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huh I didn't know that. I suppose that's the literary equivalent of george lucas adding in special effects to update his movies. Someone thought "you know what this needs? a lovely lot of alliteration". regardless its a blast to read aloud, middle english feels like this weird welsh/german amalgamation e: and when I say feels I mean the way the words form in your mouth mbt fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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I just read through the facing page Armitage version, and I'd definitely say it is worth it to at least skim through the untranslated side on each page. Some of the translation seems pretty different from what was intended. Mentally picturing a manly knight saying "fiddlesticks" is pretty funny though.
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The green knight was just loving with him
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Shibawanko posted:The green knight was just loving with him Arthur would have totally hosed Greenwife and gotten his headchopped for it
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:Arthur would have totally hosed Greenwife and gotten his headchopped for it King Arthur and the Green Cuck Like, that's almost not even a joke, the whole "ok I'm gonna go hunting, you stay here with my hot wife, when I get back let's make out" thing is just bizarre And I doubt contemporary audiences would have missed that either: I could be wrong but I suspect that was not an era for casually leaving women alone with strange men
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quote:Fro şe swyre to şe swange so sware and so şik, Thikk. Middle English. Who knew Does anyone have a link to a good ME dictionary? The one thing I'm finding confusing is all the different words for man and knight—I mean I'm assuming the choice of different words were mainly for alliteration, but I don't know if there's differences in connotations for each choice as well and would like to find out.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:King Arthur and the Green Cuck Maybe the green knight is actually gay and was hoping that Gawain had actually slept with his wife so that he could get some saintly knight action when he came back from hunting? Another thought, is if that is the reason why Gawain DIDN'T sleep with greenwife, because he would have had to do the same with green dude. Gawain seems like the kind of dude that tries pretty hard not to break agreements...
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Stuporstar posted:Thikk. Middle English. Who knew https://quod.lib.umich.edu/m/med/lookup.html Make sure you have headword and forms selected on the left of the search bar, and make sure to use as many of those wildcard characters because they have weird conventions for ordering the stuff
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the middle english dictionary infamously blows. use wiktionary. i'm not kidding. i'm a medievalist phd student and the only time i ever use the MED is when i need to cite it.Hieronymous Alloy posted:Like, that's almost not even a joke, the whole "ok I'm gonna go hunting, you stay here with my hot wife, when I get back let's make out" thing is just bizarre leaving a strange dude at home with your wife (leading to sexual tension) while you and your retinue go out to hunt/tourney is actually a minor trope in medieval lit. id have to look through my comps notes to list all the works in which it crops but its the inciting incident in the stanzaic morte arthur, where arthur leaves lancelot and guinevere alone together while he goes off to joust. the SMA is, helpfully] [url=http://d.lib.rochester.edu/teams/text/benson-and-foster-king-arthurs-death-stanzaic-morte-arthur-part-i=available on the rochester METS website[/url]. it's not as good as the alliterative morte arthure, though, which owns (but which, unfortunately, i wrote my master's thesis on and therefore never, ever want to read again) youre missing the real joke, though. its not "ok I'm gonna go hunting, you stay here with my hot wife, when I get back let's make out". its that if gawain hosed his host's wife then, by the terms of their agreement, he'd have to gently caress bertilak. chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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Worth considering that a huge, huge part of Gawain's character is that he fucks near-constantly, while also being extremely gracious to women (there's a couple of variants on this - he either accidentally gets a woman killed or is under oath to be nice to ladies), which all plays into the text's deconstruction of his nature, and the uncanny understanding that the castle's inhabitants have of the same. There's a lovely bit in Malory where some knight is in hopeless love with this maiden, who keeps having him beaten up by her men. Gawain offers to help him out, takes his armour to pretend he's killed the knight, says he'll start changing her mind about the guy. He gets to her castle and pretty much immediately gives up on the idea, spends the next week in bed with her. the chad gawain/ the virgin kay
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chernobyl kinsman posted:youre missing the real joke, though. its not "ok I'm gonna go hunting, you stay here with my hot wife, when I get back let's make out". its that if gawain hosed his host's wife then, by the terms of their agreement, he'd have to gently caress bertilak. Sure, but the thing to wonder is if Bertilak knew that was going to be a distinct possibility since Gawain is super famous and that VileLL posted:a huge, huge part of Gawain's character is that he fucks near-constantly, It is also implied that this isn't the first time that the green knight has done this to someone right? What I'm saying is that Bertilak wants some knight action real bad around christmas time. "Whoa-ho, haha, you did my wife but you better live up to that agreement as a "joke" haha isn't this so funny"
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Hope everyone is still enjoying this but it's time to start gathering suggestions for next month!
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finished it in both modern english and a reread in middle english. Amazing story, a+ pick all around. I can't help but me sad when thinking of how much other literature has been lost to time. Thanks to the rich dude who preserved this for centuries. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hope everyone is still enjoying this but it's time to start gathering suggestions for next month! confederacy of dunces? I'm mostly suggesting that because it's next on my list 
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du maurier's rebeccaMeyers-Briggs Testicle posted:I can't help but me sad when thinking of how much other literature has been lost to time time, and also the cotton library fire hmu if you want more medieval lit. if you can read & enjoy SGGK in its middle english you can read anything. chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Dec 21, 2017 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hope everyone is still enjoying this but it's time to start gathering suggestions for next month! Investigations of a dog by kafka
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I think I'll just throw this one out there every time, As I Lay Dying, by William Faulkner.
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chernobyl kinsman posted:du maurier's rebecca Because of the new PT Anderson flick?
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I love Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, and I love Better Myths, but the only Better Myths story I didn't like much was Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. Apparently it was based on Arthur Rex by Thomas Berger, which I hadn't heard of until now.chernobyl kinsman posted:leaving a strange dude at home with your wife (leading to sexual tension) while you and your retinue go out to hunt/tourney is actually a minor trope in medieval lit. Would the beginning of the first branch of the Mabinogi count?
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Fedelm posted:. absolutely
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There's a genuinely brilliant but little-known modernization of the Mabinogion written by Evangeline Walton that deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. https://www.amazon.com/Mabinogion-Tetralogy-Evangeline-Walton/dp/1585675040
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hope everyone is still enjoying this but it's time to start gathering suggestions for next month! Chapel Road by LP Boon!
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hope everyone is still enjoying this but it's time to start gathering suggestions for next month! The Man with the Compound Eyes by Wu Ming-Yi. I'll add more when I get home.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hope everyone is still enjoying this but it's time to start gathering suggestions for next month! Njal's Saga!
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ovenboy posted:Njal's Saga! That’s a good and quite readable one.
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Groke posted:That’s a good and quite readable one. I haven't read it in English, so I might just do that. Do you have a preferred translation?
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Sorry, have only read it in modern Norwegian.
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the penguin classics translation is fine. even the wordsworth classics one is ok. grettirs saga is better tho
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chernobyl kinsman posted:the penguin classics translation is fine. even the wordsworth classics one is ok. Grettir's owns too, but it probably was a decade ago that I read it, don't remember much. He got ptsd from fighting a ghoul though, I think?
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These are all good suggestions (I think I've actually pushed Njal's Saga in a poll before now, it didn't get chosen) but I'm a little leery of going Double Ancient Text two months in a row -- it'd probably be good for the next book to be something written in the past century or so. It's also a big help if people give me a sentence or two explaining why their pick is a good idea because while I've read almost everything that's a free english-language kindle download I haven't read everything else and a little background helps me sell your pick to everyone else.
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As I Lay dying is a novella by Faulkner, so it delivers all the prose and pathos that makes him one of the great American writers, and the master of Southern Gothic, in a manageable package that won't have us racing to beat the calendar.
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Investigations of a Dog is good, it's about a dog, and it's funny.
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It'll be Njal's Saga for January; starting the new with the old.
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https://twitter.com/WarrenIsDead/status/377186543720349696 i dont know how to embed a tweet
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chernobyl kinsman posted:https://twitter.com/WarrenIsDead/status/377186543720349696 Can you honestly call it a feast unless a head or two gets knocked off?
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"Ah, that was exactly the kind of entertainment I needed before I could eat, because I made myself a dumb rule about not eating until I had been adequately entertained. Oh, but too bad about your future decapitated, nephew. Have some wine, or beer, or both!"
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Arthur's not wrong Plus he's got a bad track record with the nephews anyway
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