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Powaqoatse posted:also oh yeah, the argument I'm refuting is "dudes a great programmer but definitely a neckbeardy racist."
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tbh if the claim is hes a great programmer, whoever should prove that he is. extraordinary etc
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Are you guys saying that "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" is not worth reading? They recommended it at one point in undergrad, forgot which class and what context.
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Maximo Roboto posted:Are you guys saying that "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" is not worth reading? They recommended it at one point in undergrad, forgot which class and what context. not mine, op instead we each read one chapter of code complete and presented to the class also like one chapter of mythical man month but everyone got hung up on how old all the practices were
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Maximo Roboto posted:Are you guys saying that "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" is not worth reading? They recommended it at one point in undergrad, forgot which class and what context. there are some good ideas in there but you can get them from the wikipedia article and avoid buying the book easy
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on the other hand, the idiotic many eyeballs => fewer bugs maxim has damaged open sores ever since
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Maximo Roboto posted:Are you guys saying that "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" is not worth reading? They recommended it at one point in undergrad, forgot which class and what context. idk if this is sincere, no shade to you. writing is the only thing he has going for him and he’s a part of the culture for better or worse. read it if you want but don’t expect insights and don’t pay for it. many stem profs will slip artefacts of nerd culture into their lectures, do you also think dilbert or xkcd are worthwhile by that metric?
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Maximo Roboto posted:Are you guys saying that "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" is not worth reading? They recommended it at one point in undergrad, forgot which class and what context. Slashdot U
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Toady posted:Slashdot U - the post 9/11 internet, taught by professor jon katz - letters to the editor 101: you insensitive clod - no programming or computer classes lol
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OldAlias posted:idk if this is sincere, no shade to you. writing is the only thing he has going for him and he’s a part of the culture for better or worse. read it if you want but don’t expect insights and don’t pay for it. many stem profs will slip artefacts of nerd culture into their lectures, do you also think dilbert or xkcd are worthwhile by that metric? dilbert and xkcd suck rear end and so does esr hth
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randall munroe is a deece human being though
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xkcd is retroactively acceptable and in fact necessary because without it goatkcd could not exist
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as always, the only people more insufferable than the fans of <nerd thing> are all the tiresome edgelords complaining that anyone could possibly like <nerd thing>
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im a big fat antifan of rjmccall lol
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rjmccall posted:as always, the only people more insufferable than the fans of <nerd thing> are all the tiresome edgelords complaining that anyone could possibly like <nerd thing> not remotely unique to nerds. i think anti-fans of tween girl music have to be the worst. i guess they at least mostly have the excuse of being teenagers themselves rather than people who should have outgrown that behavior 10 years ago?
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imo carboys are the worst, they've had several cars thru their life and researched them and they still think their lovely car is the best
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Plorkyeran posted:not remotely unique to nerds. i think anti-fans of tween girl music have to be the worst. i guess they at least mostly have the excuse of being teenagers themselves rather than people who should have outgrown that behavior 10 years ago? i love youtube music comments, it's like a window back into a world i'd forgotten about, in which apparently all of rihanna's songs suck right up until they're covered by a white woman (sia fans get some slack for this obv)
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rjmccall posted:as always, the only people more insufferable than the fans of <nerd thing> are all the tiresome edgelords complaining that anyone could possibly like <nerd thing> my most recent memory of Slashdot is seeing a pro-pedophilia comment voted +5 Informative
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Toady posted:my most recent memory of Slashdot is seeing a pro-pedophilia comment voted +5 Informative look we're cybernauts of the mindscape man, no horizon of thought is forbidden to us
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Toady posted:my most recent memory of Slashdot is seeing a pro-pedophilia comment voted +5 Informative same but kuro5hin. that poster was in every article and was never banned despite repeated complaints.
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Maximo Roboto posted:Are you guys saying that "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" is not worth reading? They recommended it at one point in undergrad, forgot which class and what context. it's a polemic with no actual evidence or substantiation of his arguments i really hate this loving essay, it's just so wrong about the basics
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Powaqoatse posted:all of them, he hasnt programmed anything at all ever i dont think he's made some good contributions to emacs which is kinda funny when you think about it. man who doesn't program contributes to programmer's editor.
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fritz posted:from a previous esr thread http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907 jesus christ it's only a "honey trap" if you actually do something stupid/disgusting and fall into it. try not being a creep and then no one can blackmail you for being a creep?
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:same but kuro5hin. that poster was in every article and was never banned despite repeated complaints. oh man kuro5hin whatever happened to that place also why was kuro5hin?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:jesus christ no but see once you’ve been alone with them it’s only your word against theirs and nobody listens to the heterosexual white man!
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eschaton posted:oh man kuro5hin yeah, it was a super-weird community, and despite reading it now and then back in those days i don't think i ever figured out what the common theme was (beyond a lot in common with slashdot of course)
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esr is a deformed racist goblin with a club foot and a face that looks like someone left a novelty candle too near a radiator
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eschaton posted:whatever happened to that place istr the original maintainer got bored after it stopped being a money fountain, and unloaded it cheap eschaton posted:also why was kuro5hin? before off-the-shelf blog packages like wordpress, only super nerds could build a website with dynamic comments hence directionless group blogs like k5 and /. they never had a clearly defined reason to exist. their founders were just self-absorbed turbo-nerds.
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Sweevo posted:esr is a deformed racist goblin with a club foot and a face that looks like someone left a novelty candle too near a radiator in heaven... everything is fine
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:before off-the-shelf blog packages like wordpress, only super nerds could build a website with dynamic comments this is a very flawed explanation though, as there is certainly a deeper social dynamic that is quite interesting going on there. sure, the reason people comment, and comment a lot in a few places, is because there were a few places for people to comment, but one can still take interest in what the communities looked like and what is says about human nature such as learning that nerds are terrible, but as that is an already internalized fact in yospos perhaps there is more to dig into beyond that
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Maximo Roboto posted:Are you guys saying that "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" is not worth reading? They recommended it at one point in undergrad, forgot which class and what context. TCATB is widely read because Tim O'Reilly promoted it. Most of its "insights" are unoriginal or mundane and it presents a rose-tinted image of Linux in the mid-90s that badly downplays its reliance on pre-existing software.
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Oh hey, what's this thread..?big scary monsters posted:shocked to find out that free software's greatest champion uses copy protection
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rjmccall posted:i love youtube music comments, it's like a window back into a world i'd forgotten about, in which apparently all of rihanna's songs suck right up until they're covered by a white woman (sia fans get some slack for this obv) and cathedral and the bazaar is worth reading only because of its 1) minor historical significance and 2) as an exercise in picking apart everything in it that is provably wrong
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:this is a very flawed explanation though, as there is certainly a deeper social dynamic that is quite interesting going on there. sure, the reason people comment, and comment a lot in a few places, is because there were a few places for people to comment, but one can still take interest in what the communities looked like and what is says about human nature well yes communities formed around the group blogs and the whole thing stumbles forward but the question asked is why they existed. and the reason is really very dull: communities formed around turbo-nerds' home-rolled weblog software because off-the-shelf blog packages didn't exist yet.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:well yes communities formed around the group blogs and the whole thing stumbles forward also I think Slashdot specifically kicked off something (even if they weren’t the first), they tried to be an aggregator for a whole area of nerd culture, not just one or another aspect of it what baffles me is that other things…just tried to do the same thing? like, what was kuro5hin’s differentiator, that it wasn’t run by CmdrTaco? still can’t believe we had both CmdrTaco and ESR as keynote speakers at MacHack
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eschaton posted:also I think Slashdot specifically kicked off something (even if they weren’t the first), they tried to be an aggregator for a whole area of nerd culture, not just one or another aspect of it that’s enough of a reason tbh, those sites had very different vibes and I don’t remember slashdot ever being funny
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eschaton posted:what baffles me is that other things…just tried to do the same thing? like, what was kuro5hin’s differentiator, that it wasn’t run by CmdrTaco? yep. slashdot was an extension of cmdrtaco's pre-existing irc knitting circle (as was everything2.com), and the site reflected his interests kuro5hin was dominated by rusty's interests. different turbo-nerd forms different community.
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rust, tho is anybody shipping any rust code other than mozilla??? *asking for a friend*
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