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DeimosRising posted:Klay, Butler, McCollum, DeMar, Gordon, Beal, Jimmy among guys who can’t play the point.Harden Curry Lillard Westbrook Walker Paul Irving Simmons Lowry Conley among guys who can. At least a dozen other guys in approximately the same tier as him otherwise. Zogo hit us with the NP numbers for guards please (which will overrate him since scoring is his one current high level skill). He’s cool and on a pure basketball level I wish Orlando had taken him when they had a chance but come the gently caress on Top/bottom 15 Gs: code:Worst team in the whole league and those two are dressed like dumb and dumber.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:The Sun's were the first team in 30 years to not have an offensive rebound last night. What happened with all those big they drafted? Spurs had zero fifteen years ago: https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200201230UTA.html OzFactor posted:Engaging Zogo: can we get a comparison of Lebron's 2016 Finals to, like, any other Finals performance? I don't know how to isolate it to Finals, but by just playoffs, game 6 was the 20th highest gamescore, and just looking at the dates, the second-highest in June (and the first was Barkley game 7 of the Western Finals in 1993). 2016 LBJ had the highest total finals GmSc since at least 1974: code:R.D. Mangles posted:EXTREMELY SAME Kay Felder, Nate Robinson, Kirk Hinrich. Three guard lineup.
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In order to ensure #30 ranking the Bulls must release RoLo and sign Anthony Bennett.Cool Buff Man posted:Taken in isolation and compared to past seasons, no, those numbers don't jump out as outrageous, but I think the point was that the league in general is shifting towards giving their starters more rest and Thibs is resolutely not going down that road While they're both active Thibodeau must get a season with LBJ and play him 45MPG. WhyteRyce posted:It's weird because Hield has been garbage for like half the season Buddy Hield has the best NP season in NCAA history. Even better than Oscar Robertson and KAJ. Paul Zuvella posted:Theoretical situation here. Yes, very likely the first or second best at some points in the last six years and a few years into the future.
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predicto posted:That stat means a lot less when you already have done it three times in a row and are just looking at the 4th season. A team reaching the finals is not a static coin flip/die proposition that can have fixed probabilities from year to year. If Jordan, Pippen, Rodman returned to the 1999, 2000, 2001 Bulls I doubt anyone believes they'd keep winning titles indefinitely. The players are still human and outside the bounds of hermetical math. IF that weren't the case the basic scenario would be a 1 in 15 shot for a team to reach the finals. Everyone knows that's not the actuality. It's more like 2-3 teams in each conference are the massive favorites but only a deity could give perfectly accurate probabilities on each scenario in a given year and therein lies the problem. Although GSW does have the advantage of adding KD to the mix just last year which was an atypically huge acquisition for a team that'd just gone to two straight finals. When talking about teams from year to year you must remember the Ship of Theseus! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus PS You are correct about HOU as CLE has trash defense and SAS needs Kawhi to return as a superhero. euphronius posted:https://twitter.com/tommoorephilly/status/938933772875124738 "We anticipate the end is near" should be the line all returning players get. Especially Rose.
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Ghost Dog posted:heh sorry yall for being pedantic and uhh correcting you but *massively misunderstands the gamblers fallacy* If we pretended going to the finals was a 1 in 15 deal each year that'd mean LBJ going seven straight years was a 1 in 170,859,375 event. Almost like LBJ winning the Powerball. LBJ doing eight straight finals would be 1 in 2,562,890,625 Almost like LBJ meeting Bigfoot at his house but being struck by lightning before he can post about it on Twitter. EvanTH posted:Carmelo "Not The Problem" Anthony with 11 pts, 5-20 from the field lol 5-20 is okay if they are five 4-point plays.  Intruder posted:Jesus christ, Harden. He even has a positive DPS! Capela currently is #1 in both ORtg and DRtg.
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Intruder posted:Trade Ibaka instead of Harden? Yea, he was already the third best scorer in the league in 2012 (the last year he was on OKC). Also, #4 in WS/48 that year. He's been a top 3 scorer in each of the last five years on HOU as well. He was already elite but because he was coming off the bench many wrote it off as "garbage time" success. If he continued coming off the bench on OKC he would've become even more powerful going against second units and been like McHale or Manu on championship teams. Maybe even the greatest bench player. EvanTH posted:does the "his" in that sentence mean LBJ or Bigfoot because it doesn't seem too far-fetched to meet bigfoot at bigfoot's house, and if I'm remembering the sasquatch commercials correctly Karl Anthony Towns appeared to be larger than the guy in the sasquatch costume which means a basketball player at bigfoot's house might have a decent chance of being the tallest thing around if there's a lightning storm ... I was picturing a large adult North American Bigfoot appearing in Akron. The odds are actually worse seeing as how everyone has a smartphone these days and still nobody can get one on camera.
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Michael Jordan's daughter Jasmine debuts Air Jordan 'Heiress' sneakers https://sports.yahoo.com/michael-jordans-daughter-jasmine-debuts-air-jordan-heiress-sneakers-theyre-awesome-173947774.html Here are most of the results from the 141 voters in the latest preseason poll: code:Zogo fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Dec 10, 2017 |
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Harden vs. RW vs. Durant yesterday made me check back. Reading through posts right after the Harden trade is interesting. So many golden quotes: "Wow. It's not often you see a team trade their second best player before the season even starts. With the future first round picks it's not a bad haul for the Thunder but it's hugely risky. They probably could have got decent value for Harden even after this season." "Haha Westbrook is better than Harden." "While OKC is at it they should move Westbrook. Overrated douche, questionable defense, can't really run an offense, and actually not that efficient of a scorer."  "At least this season will settle Harden vs Westbrook." "Holy poo poo this trade is an absolute steal for the Thunder. James Harden will be exposed if he starts for the Rockets." "Harden is very overrated. Assuming Houston's gonna expect him to be the main focus of their offense his efficiency's gonna crater." "A lot of people though Harden was better than Westbrook even when they played together." "Those people were retarded then, too." "Luckily we have archives so incorrect opinions can be immortalized forever." That's just a sampling from 2012. BWV posted:out the two people who said the Bulls would make the playoffs It was actually only one. When I was first testing the form I entered them as a joke and that result was accidentally left in that list. I fixed it. Algund Eenboom took the brave position that the 2018 Bulls were making it. Carlosologist posted:Please doxx the individuals who said Joel Embiid was overrated misdirectomy Chairchucker Brolander Jack's Flow Mr. Mambold scuz are skeptical that Embiid is Wilt reincarnated.
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Metapod posted:...why does this come up every month It's hard to overstate how pivotal a moment it is in US sports history. The Thunder having those three guys with that talent at that age and having so many options as to what to do with them is unprecedented in the league. No team in NBA/ABA history has had two college aged guys with a dual WS/48 of .23+ (2012 KD and Harden) in the same season. Seismic ramifications come out of that 2012 decision. BBR currently says that the RW/KD/Harden trio has a 91% chance of making the HOF.* This likelihood will go up in the coming years and this discussion will probably as well as their careers are constantly being reevaluated. *Compare that to the Deng/Rose/Noah trio which has something close to a 1 in 187,341 shot of making it into the HOF. Cool Buff Man posted:Sam Amick thinks Lebron might join the Rockets Would be a good destination for ring #4 if he's not going with plan A:  El Gallinero Gros posted:I know there's pretty much zero chance of him doing it, but it'd be interesting to see someone like James decide to go somewhere off the beaten path, like Milwaukee or Denver or something. If LBJ stays in the east it would good if he went to the Hawks and took them to their first finals since 1961. Dr.Radical posted:A time honored NBA thread tradition. People are actually admitting they’re wrong on this one, though. LeBron going back to Cleveland was a classic moment of everyone being wrong and refusing to say “Hm. Maybe I actually don’t know poo poo about the inner workings of the NBA?” LBJ just did that to spite the omniscient prognosticators at SAS. 
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Intruder posted:Each or as a trio? Each individually at some point in the future.
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R.D. Mangles posted:hahahaha bulls undefeated since niko came back The Bulls and Rockets are 18-0 when CP3 and Niko play. Adjusted for a full season that's 164-0. Redgrendel2001 posted:Hey Whyterice were you in San Francisco recently? Only a matter of time before those are weaponized. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPKG3WMkMxQ&t=18s The Duggler posted:The all Star game kinda sucks since players stopped even pretending to compete to win The ASG just needs a modicum of D. A tiny morsel of D. Even late April D would be plenty. Last year Curry was lying on his stomach and letting players dunk on him. El Gallinero Gros posted:I feel like Embiid could win an MVP at some point but it's Harden's to lose for the forseeable future. He's cut back on his turnovers a fair bit (down to 4.4 from 5.7 PG) and his other numbers were pretty gaudy as is LBJ and Harden are basically tied in WS right now. LBJ being in the MVP race is impressive as he's older than 93% of the league at this point.
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It's official. LBJ has passed Karl Malone and is now #3 in NBA/ABA regular season/playoff WS:code:MOVIE MAJICK posted:Yeah I too want to see the dominant defensive scheme become find the under 60% FT shooter fastest and foul them Dwight Howard leading a team to a negative point total would be interesting. MOVIE MAJICK posted:https://streamable.com/7setx https://twitter.com/its_whitney/status/941514638780485632/ Away all Goats posted:Hmmm I'm starting to come around to the idea that the Rockets might actually win a series against the Warriors. If Curry's hair grows longer. If KD gets scared in the playoffs. If HOU has HCA. Throw in some ref magic. HOU could go all the way.
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G-Hawk posted:The other team with an insane TS%? The Warriors. Both the Rockets and Warriors are above 60% TS as a team, which (correct me if I'm wrong here, I had a hard time finding this stat pre 2000) no team has ever done. Yea, 2016 and 2017 GSW are the only teams with a TS% above 59%. They also have the two highest NP totals ever (surpassing the 1985 Lakers). In that game against IND: Steven Adams 11for16 RW/PG-13/Carmelo 10for45 Strawberry Panda posted:Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler have the same number of championships. Redgrendel2001 posted:I'm not really sure Yahoo/YouTube comments "age". In some respects they do. The spirit of a lot of online commenting has been recurring all the way back to the early 1980s. It's just that a lot of actual quotations become more erroneous and absurd as time goes on. Predictions concerning many topics from 15-20+ years back might've seen outlandish to many at the time...now they're literal impossibilities. Just a few years back someone could say Deron Williams > CP3 and make a case. If someone said that now it'd be highly anachronistic and aged.
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Top/bottom 10 of NP:code:The rare 26/17/6 game: code:Steven Adams has more OWS than PG-13 + Carmelo + RW. EvanTH posted:there's 7 billion people in the world. I just rounded down six hundred million people. That's too many who should I even care about? If I tried to say six hundred illion people's names I'd die before I'd finished. I need media to focus me on the important stuff like Lavar Ball Everyday ~160,000 people die. Don't forget to send flowers.
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Lockback posted:Flat +/- is a bad stat. In Net Points he is slightly behind Taj Gibson and slightly above Demarr DeRozan. I don't know offhand how to find a list of on-off but I'm guessing there's tons of noise in that too. +/- usually has a mixture of elite players near the top and then some okay players on good teams. And then some okay/bad players on bad teams near the bottom: code:misdirectomy posted:Any conference finals permutation that isn't GSW/HOU and BOS/CLE will be a surprise, to me That was the most popular scenario in the preseason poll. The SAS hivemind has given this a 1 in 7 shot of happening.
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Carlosologist posted:hair theory is real, I cut my hair and my jumper improved! my friend went from twists to cornrows and his jumper improved as well LBJ ditched the headband, embraced thinning hair and now may have his best scoring season ever. Kibner posted:Interesting, though inconsequential : I checked correlations of that 3P Open Rate across many different stats. The only one that showed anything was ORB and ORB%. .37 and .35 which possibly suggests that offensive rebounds may lead to more open shots or open 3P shots lead to more ORBs or maybe both or maybe neither.
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https://twitter.com/nbastats/status/940464252808294401 https://twitter.com/nbastats/status/934296168183599104 https://twitter.com/nbastats/status/926678936641310720 These are good but it would be good if they also did a few for bad stat games. Like C.J. McCollum 36 minutes, 1for14 shooting with a colorful design.
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HOU and CHI are 21-0 when CP3 and Niko suit up.Kibner posted:lol that quote fails to include this: "And I want to do it here." He means in the USA rather than Lithuania. Paul Zuvella posted:Lebron James is shooting a career high 57% from the field as a 33 year old. It's a shame he's stuck on this Cavaliers team with trash D. Carlosologist posted:am I the only person who is scared shitless by LeBron rounding out his game at age 33? it's fully placed me in the camp of he slows down when he slows down, no point in trying to project when LBJ has stated that he wants to have an 80%+ FT% season before he's done. He should look into doing the underhand FTs.
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Fast Luck posted:Greatest Non Center of All Time? Yes. Also, the GFOAT. If that holds it'll be extraordinary. No team has done something like that ever before. Cool Buff Man posted:I'd say those of us on Team Wiggins Stinks are having a justified year Last year many were raging at that 538 site for criticizing him. 538 may end up right. He's still young so I will give him another eight years. By then he will be thirty and have half a billion dollars or so.
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Another LBJ milestone. LBJ passes Barkley on regular season NP list:code:code:Nasty foods. EvanTH posted:by the way if we're tabulating out the things we've been right and wrong about so far Nick Young has been pretty bad on the Warriors and anyone who tells you he plays defense now is lying On a per 48 minute basis he is putting up his best shooting numbers from any of his seasons
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If Thibodeau was around in the 1960s and had Wilt, Oscar, LBJ, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor at his disposal. That's five players playing 240 minutes per game. No bench required.Rick posted:The Heat had decent enough off the ball players their first year and lost because they ran into a team that the numbers show was one of history's most statistically lucky finals winners ever. Statistically lucky in what way? Carlosologist posted:tbh I have no idea why C-Webb and Ben Wallace weren't inducted last year. does the basketball Hall of Fame have a limit on elected players per class? Voters have rarely cared about defensive players. And I doubt many voters think Webber was MVP level. His career numbers aren't that strong to be an instant HOF entree. The HOF voting process is secretive and classified. The BOG refuses to divulge their voting practices.
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Who are you hanging with Zogo? I read about those toilets. The Glumslinger posted:The game was so much more congested and clogged back then that everyone was less efficient. Like, hand checking completely killed motion offenses for almost 15 years, and coaches were afraid to spread the floor, and when they did the shooters were much worse. Like shooters were so much worse at 3point shooting, they brought in the 3 point line by almost 2 feet. It's true that the top scorers weren't as elite. From 1995-2004 the guy with the best scoring season was 2004 Peja Stojakovic. Not many remember 2006 Gilbert Arenas having the best scoring from that year either.
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Bashez posted:Is there anyone still favoring Harden over Lebron for early season MVP? Paul Pierce did a few days ago. Tae posted:Barkley is so deathly afraid of his legacy being left behind, it's kinda embarrassing. Webber does this to a lesser extent. Still not on the level of Tracy McGrady (un)fortunately?? Barkley's legacy as the worst 3P shooter of all-time is probably safe. Time posted:James Harden scores 51 points on extremely efficient shooting two games in a row in a losing effort both times. Lol First player to do consecutive 50+ point games and lose both since Wilt in March of 1963.
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Jesus Rocket posted:Who the hell wants to listen to a full game with announcers continuously describing what you're watching as horrible, how it's not the right type of basketball, how everyone is making the wrong play, how the whole league except three teams don't even know what a basketball is, etc. There's a lot of denial and confusion from some older players still going around. Even bad teams today are filled with players who can shoot pretty well from all over the court. leftist heap posted:what would it take for LeBron to win another MVP? Average a triple double? 74 wins? 50/40/90 season? A James Harden injury/vacation. Mr. Mambold posted:Westbrook needs to up his celebration game I've watched many, many streamables but this is the first time I've seen: "Oops! This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by the content owner." The copyright police are on the move. Ghost Dog posted:deebo is apparently a childhood nickname but it doesnt really fit the constantly bullied untalented...kobe cosplaying...idiot from the raptors 
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Noctone posted:El Boner Jams Ghost Dog posted:lebron should change his name and ball in disguise so hes allowed to win awards again Some anagrammatic pseudonyms LBJ could try on for size: LoJamb Sneer Mrs Banjo Eel Mr Lee Banjos RealMen Jobs BroJean Elms RemSlob Jean MeLearn Jobs JobMen Laser JamRebel Son JarBe Melons JarBe Lemons JarBe Solemn LobJar Semen JarsBe Lemon JarsBe Melon LamJob Sneer LamSnob Jeer Spacebump posted:Is Paul George a superstar or all star? I'm going with all star. A dying brown dwarf star. Lockback posted:I haven't posted much about them because I figured a lot of people dismiss them, but they are playing really well this year so far. What is heartening is its not just because Lowry is going insane and they'll crash when he comes to earth, they are getting production from a lot of different guys and both offense and defense look like everyone is actually on the same page. It'll be another embarrassment if CLE once again goes to the finals past them.
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Spacebump posted:...who is the worst coach that is better than Brooks that could have possibly led OKC to a title? There are a ton of coaches who could've possibly led them to a title a few of those years. cisneros posted:They were lucky to get past the Lakers. The Lakers were good enough to win that year although the compounding minutes and the difficulty of going to four straight finals seems like the prime factor in their elimination. The Mavericks were a full-fledged contender that year. EvanTH posted:I like 'em all except Shaq but hearing people fundamentally not recognize that a 3pt make is worth 3/2 as much as a 2pt make gets kinda grating after the first decade or two. Well, those are slow steps in the right direction at least. In 2030 or 2040 most will recognize the 3P shot value but will deny the 4P shot value. Stephen Curry/LBJ: "Teams are taking too many 4P shots. They lack the fundamentals." Lockback posted:If "losing to Lebron in the playoffs" is an embarrassment, then basically most of the league is embarrassed. I don't think Lebron has declined past the point where I'd be surprised by his team beating any other team. That's true in some respects as each successive year the league should be more embarrassed (as LBJ nears a straight decade of finals appearances) but this CLE team is looking weaker and more defective than any team he's been on in a long time. Very low SRS and an awful D for a team many think could win a title. The Raptors are better than most. 2004, 2005 and 2008 CLE all seem worse though. My favorite photo of this early season: 
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DMC has reached a milestone. Most TRB with zero playoff minutes:code:El Gallinero Gros posted:Cleveland looks less than stellar right now but isn't Thomas returning soon? Yea, it should help in some ways. Although for title aspirations it may be too little and too late as IT will need time to acclimate to the new team and he's not a 100% guarantee of course. Also, CLEs main issue is defense and IT is not going to help in that area. He could be a detriment.
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BBR has quietly been adding various stats into game logs from the 1960s and 1970s. This game from 56 years back had Elgin Baylor take 55 FGAs and 24 FTAs and Wilt thought that was economical as he took 62 FGAs and 31 FTAs: https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196112080PHW.html And a few months back Embiid had that 46/15/7/7 game and I found a few more Wilt games with 46/15/7 at least (no blocks recorded). code:
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Lockback posted:I like Gola's stat line of 6/15/14 on 2/15 shooting. Can Lonzo Ball reach these heights? I think the answer is yes. When one looks at Wilt's teammates numbers one can begin to understand his mindset: 6for23 4for17 2for9 2for15 Wilt: "I'm going to need to score 60+ tonight if we want a chance to win." Cool Buff Man posted:Celtics have been struggling a lil' bit recently and have caught the injury bug but Jayson Tatum remains the most consistent player on the team and he's even doing some new stuff like this He could end up with the greatest teenage NBA season ever: code:
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As more games on BBR now have FGA and FTA data I searched the pre-3P era games where players scored 40-59 points (all 60+ point games already had FGA and FTA data). The elite games:code:code:Shrimp or Shrimps posted:I really think Bobby should punch Cameron in his face. It would be good if the Bulls all had Bishop's superpower. Cool Buff Man posted:Well, that proves it. Only Boston is racist. Maybe Boston can shape up and become a racial Utopia like Milwaukee This comes up every few months. Perhaps only a pertinent albeit controversial poll question can solve it. SamuraiFoochs posted:I don't give a gently caress who is missing. This four game stretch is pathetic and they are hosed if this is how they handle adversity. You are correct to be concerned. Rockets D has turned to trash in the last few weeks. 40% through the season now and their D FG% is 46.6% while the league average is 45.8%. Their title aspirations are slowly going up in flames if they don't turn it around ASAP.
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LBJ recently turned 33. He is using wine to stave off aging: https://twitter.com/NBCSKings/status/946207128120729600 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CIRq5QG0bU Charlz Guybon posted:Does it matter if OKC gets the 4th seed or not? Not much. The fourth seed is a bad place to be as you have a very tough road to the finals and you usually have a 0% chance at the lottery. Salvor_Hardin posted:Happy new years y'all. I'm curious, has anyone ever had a W/L% as high as the Celtics with as low of a net +/-? They seem to be winning an unreasonable number of games by narrow margins No, so I'd expect BOS to lose more games and have their NRtg decrease: code:
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