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cis autodrag posted:Worse than that, not all strains of leftism are compatible with queer identities. There's plenty of tankies and strict Marxists out there who see being gay or trans as a silly diversion of the unoccupied bourgeoisie mind. commies are the litterral worst
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Shaggar posted:commies are the litterral worst I mean, I'm a commie, but more of the star trek utopian kind rather than the maoist third worldist kind.
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Shaggar posted:tankies are the litterral worst
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cis autodrag posted:I mean, I'm a commie, but more of the star trek utopian kind rather than the maoist third worldist kind. so a fantasy you know is fantasy vs a fantasy born out of mental disorder. I can understand that idk what tankies are (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Shaggar posted:idk what tankies are communists who are on the way to stalinist fascism the name comes from the time the soviets sent tanks to suppress riots in hungary
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oh so just regular commies then
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cis autodrag posted:I mean, I'm a commie, but more of the star trek utopian kind rather than the maoist third worldist kind. I will worry about the factions on the left that are not down with the queers when they can do anything more than post screeds on the internet or make a food not bombs meeting somewhat uncomfortable.
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Sagebrush posted:stalinist fascism sagebrush no
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ultravoices posted:I will worry about the factions on the left that are not down with the queers when they can do anything more than post screeds on the internet or make a food not bombs meeting somewhat uncomfortable. And even people who are ostensibly allies can be pretty lovely without even realizing it (one great thing about the last couple of months is that I'll probably never have to see that goddamn "human being doesn't mean gay!" Louis C.K. bit ever again). gently caress, even those of the tribe can be ultra-lovely about anything that isn't super specific to them--one of the most disheartening nights of my life was canvassing for NOH8 and getting assigned to the corner right by Tiger Heat.
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sorry to invade the thread with a stupid question but i can easily see google leading me to the wrong answers i know what the "ia" in lgbtqia+ stand for, but beyond the strict english definition what do those actually mean?
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Ciaphas posted:sorry to invade the thread with a stupid question but i can easily see google leading me to the wrong answers the a stands for asexual/agender and sometimes ally. Asexual means you have no interest in sex. You might do it but you don't derive pleasure from it. Agender means you don't identify with a gender. Commonly expressed as being androgynous. An ally is a cishet person that actively supports queer people. the i stands for intersex which is a person with a sex body part that does not fit the typical characteristics of the two sexes. This can happen when there's a hormone imbalance and the person doesn't really physically resemble a female or a male. Controversially parents may choose which sex they want the baby to grow up as because they're kind of in between and could go either way. Raere fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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ah yes the funy computer forum, obviously the best place to post this i originally thought of myself as just another dumb idiot cis male but in the last two years and especially the last two months i've been noticing that i might actually be trans and a lot of that cis thought might just be repression from the environment and my upbringing (my family was fairly conservative and even as recently as 2015 i had to deal with a family member calling a trans person "transvestite" as an insult and deadnaming them intentionally) it's kind of like running "gender defrag.exe" complete with "gently caress realized another repressed memory, starting over" and it will probably take about as long as the real one before i really know what the hell is going on in my dumb idiot brain e: also i'm asexual. it feels weird to consider that under 'queer' though, but i guess that'll feel more normal eventually since i only really realized that a week ago
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Zamujasa posted:ah yes the funy computer forum, obviously the best place to post this You don't have a dumb idiot brain because you're questioning yourself. Every person questions their identity as some point, most people just don't want to say so out loud.
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Raere posted:You don't have a dumb idiot brain because you're questioning yourself. Every person questions their identity as some point, most people just don't want to say so out loud. oh the dumb idiot part isn't because of gender/sex poo poo, it's just a default feature
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if it helps, you're probably not not queerCiaphas posted:lgbtqia+ please, the alphabet soup is subject to 4% annual inflation. it's lgbtqiaap+ now and avoid ppl who use glb and lg
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Ciaphas posted:i know what the "ia" in lgbtqia+ stand for, but beyond the strict english definition what do those actually mean? honestly the letters have gone through a couple of evolutions over time. i remember when q was questioning. all the gender and sex criminals have a place at the table. intersex people are people with sexual or reproductive anatomy that doesn't fit into an easily defined category. for example, people with various degrees of androgen insensitivity might have XY chromosomes, but have a somewhat to mostly female body because their body doesn't respond to androgens in a normal way. 'cause the birth certificate needs an M or an F in it for society not to lose it's mind, even if the genitals or genetics are ambiguous (or not known! sometimes genetic weirdness doesn't hit until puberty) intersex people face a host of challenges which are adjacent to but not quite the same as a trans community. A these days usually means asexual, which is a fairly new thing, and asexual people have come forth to educate the world about their identity. for most people who identify as asexual, it means a lack of sexual attraction to other people or some people use it to mean a lack of identification with a particular gender. A in older texts is going to refer to ally, tho.
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Zamujasa posted:ah yes the funy computer forum, obviously the best place to post this Or you may be Morrissey, in which case you can go piss up a rope. And I can completely understand the family angle--my family wasn't particularly conservative or religious, but the day-to-day casual poo poo and my dad trying to beat his sexuality out of me kept me from being completely me for a long time. At any rate, you've made a big step here and you should be proud of yourself. Reflect, explore and when poo poo gets bad--it almost certainly will--just try to remember that who you are and how you feel is not a matter of consensus. If you're not hurting anyone, then gently caress all and sundry. If you have a local LGBTQ center, definitely check it out. There are people there who can help you through the rough spots and teach you how to get the next generation through their rough spots.
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Triglav posted:please, the alphabet soup is subject to 4% annual inflation. it's lgbtqiaap+ now wait when did we drop two Qs into one? also does P stand for pan because if so P crew represent also hello thread I am a cis male who's been part of various aspects of the queer-alphabet-soup community (mostly through having a bunch of trans friends) for most of his life. I just wanted to drop in to say you are all cool and good people.
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Kazinsal posted:wait when did we drop two Qs into one? also does P stand for pan because if so P crew represent
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no you're right, i forgot the qq. it's lgbtqqiaap+ until next year
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I'm a fan of using queer instead of LGBT++++++++++ because someone's always going to be left out if you use an acronym.
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Raere posted:I'm a fan of using queer instead of LGBT++++++++++ because someone's always going to be left out if you use an acronym. LGBT++++ would queer again
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same re: queer, but only as an adjective similar to "black community" vs "blacks", "hispanic people" vs "hispanics"
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Peeny Cheez posted:Not A-shaming here, but have you considered that your lack of interest in and/or drive for sex might be a repressive reflex to being in a body you don't feel comfortable in? Again, no shaming or denialism, but if you're not comfortable in your own skin you're not going to be comfortable in anyone else's. quote:And I can completely understand the family angle--my family wasn't particularly conservative or religious, but the day-to-day casual poo poo and my dad trying to beat his sexuality out of me kept me from being completely me for a long time. quote:At any rate, you've made a big step here and you should be proud of yourself. Reflect, explore and when poo poo gets bad--it almost certainly will--just try to remember that who you are and how you feel is not a matter of consensus. If you're not hurting anyone, then gently caress all and sundry. i probably won't go to any center, at least not yet. it's a lot easier to talk about this poo poo online.
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Triglav posted:same re: queer, but only as an adjective queers
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Zamujasa posted:it sucks for me because i still live in my hometown. most of my family is within 10 or 15 miles. i've mostly gone dark or n/c with some of them for other reasons, though.  Even if the place isn't completely unfriendly, it's easier to find out who you are when you aren't constantly subconsciously living up to what other people have come to expect from you. quote:I've been questioning this short of poo poo for years, but only in recent time have i actually seriously thought about any of it. and when i do, i feel like i'm still finding excuses. "i waited this long", or "what if i realize that isn't the case at all", and so on. poo poo that everyone tells me they've gone through, too. quote:i probably won't go to any center, at least not yet. it's a lot easier to talk about this poo poo online.
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Raere posted:I'm a fan of using queer instead of LGBT++++++++++ because someone's always going to be left out if you use an acronym.
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Raere posted:I'm a fan of using queer instead of LGBT++++++++++ because someone's always going to be left out if you use an acronym. Ya I usually use queer too, but it's kind of an Our Word thing where I'd beat the poo poo out of a non queer who used it.
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Zamujasa posted:ah yes the funy computer forum, obviously the best place to post this Welcome fellow traveler, I hope you find yourself and live your true life. 😊
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cis autodrag posted:Ya I usually use queer too, but it's kind of an Our Word thing where I'd beat the poo poo out of a non queer who used it. cleve jones was on npr the other day and he p consistently called himself a queer, but other people gay
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just wanted to let you guys know I'm still solidly gay
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Triglav posted:
Lucky Gender
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bob dobbs is dead posted:Boring paper writing folk have used "gender and sex minorities" before Sexual minorities, but ya that is common in academia. I think we were talking about self identification tho
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queer is ok if you are using it in the right context
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A Pinball Wizard posted:queer is ok if you are using it in the right context 1) Being queer 2) Not being queer, but also not being a butthole 3) Being Shirley Manson Inappropriate contexts: 1) Being a butthole 2) Making unfounded insinuations about things that are being done to the soil
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bob dobbs is dead posted:Boring paper writing folk have used "gender and sex minorities" before yeah but that doesnt work when u only got verizon coverage
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