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Rand alPaul
Feb 3, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo

Whorelord posted:

better question: is there a term to describe someone's race that's funnier than "quadroon"?

Octoroon or Hexadecaroon. Also let's not forget mulatto.

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ur in my world now
Jun 5, 2006

Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was


Smellrose
octoroon is my favorite. sounds like a sea monster

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend
If we sent Blake Griffin back in time to 1800 in the South, would he be okay? Maybe if he wore hat?

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

the slow reveal to king george being every bit if not more uncomfortable with the situation as adams and sort-of-not-really defusing the situation with it lmfao

every scene in john adams is the greatest until the next scene in john adams its nuts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT0qNAYJQWU

Rand alPaul
Feb 3, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo

General Dog posted:

If we sent Blake Griffin back in time to 1800 in the South, would he be okay? Maybe if he wore hat?

Black father/white mother = white legally, but he'll have to fishhook the first guy who publicly calls him out for being 'tawny'.

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

Willie Tomg posted:

mary chestnut talks a lot about this, basically there wasn't, but there was this weird liminal space where feelings and treatment of mixed race folk got mixed up and hyopcritical and a lot of very awkward situations were tactically ignored in favor of keeping social calm and preserving the chattel system.


and of course mixed race escaped slaves worked that for all it was worth, because the thing about a stupidly racist system is if you pass, you pass



Passing is a classic novel on this subject.

Re: John Adams, I wanted to like it, but giamatti seems like he has really limited range I dunno i think he's overrated

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!
i like listening to the thomas jefferson hour, tuesdays on npr

tj owned despite his shortcomings

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

hamilton probably would have ended the republic had he won the 1800 presidential election. he didn't merely distrust democracy like most of the founding fathers, he hated it. plus he loved supporting finance and wall street

Rand alPaul
Feb 3, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo

Relin posted:


tj owned a bunch of his children and would beat them if they didn't meet their weekly nail quota

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

the founding fathers were all evil selfish assholes and i'm glad they're dead forever

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Willie Tomg posted:

mary chestnut talks a lot about this, basically there wasn't, but there was this weird liminal space where feelings and treatment of mixed race folk got mixed up and hyopcritical and a lot of very awkward situations were tactically ignored in favor of keeping social calm and preserving the chattel system.


and of course mixed race escaped slaves worked that for all it was worth, because the thing about a stupidly racist system is if you pass, you pass



i feel like half of these dudes knew their wife was loving around on them but didnt want to admit it(being cuckold by the "lesser races" and all that poo poo) either way, lol.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
the founding fathers probably wanted bestiality to be legal.

Les Os
Mar 29, 2010
the majority of my high school government class was spent viewing and discussing HBO's John Adams

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

i watched the john adams show back when it was on and i was less anti-prestige-tv. i liked it but i didnt finish it.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
G. Washington was a fumbling idiot who couldn't help but fail upwards. His decision to resign after two terms stems from him being a doddering old gently caress who just wanted to get back to whipping his slaves.

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

Frijolero posted:

G. Washington was a fumbling idiot who couldn't help but fail upwards. His decision to resign after two terms stems from him being a doddering old gently caress who just wanted to get back to whipping his slaves.

to his credit he was genuinely humiliated by his failures, and that his countrymen refused to see them was a source of tremendous pain to him

the american experiment's success can be owed to these three things, in order
1. the French Revolution wiping out our debts
2. George Washington's crippling awareness of his own mediocrity meaning he refused to stay god-king of America until he died
3. Jefferson and Hamilton being so busy fighting each other over whether the aristocracy or the executive should rule that an actual democracy snuck up behind them and beat their respective visions of the future to death

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Ze Pollack posted:

3. Jefferson and Hamilton being so busy fighting each other over whether the aristocracy or the executive should rule that an actual democracy snuck up behind them and beat their respective visions of the future to death
Must've been revived at some point, since modern day America is ruled by a massively powerful executive with a coterie of modern day aristocrats to run the day-to-day affairs of state.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese
Ben Franklin wrote a letter to a friend about how women age from the top down and all pussy is the same in the dark anyway. His top porn search result would definitely be MILFs.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
if you gently caress an eagle while strangling it to death you gain a permanent psychic link with the founding fathers and that's how you become a strict originalist

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Must've been revived at some point, since modern day America is ruled by a massively powerful executive with a coterie of modern day aristocrats to run the day-to-day affairs of state.

nah. we're still much more democratic than any of them would have wanted. the landed gentry do not permit a public vote as an amusement, following which the gentlemen of the electoral college confer as to who the actual president should be, before retiring to the country fiefdoms they rule over as kings. the executive does not wield absolute financial, legislative, and judicial power, and despite its dramatic expansion over the last forty years is still relatively limited.

it is possible for a huge loving idiot the whole of the political establishment despises to achieve political power in the united states by telling people what they want to hear.

and if you told any of the founding fathers that would be possible in the future, they'd have fallen over stone dead out of terror.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
The Founders

T.J. Henderson: A man of the people and a stern but gentle lover and slaveowner

Jeffrey Adams: Absolutely hated tyrants, but loved quashing peasant revolts

John Johnman: Loved nothing more than to kill Indians

Theodore Frankincense: An unrepentant lover of freedom, liberty, and small boys

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

Frijolero posted:

The Founders

T.J. Henderson: A man of the people and a stern but gentle lover and slaveowner

Jeffrey Adams: Absolutely hated tyrants, but loved quashing peasant revolts

John Johnman: Loved nothing more than to kill Indians

Theodore Frankincense: An unrepentant lover of freedom, liberty, and small boys

Thaddeus Porkleton: Brilliant advocate for the freedom of all peoples, believed germans were a type of fungus

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
William W. Williams: A virtuous man of great intellect, paid his servants with pithy philosophic musings

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Ze Pollack posted:

and despite its dramatic expansion over the last forty years is still relatively limited.
Compared to what?

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
the fondling fathers

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Compared to what?

Under most parliamentary systems, the Prime Minister is in effect an absolute dictator provided he or she can assemble a majority in the legislature(s). The UK doesn’t even have a constitution, which means 50%+1 gives you unlimited power to make and eliminate laws. Imagine the damage Trump could do if he could rewrite the constitution via a bill passed simple majority under threat of calling snap elections if it gets voted down.

Westminster-style democracies generally don’t turn into dictatorships because Prime Ministers are dependent on support from their own party, the Republican party is bugfuck insane and Congress would do whatever Trump told it to for fear of getting primaried.

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


Willie Tomg posted:

Franklin stands in amber, astride time--loving it.

another point in favor of hbo's john adams: you get to see franklin cuck the king of france whilst wearing an utterly personage-inappropriate coonskin cap. i mean come on. come on.

i am insanely sold on this show now

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

Being an American abroad was basically guaranteed trim/thick. A young vigorous people fresh onto the world stage. Then came 1812. loving Canada.

Significant Ant
Jun 14, 2017

by R. Guyovich
Thomas Paine ending up in a prison during the French Revolution is the most Thomas Paine thing that ever happened

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Must've been revived at some point, since modern day America is ruled by a massively powerful executive with a coterie of modern day aristocrats to run the day-to-day affairs of state.

Hamilton would have gotten a massive boner over the current oligarchy in America since he believed that aristocratic technocrats should run the country.

It's now wonder why Obama and similar centrist dems got so obsessed with the musical.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Hamilton is the worst of the Founders, which is loving saying something.


The class betraying poo poo-eater devised the whiskey excise tax which was essentially an income tax on the poor farmers who used it as a medium of exchange. It also taxed large distillers much less than small scale distillers (lol east coast neolibs love legislating in favor of large corporations)

It is the ultimate Lib loving thing and really set the precedent for all the crappy poo poo neolibs do today:
1) Not understanding working class people
2) Using bullshit moralism to tax something
3) Legislating to benefit the Eastern manufacturers and producers

Washington ended up creating his own distillery and made bank. And that in essence is the true nature of our great country.

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


Pennsylvania revolted over whiskey once and we shall again, inshallah.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

MikeCrotch posted:

Ben Franklin wrote a letter to a friend about how women age from the top down and all pussy is the same in the dark anyway. His top porn search result would definitely be MILFs.

lol

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

Frijolero posted:

Hamilton is the worst of the Founders, which is loving saying something.


The class betraying poo poo-eater devised the whiskey excise tax which was essentially an income tax on the poor farmers who used it as a medium of exchange. It also taxed large distillers much less than small scale distillers (lol east coast neolibs love legislating in favor of large corporations)

It is the ultimate Lib loving thing and really set the precedent for all the crappy poo poo neolibs do today:
1) Not understanding working class people
2) Using bullshit moralism to tax something
3) Legislating to benefit the Eastern manufacturers and producers

Washington ended up creating his own distillery and made bank. And that in essence is the true nature of our great country.

the musical ends with the line "who tells your story"
there is a reason nobody told hamilton's story
hamilton's story is "this man was an immense piece of poo poo whose sole positive contribution to the american experiment was making Thomas Jefferson mad"

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Ze Pollack posted:

the musical ends with the line "who tells your story"
there is a reason nobody told hamilton's story
hamilton's story is "this man was an immense piece of poo poo whose sole positive contribution to the american experiment was making Thomas Jefferson mad"

i mean that's a p good accomplishment tbh

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone


Started reading this lately, pretty interesting to see how FDR of all people used Jefferson as inspiration.

http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/1850

https://www.c-span.org/video/?325320-1/andrew-burstein-democracys-muse

quote:

FDR saw parallels between the Jefferson/Hamilton debate and the contemporary struggles between New Deal Democrats and Republicans. Democrats, like Jefferson, fought against private greed and corruption while Republicans, like Hamilton, supported banks and opposed regulations against monopolies and other government efforts to level the playing field.

Bonus: Hamilton's big ,full balls.

http://ploddingthroughthepresidents.blogspot.com/2017/11/john-adams-on-hamiltons-superabundance.html

Rand alPaul
Feb 3, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo

:lol: this is a fantastic find, thank you.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

no way reagan knew much about jefferson

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:


doctors were on some poo poo

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

mods namechange to hamilton's anal fistula

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