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Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

Verhy old and rocky thoughts


Plaster Town Cop

EDITS:
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NBA Draft order: http://www.nba.com/article/2018/05/15/2018-draft-order
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Draft is June 21st on ESPN



Here's Givony's latest mock draft, not perfect but it's more or less what everyone is referring to as the consensus draft

2018 NBA mock draft - Picks for Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers, Philadelphia 76ers
by Jonathan Givony on 2017-12-27 05:05:19 UTC (original: http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...ladelphia-76ers)

How has our 2018 mock draft changed after six weeks of NBA action and illuminating matchups for some of the top prospects?

Here's our new look at the full first and second rounds, including a shake-up in the top five.


ESPN's BPI was used to project draft order.

1. Chicago Bulls
Luka Doncic
Real Madrid
Age: 18.7
PG


Although Doncic is starting to feel some heat from a pair of collegiate big men making strong cases for No. 1 overall pick consideration, he's still in the midst of a historic season for an 18-year old international, averaging 25 points, nine rebounds and seven assists per 40 minutes with a 62 percent true shooting percentage.

He would be able to help the hapless Bulls immediately at both the guard and the wing spots while likely manning the point full time. He looks like a good fit alongside the team's existing young pieces.

Starting salary: $8,095,680

2. Phoenix Suns
Marvin Bagley III
Duke
Freshman
PF/C


The Suns haven't gotten the type of results they hoped to see from their two top-10 big men drafted in 2016. They might start thinking about stockpiling more frontcourt talent, considering the options available to them here.

Bagley is putting up historic numbers for an 18-year-old thus far while carrying No. 1 Duke to an undefeated record. His toughness, scoring instincts, budding skill set and upside make him a strong contender for the No. 1 pick.

Starting salary: $7,243,440

3. Sacramento Kings
Deandre Ayton
Arizona
Freshman
C


The Kings are still figuring out just how good their young frontcourt prospects are and might not be in a situation to pass on a "best talent available" type due to positional considerations.

Ayton has adjusted quickly to college basketball. He is putting up huge numbers so far for an underachieving Arizona team. There are some concerns about his work ethic and defensive instincts, but there is no doubt about how talented he is overall.

Starting salary: $6,504,600

4. Atlanta Hawks
Michael Porter Jr.
Missouri
Freshman
SF/PF


The Hawks have rotated among starting the likes of Luke Babbitt, Ersan Ilyasova and Mike Muscala at power forward, which indicates that an upgrade could certainly be imminent.

Michael Porter's ability to create offense and make shots from the perimeter will be attractive for a team that often struggles to score. His fit alongside promising youngsters John Collins and Taurean Prince is intriguing as well.

Starting salary: $5,864,640

5. Cleveland Cavaliers (via Nets)
Mohamed Bamba
Texas
Freshman
C


The Cavs don't have a real center on their roster and are in desperate need of young talent, which could lead them to swing for the fences on a prospect such as Bamba.

He projects as an elite-level rim-protector with strong instincts as a rebounder. His offensive game is raw but shows promise.

Starting salary: $5,310,720

Cleveland will receive Brooklyn's first-round pick unprotected.

6. Dallas Mavericks
Robert Williams
Texas A&M
Sophomore
PF/C


With Nerlens Noel unlikely to be in Dallas' long-term plans and Dirk Nowitzki turning 40 in June, the Mavs will definitely be looking for a frontcourt player to build around.

The Texas A&M sophomore is one of the best athletes in this draft, and he shows significant upside as a rim-protector, rebounder and finisher, while even flashing glimpses as a passer and shooter.

Starting salary: $4,823,520

7. Philadelphia 76ers (via Lakers)
Jaren Jackson
Michigan State
Freshman
PF/C


The Sixers don't appear to have any glaring needs at the moment, which could lead them to shop this pick for more established talent.

Every team could use another long, athletic, rim-protecting, pick-and-roll-switching, 3-point-shooting big man such as Jackson, though, and his long-term upside is probably too high for him to fall much further than this.

Starting salary: $4,403,280

Philadelphia will receive L.A.'s pick if it lands at No. 1 or Nos. 6-30. Otherwise, the pick goes to Boston. BPI projects that Philly has a 71.5 percent chance of getting this pick, with a 6.4 percent chance that it ends up No. 1.

8. Memphis Grizzlies
Miles Bridges
Michigan State
Sophomore
SF/PF


The Grizzlies will be disappointed to find themselves among the 10 worst teams in the NBA, but they certainly have some needs to address with a high draft pick. One of them is the combo forward position, which has been a rotating cast of characters in Memphis for some time now.

Bridges brings the type of athleticism, toughness and physicality the team could fall in love with.

Starting salary: $4,033,800

9. Orlando Magic
Collin Sexton
Alabama
Freshman
PG


The Magic have invested four years in incumbent starter Elfrid Payton, but his inability to shoot 3-pointers or free throws means it still isn't clear that he is a long-term answer at the position.

Enter Sexton, the clear-cut best point guard prospect in the draft, who has been terrorizing NCAA defenses all season. (Doncic can play either backcourt position). His toughness, aggressiveness and competitiveness could fit in well on this roster.

Starting salary: $3,708,120

10. LA Clippers
Kevin Knox
Kentucky
Freshman
SF/PF


On a roster completely devoid of young talent, the Clippers won't be in a situation to think too much about positional needs.

Knox has established himself as one of the best combo forward prospects in the draft, with his multi-positional defensive versatility, ability to stretch the floor and athleticism in the open court.

Starting salary: $3,522,480

11. New York Knicks
Dzanan Musa
Cedevita
Age: 18.5
SF


The Knicks have a glaring hole at small forward, which could possibly be filled by a big scoring wing such as Musa, who has been putting up points at a historic rate, relative to his age, this season in the Adriatic League.

Although his defense is a question mark, his ability to create his own shot, find the open man and make jumpers from all over the floor gives him a clear-cut niche as a bucket-getter at the NBA level.

Starting salary: $3,346,560

12. Charlotte Hornets
Mikal Bridges
Villanova
Junior
SF


The Hornets are still searching for long-term answers on the wing, where they've rotated a number of players in and out of the starting lineup all season, partially due to injuries.

Bridges is an easy player to slot on almost any NBA roster, thanks to his multi-positional defensive versatility, 3-point shooting and role-player potential.

Starting salary: $3,179,280

13. Phoenix Suns (via Heat)
Trevon Duval
Duke
Freshman
PG


After trading Eric Bledsoe to the Bucks, the Suns have a clear-cut hole at point guard, which they'll be looking to fill this summer.

Duval came into the season projected as the second-best point guard prospect in the draft, and he has yet to relinquish that standing. He has the size and length to defend either guard spot. He's also a dangerous weapon in the open floor and a willing passer who has been making the NCAA's most efficient offense flow, despite a clear-cut lack of spacing.

Starting salary: $3,020,280

Phoenix will receive Miami's pick if it is outside the top seven. BPI projects that Phoenix has a 92.4 percent chance of landing this pick.

14. Indiana Pacers
Lonnie Walker IV
Miami
Freshman
SG


The Pacers are exceeding expectations this season but still have some holes in their roster that they might look to fill long-term by drafting wisely.

One of them is on the wing, where Walker could draw some interest with his combination of length, perimeter shooting and budding versatility on both ends of the floor. Walker has gotten off to a slow start coming off a knee injury and will need to play better to maintain this lofty projection.

Starting salary: $2,869,320

15. New Orleans Pelicans
Bruce Brown
Miami
Sophomore
SG


The Pelicans have one of the NBA's strongest frontcourts and could look to bolster their backcourt, where they've been far too reliant on Jrue Holiday and E'Twaun Moore.

Brown isn't ultra talented, but he has won over NBA folks with his toughness, aggressiveness, two-way versatility and improving perimeter shooting. He started the season slowly, though he has been better as of late.

Starting salary: $2,725,680

16. Utah Jazz
Wendell Carter Jr.
Duke
Freshman
C


The Jazz's frontcourt depth has been tested with the injury to Rudy Gobert, and Derrick Favors' unrestricted free-agency status could cause the Jazz to explore adding another big man in the draft this summer.

Carter has been overshadowed by Bagley to an extent, and he hasn't been able to show the same pick-and-roll finishing and perimeter shooting combo that intrigued NBA scouts going into the season. Nevertheless, he ticks a number of boxes that talent evaluators look for at his position, and he has plenty of upside to grow into.

Starting salary: $2,589,480

17. Denver Nuggets
Trae Young
Oklahoma
Freshman
PG


The Nuggets are still trying to figure out what their point guard rotation looks like long-term and could very well look to upgrade that position this summer.

Trae Young burst into the NBA draft conversation by posting some of the best numbers in college basketball, regardless of the fact that he's only 19. His ability to navigate pick-and-rolls and make shots off the dribble is intriguing in a class so devoid of backcourt talent -- if he can sustain his impressive productivity.

Starting salary: $2,460,000

18. Portland Trail Blazers

Troy Brown
Oregon
Freshman
SG


The Blazers don't have much depth on the wing and could be looking to upgrade at that spot this summer.

Brown is one of the most versatile players in the freshman class, with his ability to defend multiple positions, rebound and make plays for others, even if Oregon has been somewhat disappointing so far.

Starting salary: $2,337,000

19. Milwaukee Bucks

Anfernee Simons
IMG Academy (HS)
Age: 18.4
SG


The Bucks have solid depth and could potentially afford to swing for the fences and select one of the most raw prospects in the class (but also one with significant upside).

Simons is weighing skipping college altogether and would benefit from the lack of backcourt depth from which this draft suffers. He's a tremendous athlete who shows potential as a shot-creator and off-the-dribble jump-shooter, but he could likely benefit from gaining experience at the NCAA level due to his frail physique.

Starting salary: $2,231,760

Phoenix will receive Milwaukee's pick if it lands in Nos. 11-16. BPI projects that Phoenix has a 31.3 percent chance of landing this pick.

20. Minnesota Timberwolves (via Thunder)

Hamidou Diallo
Kentucky
Sophomore
SG


The Timberwolves have little to no depth on the wing, causing them to play stars Andrew Wiggins and Jimmy Butler nearly 74 combined minutes per game.

They could look to pick a young, athletic wing such as Diallo and groom him into a defensive stopper who can hopefully make shots consistently, an area in which he has been streaky historically.

Starting salary: $2,142,360

Minnesota will receive Oklahoma City's pick if it is outside the lottery.

21. Atlanta Hawks (via Timberwolves)

Shake Milton
SMU
Junior
PG/SG


With the second of their three first-round picks, the Hawks might look to add some backcourt depth, specifically someone who can play behind or alongside incumbent starters Dennis Schroder and Kent Bazemore.

A player such as Milton, who has the size and length to defend all three backcourt spots and can operate on or off the ball with a consistent outside shot, would make sense.

Starting salary: $2,056,680

Atlanta will receive Minnesota's pick if it is outside the lottery.

22. Detroit Pistons

Justin Jackson
Maryland
Sophomore
SF/PF


The Pistons, like every NBA team, could look to add depth to their combo-forward rotation, specifically someone who can operate off the ball, make jump shots and defend multiple positions.

Jackson has gotten off to a slow start this season, but with his length and versatility, he checks a number of the boxes NBA talent evaluators look for.

Starting salary: $1,974,480

23. Philadelphia 76ers

Grayson Allen
Duke
Senior
SG


The Sixers probably won't be looking to add too many more young players to their stacked rotation, but they could always use more perimeter shooting prowess.

Allen is a big-time shot-maker who should be ready to contribute fairly soon as one of the lone NCAA seniors projected to be picked in the first round.

Starting salary: $1,895,520

24. Washington Wizards

Mitchell Robinson
College: None
Freshman
C


With Marcin Gortat approaching 34 and the end of his contract next season, the Wizards might start to think about adding a young project big man they can develop down the road.

Robinson is one of the most physically talented prospects in the draft, with impressive length, athleticism and shot-blocking instincts, but he is a long way away from contributing. The fact that he elected not to play college basketball this season won't help matters, but at some point in the draft, he's worth rolling the dice on.

Starting salary: $1,819,800

25. Cleveland Cavaliers

De'Anthony Melton
USC
Sophomore
PG/SG


Starting the likes of Jose Calderon, Dwyane Wade, Derrick Rose and Iman Shumpert at various points this season, the Cavs' backcourt is in need of an infusion of youth.

Melton looked to be on the verge of a breakout season for USC before the FBI investigation shut him down indefinitely. His defensive versatility, toughness and intangibles make him a prospect worth investing in, regardless of whatever is next for the Cavs.

Starting salary: $1,746,840

26. San Antonio Spurs

Nick Richards
Kentucky
Freshman
C


With the Spurs' incumbent big man starters both in their mid 30s and no clear-cut successor in the waiting, it might make sense for San Antonio's front office to consider drafting a project center to develop long-term.

Richards is fairly new to basketball, but he has enviable physical tools and shows enough potential as a rebounder, shot-blocker and finisher.

Starting salary: $1,689,000

27. Brooklyn Nets (via Raptors)

Chimezie Metu
USC
Junior
PF/C


The Nets' frontcourt is still a work in progress, with a host of characters getting minutes that might not be in their long-term plans.

Metu looks the part physically, covers ground seamlessly, shows touch facing and with his back to the basket, and might have some untapped potential on the perimeter on both ends of the floor.

Starting salary: $1,640,400

Brooklyn will receive Toronto's pick if it is outside the lottery.

28. Boston Celtics

Khyri Thomas
Creighton
Junior
SG


The Celtics love long-armed, multipositional defenders who can make shots from the perimeter.

Thomas has come on strong this season, continuing his impressive upward trajectory.

Starting salary: $1,630,320

29. Atlanta Hawks (via Rockets)

Tyus Battle
Syracuse
Sophomore
SG/SF


The Hawks are still figuring out their wing rotation long-term and could look to bolster that spot with additional depth.

Battle looks the part physically and has shown potential as a scorer from different parts of the floor thus far in his college career.

Starting salary: $1,618,320

Atlanta will receive Houston's pick if it is outside the top three.

30. Golden State Warriors

Brandon McCoy
UNLV
Freshman
C


The Warriors might look to take advantage of the depth of this draft class in the frontcourt and add another rotation player at the center position.

McCoy is putting up monster scoring and rebounding numbers as a freshman at UNLV while demonstrating some newfound shooting potential.

Starting salary: $1,606,680

Round 2
31. Knicks (via Bulls)

Aaron Holiday | Junior | UCLA | PG

32. Suns

Rodions Kurucs | ACB/Euroleague | Barcelona | SF/PF

33. Kings

Jalen Hudson | Junior | Florida | SG

34. Hawks

Goga Bitadze | Adriatic | Mega Bemax | C

35. 76ers (via Nets)

Austin Wiley | Sophomore | Auburn | C

36. Mavericks

Arnoldas Kulboka | Italy /Champions League | Capo D'Orlando | SF

37. Magic (via Lakers)

PJ Washington | Freshman | Kentucky | PF

38. Grizzlies

Devonte' Graham | Senior | Kansas | PG

39. Nets (via Magic)

Bonzie Colson | Senior | Notre Dame | PF

40. 76ers (via Clippers)

Andrew Jones | Sophomore | Texas | PG/SG

41. Knicks

Alize Johnson | Senior | Missouri State | PF

42. Suns (via Hornets)

Chandler Hutchison | Senior | Boise State | SG

43. Rockets (via Heat)

Jacob Evans | Junior | Cincinnati | SF

44. Nets (via Pacers)

V.J. King | Sophomore | Louisville | SF

45. Bulls (via Pelicans)

Allonzo Trier | Junior | Arizona | SG

46. Jazz

Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk | Senior | Kansas | SG

47. Lakers (via Nuggets)

Ray Spalding Junior Louisville 6'10" PF

48. Nuggets (via Blazers)

Ethan Happ | Junior | Wisconsin | PF/C

49. Suns (via Bucks)

Vincent Edwards | Senior | Purdue | SF

50. Thunder

Moritz Wagner | Junior | Michigan | C

51. Wolves

Aleksa Radanov | Adriatic | FMP | SG

52. Pistons

Kostja Mushidi | Adriatic | Mega Bemax | SG

53. 76ers

Rawle Alkins | Sophomore | Arizona | SG

54. Wizards

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Malik Pope | Senior | San Diego State | SF

55. Hornets (via Cavs)

Isaac Haas | Senior | Purdue | C

56. Spurs

Keita Bates-Diop | Senior | Ohio St | SF

57. Suns (via Raptors)

Johnathan Williams | Senior | Gonzaga | PF

58. Thunder (via Celtics)

Jevon Carter | Senior | West Virginia | PG

59. 76ers (via Rockets)

Karim Jallow | Germany | Bayern Muenchen II | SF

60. Nuggets (via Warriors)

Maximo Fjellerup | Argentina | Bahia Blanca | SF/PF

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Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land






So Doncic, Porter, Bagley, Bamba, and Ayton seems like a solid top 5, then the drop-off begins?

R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004



whoever the bulls pick is gonna bust

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009


R.D. Mangles posted:

whoever the bulls pick is gonna bust

How much cash do you think you could get for a really high pick? Asking for a friend.

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

We just out here tipping more than $13


Trae Young is a top 10 pick imo

R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004



Bobby Digital posted:

How much cash do you think you could get for a really high pick? Asking for a friend.

bulls know they can't sell this one, they're going to take a senior who played really well in the NCAA Tournament

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

god qb
me
jay hova


R.D. Mangles posted:

bulls know they can't sell this one, they're going to take a senior who played really well in the NCAA Tournament

R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004




nixon: jesus christ

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009



https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast...8bcb3b67b8eb28e

A good early season draft pod episode

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

GarPax: "You Want it to be one way....but it's the other way."



Kill me

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Are there available searchable rate stats for college ball? I can only ever find totals and per game stats

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

Verhy old and rocky thoughts


Plaster Town Cop

EvanTH posted:

Are there available searchable rate stats for college ball? I can only ever find totals and per game stats

b-ref has per 100 possessions stats for ncaa players

JesusSinfulHands
Oct 24, 2007
Sartre and Russell are my heroes

Why do Bagley and Ayton not block any shots at the collegiate level? Neither currently projects to be a good 3-point shooter either. Shouldn't that be a cause for concern for big guys going in the top 5?

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009



Bagley is so dynamic you build a team around him to cover his deficiencies. That's the argument.

The other guy I don't know.

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Dejan Bimble posted:

b-ref has per 100 possessions stats for ncaa players

They have those stats listed on their player pages, but I don't think it's overall sortable/searchable?

Not seeing a way to come at it through the Finder page -- https://www.sports-reference.com/cb.../psl_finder.cgi

I want to browse over over stuff like what freshman is getting the most steals per 100 and things like that, and it doesn't seem possible with that current setup

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

Verhy old and rocky thoughts


Plaster Town Cop

JesusSinfulHands posted:

Why do Bagley and Ayton not block any shots at the collegiate level? Neither currently projects to be a good 3-point shooter either. Shouldn't that be a cause for concern for big guys going in the top 5?

Karl Towns didn't shoot threes in college, but he was great at shooting midrange jumpers and had a good ft%, it's something bigs can add. If they only drafted bigs who shot threes in the top of the lottery you'd have Ben Bentil and other lackluster stretch bigs elbowing out much more talented players.

A year in college with maybe 10 games where they match up with decent players is a small sample, so a lot of assumptions come from camps and workouts and all that stuff.

In the ncaa, a lot of teams just don't bother or aren't able to run shooters off the line. It's had to project, Jayson Taytum shot 30% from three in his Duke 4 role. It's a shot that's team dependent for a lot of players.

Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at Dec 6, 2017 around 20:12

JesusSinfulHands
Oct 24, 2007
Sartre and Russell are my heroes

Dejan Bimble posted:

Karl Towns didn't shoot threes in college, but he was great at shooting midrange jumpers and had a good ft%, it's something bigs can add. If they only drafted bigs who shot threes in the top of the lottery you'd have Ben Bentil and other lackluster stretch bigs elbowing out much more talented players.

A year in college with maybe 10 games where they match up with decent players is a small sample, so a lot of assumptions come from camps and workouts and all that stuff.

Watch a college game, a lot of teams just don't bother or aren't able to run shooters off the line.

Yeah, looks like Towns is a guy who eventually developed his jump shot (Embiid too). Not having a 3-point shot right now isn't disqualifying for elite big men prospects at all, just that it should be projectable, and Bagley's jump shot right now in particular seems suspect given what I've seen of his highlights and his HS/college FT percentages.

What about the lack of blocked shots though.

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

TRIGGERED BY COLLEGE SPORTS

Don't remind this retard that college sports are a scam, it hurts his stunted brain.

Metapod posted:

Trae Young is a top 10 pick imo

Be wary of his numbers though, he's taking a huge amount of shots to go along with a large amount of turnovers.

He'll still be great though.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009



Honestly college players shots aren't worth blocking.

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

Verhy old and rocky thoughts


Plaster Town Cop

JesusSinfulHands posted:

Yeah, looks like Towns is a guy who eventually developed his jump shot (Embiid too). Not having a 3-point shot right now isn't disqualifying for elite big men prospects at all, just that it should be projectable, and Bagley's jump shot right now in particular seems suspect given what I've seen of his highlights and his HS/college FT percentages.

What about the lack of blocked shots though.

Dunno really. Bamba is in the top 5 for his rim protection. Ayton and Bagley are more mobile and people might see that as more valuable. Shot blocking is one of the secret stats for athleticism in non bigs, for bigs it can mean different things

Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at Dec 6, 2017 around 20:27

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd


There's a premise in here that highly-touted prospects lose out on defensive emphasis, and while it is true that a bunch of DPOY candidates have been second-round type dudes, I think there's wayyy too many counterexamples for that to be a useful metric. (for all your Ben Wallaces and M. Gasols there's a Tyson Chandler and a Marcus Smart)

Very interesting though, seems like the beginning of an insight that might need some refining.

Also made me wonder-- is Anthony Davis considered an elite defender yet? Is his defense still a touch better than his offense? I really don't get to watch many Pelicans games so I got no idea

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Dejan Bimble posted:

Jayson Taytum shot 30% from three in his Duke 4 role. It's a shot that's team dependent for a lot of players.

But .849 from the line! College free throw shooting does appear predictive of one's ability to shoot since it isolates the player from the surrounding system

This is an additional fact not a correction

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008



Grimey Drawer

EvanTH posted:

Also made me wonder-- is Anthony Davis considered an elite defender yet? Is his defense still a touch better than his offense? I really don't get to watch many Pelicans games so I got no idea

Davis' offense is still miles better than his defense. Always has been. His defense became league average, imo, a couple years ago and he should be considered a good-to-great defender now. He can be an elite defender in spurts but has to save energy for the offensive end.

I think the biggest thing for him was learning how to cut off drives, stop falling for pump-fakes so often, and stop relying on length+athleticism to always bail out over-aggressive and/or lazy play.

Kibner fucked around with this message at Dec 6, 2017 around 20:46

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball.


How far can Porter realistically fall if we consider past top prospects losing out on their one and done seasons? He's not quite the talent Kyrie was coming out but the hype around him coming out of HS makes it seem like he's still solidly behind Bagley Jr in the #2 or 3 spot.

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

TRIGGERED BY COLLEGE SPORTS

Don't remind this retard that college sports are a scam, it hurts his stunted brain.

Porter has a definite chance to still play this year.

In fact I'd call it "likely", especially if Missouri makes the tournament.

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Doltos posted:

How far can Porter realistically fall if we consider past top prospects losing out on their one and done seasons? He's not quite the talent Kyrie was coming out but the hype around him coming out of HS makes it seem like he's still solidly behind Bagley Jr in the #2 or 3 spot.

Hey this is an easy one since my powerful mind can sorta kinda almost remember last year. Here's a mock draft from late June 2016:
https://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/29/n...on-jayson-tatum
it's more or less accurate, except for consensus number one choice Harry Giles who was ultimately taken 20th by the Kings after knee injury (injuries?)

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009



EvanTH posted:

Hey this is an easy one since my powerful mind can sorta kinda almost remember last year. Here's a mock draft from late June 2016:
https://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/29/n...on-jayson-tatum
it's more or less accurate, except for consensus number one choice Harry Giles who was ultimately taken 20th by the Kings after knee injury (injuries?)

Haha rip Markelle Fultz. It was a nice dream at least.

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball.


EvanTH posted:

Hey this is an easy one since my powerful mind can sorta kinda almost remember last year. Here's a mock draft from late June 2016:
https://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/29/n...on-jayson-tatum
it's more or less accurate, except for consensus number one choice Harry Giles who was ultimately taken 20th by the Kings after knee injury (injuries?)

I maintain that Josh Jackson is gonna be amazing in a year or two

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

other big inaccuracy in that mockup, in late 2016 the league got ahold of some higher quality VCRs and adjusted the tracking settings on the scout video of a European game in an empty gym where both coaches were chainsmoking and upon review of the film it turned out Isaiah Hartenstein wasn't black

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Doltos posted:

I maintain that Josh Jackson is gonna be amazing in a year or two

From what very little I've seen of him, I kinda agree. Hopefully Phoenix gets their coaching situation figured out. They should pay Chandler to retire and coach.

JesusSinfulHands
Oct 24, 2007
Sartre and Russell are my heroes

Dejan Bimble posted:

Dunno really. Bamba is in the top 5 for his rim protection. Ayton and Bagley are more mobile and people might see that as more valuable. Shot blocking is one of the secret stats for athleticism in non bigs, for bigs it can mean different things

Well Tjarks just put up a piece on the Ringer that goes into the argument why a center whos not getting blocks at the college level is so troubling.

quote:

Hereís the problem. A guy with Aytonís incredible physical tools should block a lot of shots, and he just doesnít. Heís much bigger and longer than the vast majority of the players he faces in college. If he just stands in front of the rim and waves his arms around, he should block shots by osmosis alone. Itís concerning, because centers who donít block shots in college have not fared well in the NBA. Ayton is blocking shots at a historically low rate for a future lottery pick. There have been 17 NCAA centers drafted in the top 10 since 2010, and Aytonís freshman year block rate is tied with Cody Zellerís for second-lowest among the players in that group. Ayton is averaging only 1.7 blocks per game, with a block rate of 4.3 percent, a full standard deviation under the group average of 8.1 percent. Greg Monroe is the only player who blocked fewer shots as a freshman. Ayton is even behind Jahlil Okafor, who had a block rate of 4.5 percent. Monroe and Okafor are not the company an athletic young center should be keeping.

Ayton doesnít play with much energy on defense. He rarely makes two efforts at contesting a shot, and heís not particularly diligent about getting himself involved in a play when it doesnít involve his man. I talked to one NBA scout who thinks the problem is that Ayton has a high-school mentality when it comes to defense, and that he is more concerned with winning his individual matchup statistically than filling his role in the Arizona system. You can draw a direct line from Aytonís lack of effort to the Wildcatsí defensive struggles this season. They have the no. 213-rated defense in the country, a shockingly low number for a team coached by a defensive-minded coach like Sean Miller.

https://www.theringer.com/2017/12/7..._source=twitter

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

why is he calling Block% "block rate"

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011



BLOCKS ARE NOT DEFENSE AAAARGHHGHGHHG

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

GarPax: "You Want it to be one way....but it's the other way."


Paul Zuvella posted:

BLOCKS ARE NOT DEFENSE AAAARGHHGHGHHG

I mean, yes they are. But I get your general sentiment.

NickRoweFillea
Sep 27, 2012

doin thangs


Whatís the website where you see the status of picks? I need to know about Memphisís picks

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011



NickRoweFillea posted:

Whatís the website where you see the status of picks? I need to know about Memphisís picks

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/d...drafts/detailed

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

The more I look into using college block% as an indicator for anything in the NBA the less good that argument against Ayton looks. There's a ton of counterexamples, especially if you expand it out past top 10 picks, look further back than 2010, or look at European picks. Number three block-getter in the NBA this season Kevin Durant had a college block% of 3.5. He should use some other metric

Salvor_Hardin
Sep 13, 2005

Coming in the club with that fresh shit on with something crazy on my arm


Pillbug

quote:

28. Boston Celtics

Khyri Thomas

This is too perfect.

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

Verhy old and rocky thoughts


Plaster Town Cop

JesusSinfulHands posted:

Well Tjarks just put up a piece on the Ringer that goes into the argument why a center whos not getting blocks at the college level is so troubling.


https://www.theringer.com/2017/12/7..._source=twitter

If you watch him play, he doesnt aggressively contend. He gets position and goes for the rebound. He might be a shot blocker if he's coached for a few years. Bagley is a rangy pf type so it makes sense that he'd have fewer blocks. Tjarks is just writing to write.

Look at Mohamed Bamba's blocks and how he wanders out of plays like a lost kitten. Watch as he recovers with boban speed, we're thinking upside baby , and all the projected top guys have lots to work on.

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EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

the first few seasons of defensive coaching for bigs in the NBA is usually about getting them to stop trying to block every shot maybe this is for the best

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