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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cis autodrag posted:

So on a more serous note, I wanted to talk about the stereotype that trans people are drawn to tech. Anecdotally, there do seem to be more trans people in tech than in the wider population, but my thinking is that the truth is that there's just more out trans people.

Being, on average, more wealthy and more white than the wider population makes it feel safer to come out. I know I didn't come out until I was cashing developer paychecks. People doing worse economically have safety and employment concerns that require them to just suppress to get by.

Anyway, I wanted to get other folks observations on this since it's becoming somewhat of a stereotype at this point.

i'd also add that part of that might be a bias due to some of the loudest (and sometimes worst) transpeople are in tech, like Justine Tunney

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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

fishmech posted:

sa as a whole is pretty dang trans so its one part that. but also this particular subforum has less maga chuds than some others on this site so it can be easier to see people say it rather than just disappear or never mention it.

even with pretty lovely mods all over the forums for the past nearly 18 years its still been a hell of a lot more moderation/protection of a lot of kinds of people than you would get on any sort of prominent discussion site, and often still is. which says a lot more about the internet than sa?

SA's got some weird visibility these days though, like one of my trans friends is of the opinion that the site is a 4chan-level cesspool because the only people she ever encounters in the wild who openly talk about SA are from GBS or FYAD or other cesspools and are actively hostile to her

she also used to have an account here like a goddamn decade ago so that's probably at least part of it but she's definitely gotten harassed by people from SA as recently as this year :sigh:

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

i was gonna write up a long and mostly speculative reply to vodkat's post but near the end i realized a much more simple explanation:

tech is one of the very few high-paying-right-out-of-college fields still accessible to the middle class. transitioning can be prohibitively expensive - for example my wife delayed doing it until we both got better jobs and could afford it. on top of this, if you live in one of the garbage states, someone living paycheck to paycheck is gonna be much less likely to want to risk getting fired for coming out as trans than someone with an emergency fund whose skills are in active demand.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Venuz Patrol posted:

it's been frustrating for me that a lot of people seem to think of Validity being the problem rather than access to actual resources. there's a dozen support groups i could be in at a moment's notice where i live, but the doctors that are considered reliable are all booked out months in advance

i get that not everyone's a doctor and they want to help out however they can, but it still weighed kinda heavy on me when i was trying to get The Process started

my wife was lucky enough to get a pretty good doctor (after a 5 month waiting list :v:) who was fine for about a year, but he was old as heck and finally retired due to failing health. he transferred all his patients to this other lady who, two days before a scheduled appointment where my wife needed a prescription refill, sent us a letter saying basically "i'm not doing trans HRT find someone else"

thanks rear end in a top hat

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

as a result of that we had to go to this LGBT resource clinic, which is pretty nice - the signup forms had fields for 'what do you want to be called' and 'what do you identify as', and all the nurses used her correct name and gender and stuff and did everything right... except the actual doctor who used her dead name and male pronouns. buddy you do this for a living how do you get that wrong

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Ciaphas posted:

sorry to invade the thread with a stupid question but i can easily see google leading me to the wrong answers

i know what the "ia" in lgbtqia+ stand for, but beyond the strict english definition what do those actually mean?

it stands for the black goat of the woods with a thousand young

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

i know at least some groups *cough*furries*cough* use it as "will gently caress anything with a hole" with all the creepy implications of that so while i used to use it to describe myself i don't really do that anymore because i've had some, uh, awkward conversations as a result

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

a while ago i stumbled across a term that's specifically applied as a label to categorize people who entirely reject the concept of applying labels to categorize their identity which i thought was pretty lol, could never remember what it was though...

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

ultravoices posted:

a dickgirl porn haver

the insane guy who keeps sending my wife mail bombs

(they're not actually mail bombs they're just incredibly suspicious ratty packages that contain bizarre items like a "TRUMP TRAIN" mug, though i open everything outdoors with gloves on because eventually the guy's gonna lace the thing with anthrax i just know it)

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Shaman Linavi posted:

hi can anyone link me to some yospos approved binders tia

three ring or four?

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cis autodrag posted:

Jesus christ

i still have one unopened one that arrived on a day when we were both feeling pretty lovely already and found it waiting for us and were just like "ugh that loving guy i don't have time for this poo poo" and put it on the counter and left it there, maybe i should do a fun schizophrenic mail harassment unboxing video if i ever get around to opening it

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cis autodrag posted:

Have you reported this guy to the postal service? They take stuff like that pretty seriously.

yeah i tell her to report it (or offer to myself) each time we get one, though i don't feel like it's really my place to do it for her unless she wants me to so it's ultimately up to her. she's a pretty shy / non-confrontational person so idk.

in the meantime i just open em' for her when they arrive since i'm bigger and can probably absorb more poison without dying

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010


that doesn't sound like what i'd want though:

quote:

The only absolute requirement is that it must be possible to construe the mailpiece as an offer to sell goods or services.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

there certainly are some people who misgender by mistake but there are also tons of people who do it because they have no real experience with actual transpeople, or because they think it doesn't matter or isn't disrespectful.

there's also a few special assholes who do it deliberately, "on principle," who need a good punching

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

it's easy to forget that a huge chunk of the population doesn't really know anything about transpeople. our enterprise customers at work are beginning to request that we build gender fields in apps to either have a third "not sure/prefer not to say" option or just offer a textbox, which is nice. when these came up most of my coworkers (from all different parts of the company, not just the devs) were very confused and were responding with stuff like "what's this weird silly gender stuff, why do they need a third gender checkbox here, that's silly! customers are so wacky!"

trans stuff is so alien to them that it's treated as a bizarre novelty that definitely doesn't correspond to any real people

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cis autodrag posted:

are people actually offended by "dude" or "guys"? idgaf about that poo poo and I assumed outrage about it was just a conservative strawman.

none of the trans or cis women i know care about that because it's at the same level of common use as atheists saying "oh god"

y'all works pretty good as a replacement though yeah

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Zamujasa posted:

i'm not really dysphoric other than hating facial hair and my awful body

i don't mean this in a hostile way or anything but, what exactly do you think dysphoria is...

but yeah as other posters said seek therapy, it's super helpful. it's a person who knows all the weird dumb ways your brain fucks with you and has seen tons of these patterns before

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

CommunistPancake posted:

if dude is agender what's the deal with dudette

nobody has used the term dudette in earnest since like 1993

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

wife was doing laser for a while until she figured she was at the point of diminishing returns and needed to switch to electrolysis to get the rest, though she still hasn't scheduled that after a few months so idk what's up. it got rid of a lot though so that's nice

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Zamujasa posted:

that's the thing: i don't entirely know. i follow a lot of trans folks in various places and when they talk about being dysphoric it sounds like anything from upsetting to like, panic-attack inducing at points. and in my case i just feel mildly irritated. the kind of mild irritation you get when you hit every red light in a row.

it's a big ol' spectrum like most human conditions. i know someone who's so disgusted with their dick and any masculine aspect of their body they've already gotten a trach shave and they're counting down the days until bottom surgery, while my wife and most of my other friends are perfectly fine with keeping their ladyboners and are mostly bothered by their faces to varying degrees. don't try to measure yourself against some external standard of 'trans-ness', just try to figure out what you'd be happiest living with.

Zamujasa posted:

i think i was just in a bad place last night. i feel better today. i'm doing what i can w/ therapy but the last therapist i tried seeing was not a pleasant experience so i'm working up the mental strength to try finding another one.

pro therapist tip: if you can, make sure they have a psychology PhD or at least a masters, and preferably pick one that specifically states they're experienced in handling gender stuff ofc

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cis autodrag posted:

By the time you're done with laser nothing will hurt anymore. Pain will be a distant memory. I'm getting electrolysis... down there.. to get ready for bottom surgery and it's not that bad comparatively. keep in mind that electro is hair by hair so it's not gonna singe quarter sized hunks of your face like laser does.

both vary a ton between people and methods i think. the wife says laser is "like someone's thwapping a rubber band against your face, more annoying than agonizing" while another friend says their face feels like it's on fire. i also know that the one my wife did also puffed chilled air on you right before the laser pulse so it would heat damage the skin less or numb you a tiny bit or something?

as for electrolysis, the friend doing bottom surgery got it for that and didn't really mind it much at all, while another friend is having it done on the face right now and even popped some goddamn opiates beforehand and it was still overwhelmingly painful to her

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010


is that a satanic pentagram emoji

e: oh it's 'white flower' but it's got a transparent background so i'm just seeing some five-lobed red thing on black lol

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Raere posted:

What do folks think about using euphemisms to talk about genitals around trans people? I saw some Youtube videos that trans friends sent me in earnest that suggested saying 'bottom innie' instead of vagina and 'bottom outie' instead of penis. Those terms sound childish to me, but is it helpful at all to be more careful with my word choice? I'm inclined to treat people like adults and use the usual terms.

i generally like ladyboner around friends because it's the preferred term of at least two of my no-op trans friends and my wife, and also it's funny and descriptive

use whatever the person you're talking to wants you to use, and if you don't know them well enough to know what that is you probably shouldn't be inquiring about their genitals in the first place :shrug:

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Glazier posted:

Either way sucks for us non-op people, why couldn’t I have been born in Oregon?

wait you have to change your birth certificate through the original state that issued it rather than your state of residency?

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Ok so how's that gonna work for my wife, she was born in New Zealand and her family moved to the US when she was young so she has full (in fact, dual) citizenship. I guess we'd get it changed in New Zealand? Which is lucky, since they're pretty permissive as far as I can tell...

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cis autodrag posted:

Yep.

Fun fact, US birth certificates and name records (and amendments to them) are public records in most states and any rear end in a top hat can request a copy, which is one tool doxxers use if they can get your legal name.

in Florida the entire voter registration list is public, name address phone everything. the only way you can ever get your name hidden is if you go in person and present a compelling reason (like you're being actively stalked) by which time it's already been indexed a ton anyway. thanks guys!

Glazier posted:

Ah that I do know about because my sister was adopted from Pohnpei. What she'll need is a replacement Certificate of Naturalization and believe it or not all you need is a letter from the doctor, corrected DL or other ID, or a court order. They even specifically say "Proof of sex reassignment surgery or any other specific medical treatment is not required to issue the requested document in the changed gender."

https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/AFM/HTML/AFM/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-1067/Chapter10-22.html

oh that's neat, thanks

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cis autodrag posted:

Yes. Spironolactone is a potassium sparing diuretic. That means your kidneys are working double time but not passing potassium very quickly. This results in potassium buildup in the kidneys if you take in too much too quickly and can lead to renal failure. The biggest risks are salt substitutes and bananas because of their relatively high amount of potassium, but you should really be minimizing intake as much as possible. Also upping your sodium intake because you are losing a lot of it because, again, it's a diuretic.

None of that applies if you've had your testes removed (not on Spiro anymore), or are using a different testosterone blocker (which you won't be in the US because the fda doesn't allow it).

Also note that estrogen ups your risk of blood clots and nicotine makes it worse so if either of you smoke, now is a really good time to knock that poo poo off.

see i've talked to my pharmacist friend about this a lot and he says that the whole "don't consume potassium at all if you can help it" is bad advice since you still, you know, need it to live, and as long as you don't eat a ton of them bananas here and there are fine. obviously do whatever your actual doctor says and don't take my word for it, but idk i tend to trust him he's real fuckin' apt on drug interactions and catches poo poo doctors miss all the time at the hospital where he works :shrug:

the sodium thing is definitely an issue though, one of my friends wasn't careful about that and wound up getting super sick and loopy and fading in and out of consiousness and all sorts of other bad poo poo

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

also another friend's wife got a blood clot which broke up and caused multiple separate strokes over the course of an evening at the ripe old age of... 28 :ohdear:

luckily she recovered completely but yeah that was terrifying

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

thread no stop

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Ciaphas posted:

y'all talked earlier about laser and electrolytic hair removal, did any particular physicans or other medical pros do/refer those or did y'all track down a local business or similar

i see local places like simplicity laser and while i can't point out anything specific my scamalarm is (maybe falsely) going off

i mean it's a little weird that their website consists entirely of stock photos but the fact that they have 16 different locations across multiple states sounds to me like they're at least a real actual business that does real actual laser hair removal :shrug:


e: emphasis mine

quote:

SHOULD I BE WORRIED ABOUT RADIATION?
No way! There are two types of radiation: non-ionizing radiation and ionizing radiation. Hair removal lasers produce non-ionizing radiation, which is simply the radiation of light, and is FDA approved for your skin. Ionizing radiation, which is not produced by hair removal lasers, represents x-rays, ultra-violet, and nuclear radiation and is a completely different type of radiation.

*eyebrow twitches violently*

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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cis autodrag posted:

I assume they just have that to comfort loonies who think cell phones cause cancer and want prop 58 warnings on everything.

oh yeah that's absolutely the reason, i'm just being a pedantic dork

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Ciaphas posted:

today i got caught up on some required work training, one of them was a 45 minute course on workplace harassment. there was a video module on transgender people, alongside but distinct from the rest of the sexual alphabet soup

idk if that's interesting news for anyone or particularly uncommon anymore, but seeing it in my workplace--heavily right leaning, us military/govt contractor--was surprising and nice

US government contractors are specifically required not to discriminate based on gender identity even if the state they're operating in would allow it so that 45 minute course was probably tacked on to the rest once obama made that rule a thing

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Lunar Suite posted:

here's the classy version. amazing what a good photoshopgrapher does to your face

are you 80 year old leather daddy jesus

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

bill thornton went in and pissed 1100ml in one go. over a liter of fluid.

that's like what i piss normally i hope i'm not weird :ohdear:

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

did you mean to post that in another thread stymie or did i miss something

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Sagebrush posted:

do you regularly measure the volume of your piss?

well no but like, i've pissed in bottles of known volume on long car trips before?

that and i've noticed i sometimes take like, twice to three times as long to piss as other people, despite having a pretty constant powerful stream if i do say so myself

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

i was like "where have i heard that name before..." and then i suddenly remembered the time the cool croatian study abroad student in college introduced me and the other stoner buds to El Topo :allears:

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Helianthus Annuus posted:

i guess i had always uncritically thought of gay marriage as cool and good. for johnson, the problem is: gay marriage was pursued at the exclusion of other, possibly more important/relevant, goals of the lgbt community. in other words, the more establishment faction of lgbt used the issue to dominate and subdue the more radical elements

as pointed out he's dead wrong about a lot, but there definitely is a "mainstream" LGBT that pushed gay marriage hard, to the point where transpeople especially were often thrown under the bus as a political bargaining chip. for a long time "popular" LGBT was actually GLB and sometimes T and we're only now really moving past that

Shame Boy fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Jan 7, 2018

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

fishmech posted:

this feels like its implicitly overstating how much support was being given to transpeople before gay marriage became an issue people were heavily pushing for :shrug:

yeah i certainly didn't mean that, what i'm talking about existed long before gay marriage became a serious possibility, it's just gay marriage is one point where it got particularly ugly and visible

and yes there's a distinction between 'gay marriage is bad' and 'the process at which we arrived at gay marriage was bad', the first one is obviously wrong (my first wedding anniversary is later this month :toot:) but the second one is a bit more murky

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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cis autodrag posted:

Gotcha. I think i would say you're bisexual. It's totally normal for your preference to shift day to day, but related to what I said above if you can think of a more specific term for your experience than "bi" it can only enrich your sense of yourself.

i kinda disagree with that last part personally, my sexuality sorta behaves the same way as RISCy's and i feel wholly "enriched" in my sense of self without ever actually needing to classify what specific subphylum i am. idk sometimes dudebutts are cool and sometimes ladybutts are cool and sometimes both are cool and that's fine, i'm attracted to... what i'm attracted to.

i don't at all mean to say you shouldn't want to/try to figure out who you are or anything, it's just always been odd to me that some people seem to need to know which exact ultra-specific academic psychological term pertains to themselves.

maybe i'm just weird though, whatever works for you :shrug:

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