered.
- The justice system should focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment, except in the case of the death penalty
- A police force and a standing army is unnecessary, the citizenry are capable of policing themselves and may be called upon to defend Sirta in times of need
- Military training is necessary for the formation of proper citizen's militias
- Leaders should be chosen by consensus, based upon a proportional representation system to a parliament (although leaders must come from within The Community), separate executive and judicial systems are unnecessary and tyrannical
- brain scanning/artificial enhancement is the height of pride and arrogance, such actions ought to be illegal and punishable.

Leader: Amnesty (unwantedplatypus)
Not much is known about Amnesty's past, as it is common for members of The Community to take up new names or even identities when joining, but what little we have suggests that she was born of a lower-class family in the slums of the capital city. She rose to prominence during the rulership of Vallstein. Her preaching caught the attention of the government and a warrant was put out for her arrest. She quickly went into hiding. Her administrative work was essential for keeping The Community intact in the early days of its existence. As Greene's government began to fall she came out of hiding, and joined the calls for his deposing. It came as a moderate surprise when she was chosen by vote to lead the party, however several more sociable and recognizable faces of The Community endorsed her and the junior members followed suit.

List: none

Type: Ideological

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

CourValant posted:

Yeah, I'm not sure with this crowd how we 'signed' a constitution to begin with; 'revolution-high' is my guess.

The Israeli Parliament isn't a bad comparison, although, given the sheer divergent conglomerate we're gathering, I think the Indian Democratic Republic and its sheer number of 'No, You Shut Up' Parties is also rather apt.

Just because we have a lot of parties doesn't mean they are all equally powerful, time will tell who is a major player, and who is relegated to the fringe

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Jazerus posted:

there are ten gambling dens within walking distance of my life-pod

Hello friend, why don't you drop by the local Community gathering. Many people make good lifetime friends at these gatherings .

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Our Community Seeks to Serve Your Community

Brothers, Sisters, and those who are neither brother nor sister. It is long past due for the people of Sirta to have their voices heard, their communities tended to. Corruption and violence have spread like a weed through a beautiful garden, choking out the flowers and suffocating the crops. Crime organizations grift off of our labor, government officials pocket your coins, the wealthy and powerful ignore your pleas. The Community has a vision though, of a once more thriving landscape, tended to by dedicated caretakers. A world where everyone has their place in the sunlight and room for their roots. Here is how The Community wishes to serve Sirta.

Pluck out the Weeds - All upper level government or military officials that took part in any of the injustices of the dictatorship will be hunted down and executed. Let there be no amnesty for the takers, the grifters, the killers. Lower-level government or military officials shall receive forgiveness. They shall be banned from handling any of the reigns of power ever again, but the blame lies firmly with their superiors. Let them be rehabilitated, after a short prison sentence, they will be free to live their lives, but not as part of the civil service, government, or military.

Crime plagues our cities, but how can the average citizen trust that the same forces that oppressed will help them against criminality? We should establish groups of dedicated and concerned citizens (chosen by lot from the pool of applicants and rotated out every two years) in every municipality, invested with the power to investigate, prosecute, and sentence criminals and crime organizations.

Expand the Roots - We must rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. These shall be done through governmental programs finding labor from the pool of the unemployed. A plant disconnected from its roots withers and dies. Our public services need to be revitalized. Our universities and bio-technical industries will not be neglected. Sirtan scholars should be famous throughout the galaxy. Why, a new enlightenment could start right here!

For everyone, a place in the sun - No member of our community shall go hungry, or without a roof. Social programs should be expanded, including universal healthcare, free tertiary education, and a universal basic income. These will be paid for by taxing heavily the rich, and seizing the assets of crime bosses and former regime leaders, the corrupt grifters that suck the life out of Sirta will be forced to give back!

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

The CLF, The police, the army. All of these are just tools of oppression. They seek to dominate the people from above. What Sirta needs is enforcement from within the ranks of her common citizens. Not from some opaque governmental association or party apparatus. We are all equal no? Then why is power distributed unequally?

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Humble beginnings for The Community, we thank everyone who helped us get into parliament. We will work to serve you, and to serve Sirta.

It seems the SRLF has a plurality or seats. Who will they decide to convene with I wonder?

And what shall we make of these guardian council appointments?

Only time will tell

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

Without any prior notice, Victor Knapfstein, leader of DAL, walks on stage and begins speaking in front of Parliament, his words relayed to the entirety of Sirta via the constantly active SCN channel displaying a live video feed of the hall.

“I have several important things to say. To start with, I want to congratulate our former comrades-in-arms at the SRLF for their success in the election. I am glad to see that there is a significant appetite among the citizens to continue our struggle and bring all of the regime’s criminals to account! It is obvious that our parties should join together, alongside any others that aren’t afraid of the people’s justice!

Now, there are two promises that any of our partners MUST give unconditionally.

First, they MUST guarantee that ALL of the bootlickers, hired murderers and uniformed bandits aiding and abetting the regime’s crimes against the people will receive their deserved punishment.

Second, they MUST formally recognize, through legislation if necessary, the authority of our valiant brothers and sisters in the CLF to police the areas they are already policing without formal recognition. Whether that is as a part of the “militia union” proposed earlier or another means, all is welcome, so long as the CLF’s autonomy isn’t violated.

In order to ensure that these promises are carried out properly, we, the staunchest allies of the CLF should hold the portfolios of Justice and Internal Security, which are the government positions most relevant to the matter.

I am certain, that our former comrades-in-arms in the SRLF, dedicated as they are to our struggle, will be quick to give these promises and expedite our course towards true justice!”

The Community believes that the CLF is an institution with much promise, and we would like to see this decentralized, locally organized structure be taken elsewhere and applied to different aspects of our nation. Would the DAL support this goal, which we consider quite noble?

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

The next to be granted the right to speak is another Guardian Council appointee, William Viner:

"I want to register my extreme opposition to granting the Defense Ministry to a party openly affiliated with an independent armed grouped involved in terror attacks and war crimes against the SDF and which likely harbors hostile intentions towards it."

The SDF as an institution played a large part in oppressing the citizens of Sirta and propping up the old regime. It only makes sense, then, that our ministry of defense be run by someone who has no ties to the SDF and perhaps some distrust towards them. It is supremely questionable whether Sirta even has need for an organization such as the SDF.

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Crazycryodude posted:

Comrades,

We understand that our offer of the Defense Ministry to the DAL has been.... controversial. And while we still stand by our initial decision, the SRLF must bow to the popular will and rescind the offer. The Defense Ministry will remain under the control of the SRLF, but to ensure that the DAL remains heard, we shall relinquish the Justice Ministry to their full control. We hope this reflects our commitment to the ideals of the revolution, and a promise that all criminals of the former regime will be brought to justice and be made to answer for their crimes. We're not here to create a terror, but justice must be done, fairly and evenly. We'd also like to clarify that the CLF's ability to police their communities will be recognized and legitimized through the newly proposed Militia Union, cementing the people's power in this new Sirta.

This new government is off to a troubling start

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

The Community objects to the SRLF putting a guardian council appointee in the position of attorney general. As an unelected group, The Community is opposed to the existence of those seats; and as a continuation of a group of people's own egos to the detriment of others, The Community opposes the Guardian Council itself.

edit: In addition, the inclusion of Rutherford Vanderbush as minister of foreign affairs is something The Community finds odd. What experience does he have that would be beneficial to this job?

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unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

sniper4625 posted:

Comrade Radek

I heartily agree with you, good sir, on the undemocratic nature of the appointed seats. However, that should not condemn the person sitting in them - as the MP with one of if not the strongest legal background, the Honorable Mr. Rockwell was a natural choice.

As to the Honorable Mr. Vanderbrush, I direct you to the FDG, who put for the name for consideration.

We are not condemning Mr. Rockwell as a person, but as a matter of principle the Guardian Council appointees should not be seen as legitimate.


Pakled posted:

Yes, I can field that question. We wanted Mr. Vanderbush as Minister of Foreign Affairs because we believe he, as a very influential man of high ideals, is an asset to the Sirtan government and to our coalition, as well as an excellent face of Sirta to neighbors and to potential investors.

A man being influential and having high ideals does not in and of itself mean he is a good pick to lead a government ministry. Investors, if foreign investors is something we even want, will be much more concerned with the economic viability of Sirta and the security of their assets rather than just the amicability of the Minister.

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

I appreciate that Mr. Vanderbush attempted to rebuff me for questioning his credentials, and then proceeded to propose an incredibly questionable bill whereby we would join an organization we have little knowledge of.

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unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

As of right now, the Guardian Council can appoint nearly a fifth of the parliament. The Community understands the intent behind the Guardian Council seats, to have a group of MPs not beholden to the whims of party politics.

However, the Community is deeply troubled by the concept of an unelected council (made up of immortals) having such a huge influence on the politics of our country

Thusly, we propose an amendment to the constitution.

quote:


Provision of the proposed amendment:

1)10 of the 15 guardian council seats will be replaced by citizen seats

2)The appointees of the guardian council currently sitting in Parliament at the time of writing of this bill may retain their seats until the next election

3) As a result of this bill; 60 of the 80 parliamentary seats will be elected via closed list proportional representation, 15 will be randomly selected from eligible citizens, and 5 will be appointed by the Guardian Council

4) This amendment will take effect at the start of the next parliamentary election

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

1. A Motion of Confidence for the formation of government under Comrade Luxembourg from the SRLF.

We oppose the composition of the current government, due to the concerns raised earlier

2. The SIRTRAK Act, proposed by Member Radek of the SRLF.

We support this
3. The SISTER Act, proposed by Member Bookchin of the SRLF.

We support this
4. The Census Act, proposed by Member Subtallier of the Unity Coalition, along with associated amendments with Member Danube of the FDG (each amendment needs to be voted on separately).

We support this
5. The Care and Shelter Act, proposed by Member Hughes of Dawn.

We support this
6. The Sirtan Budget Office Act, proposed by Member Vanderbush

We support this
7. The Outer Alliance Resolution, proposed by Member Vanderbush.

We oppose this, theres no reason to become entangled in foreign politics so quickly
8. Bill F-1, also known as the Tax Enforcement Act, proposed by ReSeAu Gen of the UCS.

We support this
9. Constitutional Amendment on Parliament's Composition, proposed by Amnesty of the Community (requires 61 votes to pass).

We support this
10. The Truth and Reconciliation Act, proposed by Member Danube of the FDG.

I cannot quite speak for the others on this. The Community as a whole would prefer a more local and popular means of judging these cases. I personally support this act.
11. The Truth and Justice Act, proposed by Member Knapfstein of the DAL.

The same issues we have with the Truth and Reconciliation Act are present with The Truth and Justice Act. I personally support this act.
12. The PEOPLE'S ASSEMBLY Act, proposed by Member Bookchin of the SRLF.
We support this

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

1. The Self-Determination Act, submitted by Minister of Interior Danube.

Nay
2. The Right to Know Act, submitted by Member Arthur Subtallier.
AYe
3. The Police Reform Act, submitted by Minister of Interior Security Radek.
Aye
4. Amendment to the SIRTRAK Act, by Minister of Interior Security Radek.
Aye
5. The Healer Amnesty Act, submitted by Minister of Health Dr. Xavier Dubois.
Nay
6. The Budget Bill for March 3062, submitted by Prime Minister Luxemburg.
Aye

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

The Community will staunchly oppose any and all attempts to open up diplomatic relationships with the Kingdom of Hesperides. Is there monarchy not unlike our very own Greene or Vallstein? Will our trade not enrich the coffers of oppressors? Immortal rule by immortal lords, processors running hot scheming of ways to extract wealth and labor from its citizens, and turn them into obedient automatons?

And what of the "Republic" of the New Frontier? Theirs is nothing but a husk of a Democracy run by corporations and gerontocrats. Do we want our wealth and intelligence to go towards propping up that regime?

We are wary of the Unitary State of Saguenay and the SRECC, but will reserve further judgement until we know more about those nations.

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

aye to all

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

The Tariff Abolition Act submitted by the Freedom Stability Party - NAY
The Sovereign Wealth Fund Act, submitted by Minister Radek. - AYE
The Budget Bill for April 3062 submitted by Prime Minister Luxembourg - AYE
The Census Extension Act, an amendment to the prior passed Census Act, submitted by Minister Danube. - AYE
The Bootstrap Act, submitted by Arthur Subtallier. - AYE

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

The Community changes its vote on the Sovereign Wealth Fund Act from Aye to Nay

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

The Community would like to submit

The AMR Accountability Act

The current legal status of AMRs leaves a few loopholes. What if a person, for example, plans to commit a murder and makes an AMR of themself before that murder takes place. Legally we cannot prosecute their AMR for murder as the point of divergence happened before the crime took place. Therefore this bill is as follows

- AMRs are legally responsible for any crimes committed by their original copy, and will face the same or equivalent legal repercussions
- The original person is legally responsible for any crimes committed by their AMRs, and will face the same or equivalent legal repercussions

The Community would also like to submit another bill

The Rehabilitation Act

- The government will agree to establish free rehabilitation centers. People may voluntarily enter into these programs, or they may be sentenced to rehabilitation in place of more traditional punishment for consumption and possession of illegal addictive substances. These rehabilitation centers will initiate a program for their clients with the goal of stopping their current addictive substance use, and preventing their clients from using substances in the future. The program in question will be decided upon by a panel of licensed doctors who will decide on a national program, based primarily on efficacy of reducing drug relapse and improving overall health. People who voluntarily enter the program may withdraw at any time without legal consequence, though those sentenced to a rehabilitation center by a judge cannot withdraw from a program until their completion of the program.

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

I applaud Comrade Bookchin on his astute observations and The Community supports the sentiment he has expressed.

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

"Don't put words in my mouth, Minister. I didn't say or imply that an elected office to oversee elections would be tyrannical. I am merely concerned about entrusting tasks vital for the proper functioning of our democracy itself to democratically elected officials. Should judges be elected as well? Prosecutors? Generals? What this bill proposes is functionally equivalent to entrusting the party that received a plurality of the vote in a given district with running the next election. Surely, you can see how that can lead to bias and therefore undermine the concept of free and fair elections?

Even as recently as today, there has been a constitutional amendment proposed to have appointments to the Constitutional Court be beholden to political interests. I am warning you Minister, as well as all other members of this Parliament - do not go down this road without understanding where it might lead you. It may not seem like it now, but you too could find yourself in the opposition one day."

And why shouldn't judges, prosecutors, and generals be elected? Why are you so afraid of the people's will?

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

The Lord of Hats posted:




Our current process saw a 27-year-old with no practical legal experience appointed to the highest court in Sirta. While I'm sure the committee had their reasons, I personally believe it amply demonstrates that these appointments are inherently political. That the Justices serve for live is an excellent step for maintaining consistency on the court, and independence from any given government, the fact that the appointment process took place entirely in back rooms, with many parties in Parliament being afforded no say whatsoever--whether they were in government or in the opposition--means that the process as it stands is unfortunately rather undemocratic. The process must be done openly, with of Sirta's chosen representatives allowed to have input.

Legal experience, without a strong moral compass, is worse than useless. Having someone dedicated to justice is more important, and legal experience can be picked up along the way.

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

1. The AMR Accountability Act, submitted by Member Amnesty. - Aye

2. The Rehabilitation Act, submitted by Member Amnesty. - Aye

3. The Free and Fair Elections Act, submitted by Member Subtallier. - Aye

4. Constitutional Amendment on Appointments to the Constitutional Court, submitted by Minister of Foreign Affairs Vanderbush. - Aye

5. The Opposing Syndicated Crime and Racketeering Act, submitted by Minister of Internal Security Radek. - Aye

6. The Budget Bill for May 3062 - December 3062, submitted by Prime Minister Luxemburg. - Aye

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Amnesty
Opal

People's Assembly

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

1.The Property Appropriation Process Act, submitted by Member Borisov.
nay
2. Amendment to the Property Appropriation Act, submitted by Minister of Internal Security Radek.
nay
3. Bill G-1, submitted by Minister of Finance ReSeuGen.
abstain

Could we have some way of actually linking to these bills in question in the big roundup posts. I have no idea where Bill G-1 was posted and I've searched the last couple of pages several times.

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

It should not go beyond the notice of this parliament that Guardian Council appointees heavily tipped the scales in favor of PAPA. These non-democratically elected seats allowed this piece of legislation to pass.

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

The Community will also be contesting every city council election with generic NPCs. Here is the the list of our mayoral candidates:

Topaz:
Inner Fire (42) - former CLF soldier and veteran of the revolution

Opal:
Revlo Ansin (38) - former accountant, now helps run several soup kitchens in Opal

Peridot:
Thomas Ecklemore (50) - University Philosophy teacher, author of "Flesh to Silicon: Ramifications of Robotization"

Amber:
Unity (63) - Once was a wealthy stock trader, sold most of his possessions and became a Community preacher

Sapphire:
Marco Silvas (49) - Railyard worker, helped organize his coworkers to demand better compensation and fair treatment, jailed by the Vallstein regime

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Amnesty, Member of Parliament votes for The Community for city council in Opal

for Mayor

1) Revlo Ansin (The Community)
2) Claudia Barnes (Independent)
3) Cynthia Grimmet (Dawn)
4) Michael Saint-Just (SRLF)
5) Harold Matteson (Unity Coalition)
6) Sisay Cardoso (FDG)
7) Agnes Cash (FSP)

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Excerpt from a rally held by mayoral candidate Unity

...yes indeed I saw the corruption and graft held at the top of society. Each and every day I was confronted with the wealth that the elites and the old regime stole from the Sirtan people. I saw the moral and personal degradation that befell our citizens. The pleasant lies of upward mobility, of nationalistic unity, are mere distractions in the face of massive wealth inequality and moral decadence that grips our society. Brothers and Sisters, I ask that you assist me, I plead with you as a peer, as a friend, as a member of our Sirtan community. We must come against this filth like a tidal wave. A wave of honesty and virtue that will sweep aside the muck of yesteryear, and deliver us towards a new era of prosperity and love.

Look not upon someone's experience, their outward demeanor. Ask not their net worth, their generous vanities. Desire not their power or positions. Rather, look at the inner character of our leaders. For our mayor, choose a candidate who is pure in spirit, and in deed. And, brothers and sisters, I ask that you make your voices heard in the homes, in the streets, on the soap box, and in the ballot box.

Thank you, each and every one of you. Be excellent, and be kind.

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unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

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Amendment on Parliamentary Composition

-The number of seats in parliament filled by Guardian Council appointments will be reduced from 15 to 5
- The number of seats in parliament filled by elected seats ( proportional representation) will be increased by 10


The undemocratic nature of the constitution of this Parliament is intolerable. The people must govern themselves, and there are currently 20 seats in Parliament not chosen by the people of Sirta. That is one fourth of the entire Parliament! If the people themselves wish a law to be passed, what legitimate authority can deny them?

The Rehabilitation Act, V2

-The government will agree to establish free rehabilitation centers. People may voluntarily enter into these programs, or they may be sentenced to rehabilitation in place of more traditional punishment for consumption and possession of illegal addictive substances. These rehabilitation centers will initiate a program for their clients with the goal of stopping their current addictive substance use, and preventing their clients from using substances in the future. The program in question will be decided upon by a panel of licensed doctors who will decide on a national program, based primarily on efficacy of reducing drug relapse and improving overall health. People who voluntarily enter the program may withdraw at any time without legal consequence, though those sentenced to a rehabilitation center by a judge cannot withdraw from a program until their completion of the program.

- One of each of these centers will be established in the cities of Sard, Opal, Peridot, Topaz, Amber, and Sapphire
- The amount of funding given to these centers will be decided upon by the Minister of Health

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