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EDITS: Official NBA Combine Measurements: http://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-anthro/#!?sort=WINGSPAN&dir=1 NBA Draft order: http://www.nba.com/article/2018/05/15/2018-draft-order https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=user?DraftExpress?videos Draftexpress videos http://www.nbadraft.net/ Easy profiles of most first round players and some second rounders http://www.thestepien.com Content baby, draft content, don't take it too seriously Draft is June 21st on ESPN Here's Givony's latest mock draft, not perfect but it's more or less what everyone is referring to as the consensus draft 2018 NBA mock draft - Picks for Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers, Philadelphia 76ers by Jonathan Givony on 2017-12-27 05:05:19 UTC (original: http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21590899/2018-nba-mock-draft-picks-chicago-bulls-cleveland-cavaliers-philadelphia-76ers) How has our 2018 mock draft changed after six weeks of NBA action and illuminating matchups for some of the top prospects? Here's our new look at the full first and second rounds, including a shake-up in the top five. ESPN's BPI was used to project draft order. 1. Chicago Bulls Luka Doncic Real Madrid Age: 18.7 PG Although Doncic is starting to feel some heat from a pair of collegiate big men making strong cases for No. 1 overall pick consideration, he's still in the midst of a historic season for an 18-year old international, averaging 25 points, nine rebounds and seven assists per 40 minutes with a 62 percent true shooting percentage. He would be able to help the hapless Bulls immediately at both the guard and the wing spots while likely manning the point full time. He looks like a good fit alongside the team's existing young pieces. Starting salary: $8,095,680 2. Phoenix Suns Marvin Bagley III Duke Freshman PF/C The Suns haven't gotten the type of results they hoped to see from their two top-10 big men drafted in 2016. They might start thinking about stockpiling more frontcourt talent, considering the options available to them here. Bagley is putting up historic numbers for an 18-year-old thus far while carrying No. 1 Duke to an undefeated record. His toughness, scoring instincts, budding skill set and upside make him a strong contender for the No. 1 pick. Starting salary: $7,243,440 3. Sacramento Kings Deandre Ayton Arizona Freshman C The Kings are still figuring out just how good their young frontcourt prospects are and might not be in a situation to pass on a "best talent available" type due to positional considerations. Ayton has adjusted quickly to college basketball. He is putting up huge numbers so far for an underachieving Arizona team. There are some concerns about his work ethic and defensive instincts, but there is no doubt about how talented he is overall. Starting salary: $6,504,600 4. Atlanta Hawks Michael Porter Jr. Missouri Freshman SF/PF The Hawks have rotated among starting the likes of Luke Babbitt, Ersan Ilyasova and Mike Muscala at power forward, which indicates that an upgrade could certainly be imminent. Michael Porter's ability to create offense and make shots from the perimeter will be attractive for a team that often struggles to score. His fit alongside promising youngsters John Collins and Taurean Prince is intriguing as well. Starting salary: $5,864,640 5. Cleveland Cavaliers (via Nets) Mohamed Bamba Texas Freshman C The Cavs don't have a real center on their roster and are in desperate need of young talent, which could lead them to swing for the fences on a prospect such as Bamba. He projects as an elite-level rim-protector with strong instincts as a rebounder. His offensive game is raw but shows promise. Starting salary: $5,310,720 Cleveland will receive Brooklyn's first-round pick unprotected. 6. Dallas Mavericks Robert Williams Texas A&M Sophomore PF/C With Nerlens Noel unlikely to be in Dallas' long-term plans and Dirk Nowitzki turning 40 in June, the Mavs will definitely be looking for a frontcourt player to build around. The Texas A&M sophomore is one of the best athletes in this draft, and he shows significant upside as a rim-protector, rebounder and finisher, while even flashing glimpses as a passer and shooter. Starting salary: $4,823,520 7. Philadelphia 76ers (via Lakers) Jaren Jackson Michigan State Freshman PF/C The Sixers don't appear to have any glaring needs at the moment, which could lead them to shop this pick for more established talent. Every team could use another long, athletic, rim-protecting, pick-and-roll-switching, 3-point-shooting big man such as Jackson, though, and his long-term upside is probably too high for him to fall much further than this. Starting salary: $4,403,280 Philadelphia will receive L.A.'s pick if it lands at No. 1 or Nos. 6-30. Otherwise, the pick goes to Boston. BPI projects that Philly has a 71.5 percent chance of getting this pick, with a 6.4 percent chance that it ends up No. 1. 8. Memphis Grizzlies Miles Bridges Michigan State Sophomore SF/PF The Grizzlies will be disappointed to find themselves among the 10 worst teams in the NBA, but they certainly have some needs to address with a high draft pick. One of them is the combo forward position, which has been a rotating cast of characters in Memphis for some time now. Bridges brings the type of athleticism, toughness and physicality the team could fall in love with. Starting salary: $4,033,800 9. Orlando Magic Collin Sexton Alabama Freshman PG The Magic have invested four years in incumbent starter Elfrid Payton, but his inability to shoot 3-pointers or free throws means it still isn't clear that he is a long-term answer at the position. Enter Sexton, the clear-cut best point guard prospect in the draft, who has been terrorizing NCAA defenses all season. (Doncic can play either backcourt position). His toughness, aggressiveness and competitiveness could fit in well on this roster. Starting salary: $3,708,120 10. LA Clippers Kevin Knox Kentucky Freshman SF/PF On a roster completely devoid of young talent, the Clippers won't be in a situation to think too much about positional needs. Knox has established himself as one of the best combo forward prospects in the draft, with his multi-positional defensive versatility, ability to stretch the floor and athleticism in the open court. Starting salary: $3,522,480 11. New York Knicks Dzanan Musa Cedevita Age: 18.5 SF The Knicks have a glaring hole at small forward, which could possibly be filled by a big scoring wing such as Musa, who has been putting up points at a historic rate, relative to his age, this season in the Adriatic League. Although his defense is a question mark, his ability to create his own shot, find the open man and make jumpers from all over the floor gives him a clear-cut niche as a bucket-getter at the NBA level. Starting salary: $3,346,560 12. Charlotte Hornets Mikal Bridges Villanova Junior SF The Hornets are still searching for long-term answers on the wing, where they've rotated a number of players in and out of the starting lineup all season, partially due to injuries. Bridges is an easy player to slot on almost any NBA roster, thanks to his multi-positional defensive versatility, 3-point shooting and role-player potential. Starting salary: $3,179,280 13. Phoenix Suns (via Heat) Trevon Duval Duke Freshman PG After trading Eric Bledsoe to the Bucks, the Suns have a clear-cut hole at point guard, which they'll be looking to fill this summer. Duval came into the season projected as the second-best point guard prospect in the draft, and he has yet to relinquish that standing. He has the size and length to defend either guard spot. He's also a dangerous weapon in the open floor and a willing passer who has been making the NCAA's most efficient offense flow, despite a clear-cut lack of spacing. Starting salary: $3,020,280 Phoenix will receive Miami's pick if it is outside the top seven. BPI projects that Phoenix has a 92.4 percent chance of landing this pick. 14. Indiana Pacers Lonnie Walker IV Miami Freshman SG The Pacers are exceeding expectations this season but still have some holes in their roster that they might look to fill long-term by drafting wisely. One of them is on the wing, where Walker could draw some interest with his combination of length, perimeter shooting and budding versatility on both ends of the floor. Walker has gotten off to a slow start coming off a knee injury and will need to play better to maintain this lofty projection. Starting salary: $2,869,320 15. New Orleans Pelicans Bruce Brown Miami Sophomore SG The Pelicans have one of the NBA's strongest frontcourts and could look to bolster their backcourt, where they've been far too reliant on Jrue Holiday and E'Twaun Moore. Brown isn't ultra talented, but he has won over NBA folks with his toughness, aggressiveness, two-way versatility and improving perimeter shooting. He started the season slowly, though he has been better as of late. Starting salary: $2,725,680 16. Utah Jazz Wendell Carter Jr. Duke Freshman C The Jazz's frontcourt depth has been tested with the injury to Rudy Gobert, and Derrick Favors' unrestricted free-agency status could cause the Jazz to explore adding another big man in the draft this summer. Carter has been overshadowed by Bagley to an extent, and he hasn't been able to show the same pick-and-roll finishing and perimeter shooting combo that intrigued NBA scouts going into the season. Nevertheless, he ticks a number of boxes that talent evaluators look for at his position, and he has plenty of upside to grow into. Starting salary: $2,589,480 17. Denver Nuggets Trae Young Oklahoma Freshman PG The Nuggets are still trying to figure out what their point guard rotation looks like long-term and could very well look to upgrade that position this summer. Trae Young burst into the NBA draft conversation by posting some of the best numbers in college basketball, regardless of the fact that he's only 19. His ability to navigate pick-and-rolls and make shots off the dribble is intriguing in a class so devoid of backcourt talent -- if he can sustain his impressive productivity. Starting salary: $2,460,000 18. Portland Trail Blazers Troy Brown Oregon Freshman SG The Blazers don't have much depth on the wing and could be looking to upgrade at that spot this summer. Brown is one of the most versatile players in the freshman class, with his ability to defend multiple positions, rebound and make plays for others, even if Oregon has been somewhat disappointing so far. Starting salary: $2,337,000 19. Milwaukee Bucks Anfernee Simons IMG Academy (HS) Age: 18.4 SG The Bucks have solid depth and could potentially afford to swing for the fences and select one of the most raw prospects in the class (but also one with significant upside). Simons is weighing skipping college altogether and would benefit from the lack of backcourt depth from which this draft suffers. He's a tremendous athlete who shows potential as a shot-creator and off-the-dribble jump-shooter, but he could likely benefit from gaining experience at the NCAA level due to his frail physique. Starting salary: $2,231,760 Phoenix will receive Milwaukee's pick if it lands in Nos. 11-16. BPI projects that Phoenix has a 31.3 percent chance of landing this pick. 20. Minnesota Timberwolves (via Thunder) Hamidou Diallo Kentucky Sophomore SG The Timberwolves have little to no depth on the wing, causing them to play stars Andrew Wiggins and Jimmy Butler nearly 74 combined minutes per game. They could look to pick a young, athletic wing such as Diallo and groom him into a defensive stopper who can hopefully make shots consistently, an area in which he has been streaky historically. Starting salary: $2,142,360 Minnesota will receive Oklahoma City's pick if it is outside the lottery. 21. Atlanta Hawks (via Timberwolves) Shake Milton SMU Junior PG/SG With the second of their three first-round picks, the Hawks might look to add some backcourt depth, specifically someone who can play behind or alongside incumbent starters Dennis Schroder and Kent Bazemore. A player such as Milton, who has the size and length to defend all three backcourt spots and can operate on or off the ball with a consistent outside shot, would make sense. Starting salary: $2,056,680 Atlanta will receive Minnesota's pick if it is outside the lottery. 22. Detroit Pistons Justin Jackson Maryland Sophomore SF/PF The Pistons, like every NBA team, could look to add depth to their combo-forward rotation, specifically someone who can operate off the ball, make jump shots and defend multiple positions. Jackson has gotten off to a slow start this season, but with his length and versatility, he checks a number of the boxes NBA talent evaluators look for. Starting salary: $1,974,480 23. Philadelphia 76ers Grayson Allen Duke Senior SG The Sixers probably won't be looking to add too many more young players to their stacked rotation, but they could always use more perimeter shooting prowess. Allen is a big-time shot-maker who should be ready to contribute fairly soon as one of the lone NCAA seniors projected to be picked in the first round. Starting salary: $1,895,520 24. Washington Wizards Mitchell Robinson College: None Freshman C With Marcin Gortat approaching 34 and the end of his contract next season, the Wizards might start to think about adding a young project big man they can develop down the road. Robinson is one of the most physically talented prospects in the draft, with impressive length, athleticism and shot-blocking instincts, but he is a long way away from contributing. The fact that he elected not to play college basketball this season won't help matters, but at some point in the draft, he's worth rolling the dice on. Starting salary: $1,819,800 25. Cleveland Cavaliers De'Anthony Melton USC Sophomore PG/SG Starting the likes of Jose Calderon, Dwyane Wade, Derrick Rose and Iman Shumpert at various points this season, the Cavs' backcourt is in need of an infusion of youth. Melton looked to be on the verge of a breakout season for USC before the FBI investigation shut him down indefinitely. His defensive versatility, toughness and intangibles make him a prospect worth investing in, regardless of whatever is next for the Cavs. Starting salary: $1,746,840 26. San Antonio Spurs Nick Richards Kentucky Freshman C With the Spurs' incumbent big man starters both in their mid 30s and no clear-cut successor in the waiting, it might make sense for San Antonio's front office to consider drafting a project center to develop long-term. Richards is fairly new to basketball, but he has enviable physical tools and shows enough potential as a rebounder, shot-blocker and finisher. Starting salary: $1,689,000 27. Brooklyn Nets (via Raptors) Chimezie Metu USC Junior PF/C The Nets' frontcourt is still a work in progress, with a host of characters getting minutes that might not be in their long-term plans. Metu looks the part physically, covers ground seamlessly, shows touch facing and with his back to the basket, and might have some untapped potential on the perimeter on both ends of the floor. Starting salary: $1,640,400 Brooklyn will receive Toronto's pick if it is outside the lottery. 28. Boston Celtics Khyri Thomas Creighton Junior SG The Celtics love long-armed, multipositional defenders who can make shots from the perimeter. Thomas has come on strong this season, continuing his impressive upward trajectory. Starting salary: $1,630,320 29. Atlanta Hawks (via Rockets) Tyus Battle Syracuse Sophomore SG/SF The Hawks are still figuring out their wing rotation long-term and could look to bolster that spot with additional depth. Battle looks the part physically and has shown potential as a scorer from different parts of the floor thus far in his college career. Starting salary: $1,618,320 Atlanta will receive Houston's pick if it is outside the top three. 30. Golden State Warriors Brandon McCoy UNLV Freshman C The Warriors might look to take advantage of the depth of this draft class in the frontcourt and add another rotation player at the center position. McCoy is putting up monster scoring and rebounding numbers as a freshman at UNLV while demonstrating some newfound shooting potential. Starting salary: $1,606,680 Round 2 31. Knicks (via Bulls) Aaron Holiday | Junior | UCLA | PG 32. Suns Rodions Kurucs | ACB/Euroleague | Barcelona | SF/PF 33. Kings Jalen Hudson | Junior | Florida | SG 34. Hawks Goga Bitadze | Adriatic | Mega Bemax | C 35. 76ers (via Nets) Austin Wiley | Sophomore | Auburn | C 36. Mavericks Arnoldas Kulboka | Italy /Champions League | Capo D'Orlando | SF 37. Magic (via Lakers) PJ Washington | Freshman | Kentucky | PF 38. Grizzlies Devonte' Graham | Senior | Kansas | PG 39. Nets (via Magic) Bonzie Colson | Senior | Notre Dame | PF 40. 76ers (via Clippers) Andrew Jones | Sophomore | Texas | PG/SG 41. Knicks Alize Johnson | Senior | Missouri State | PF 42. Suns (via Hornets) Chandler Hutchison | Senior | Boise State | SG 43. Rockets (via Heat) Jacob Evans | Junior | Cincinnati | SF 44. Nets (via Pacers) V.J. King | Sophomore | Louisville | SF 45. Bulls (via Pelicans) Allonzo Trier | Junior | Arizona | SG 46. Jazz Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk | Senior | Kansas | SG 47. Lakers (via Nuggets) Ray Spalding Junior Louisville 6'10" PF 48. Nuggets (via Blazers) Ethan Happ | Junior | Wisconsin | PF/C 49. Suns (via Bucks) Vincent Edwards | Senior | Purdue | SF 50. Thunder Moritz Wagner | Junior | Michigan | C 51. Wolves Aleksa Radanov | Adriatic | FMP | SG 52. Pistons Kostja Mushidi | Adriatic | Mega Bemax | SG 53. 76ers Rawle Alkins | Sophomore | Arizona | SG 54. Wizards Scraped at insider2text.xyz, brought to you by HeheStreams — No ads, No Bullshit Live & On-Demand NBA, NFL, MLB, and NHL Streaming Malik Pope | Senior | San Diego State | SF 55. Hornets (via Cavs) Isaac Haas | Senior | Purdue | C 56. Spurs Keita Bates-Diop | Senior | Ohio St | SF 57. Suns (via Raptors) Johnathan Williams | Senior | Gonzaga | PF 58. Thunder (via Celtics) Jevon Carter | Senior | West Virginia | PG 59. 76ers (via Rockets) Karim Jallow | Germany | Bayern Muenchen II | SF 60. Nuggets (via Warriors) Maximo Fjellerup | Argentina | Bahia Blanca | SF/PF Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jun 16, 2018 |
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So Doncic, Porter, Bagley, Bamba, and Ayton seems like a solid top 5, then the drop-off begins?
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R.D. Mangles posted:whoever the bulls pick is gonna bust How much cash do you think you could get for a really high pick? Asking for a friend.
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Bobby Digital posted:How much cash do you think you could get for a really high pick? Asking for a friend. bulls know they can't sell this one, they're going to take a senior who played really well in the NCAA Tournament
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R.D. Mangles posted:bulls know they can't sell this one, they're going to take a senior who played really well in the NCAA Tournament 
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nixon: jesus christ
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https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/realgm-radio/id735263060?mt=2#episodeGuid=d0e6a83cfcea3c7a98bcb3b67b8eb28e A good early season draft pod episode
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Are there available searchable rate stats for college ball? I can only ever find totals and per game stats
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EvanTH posted:Are there available searchable rate stats for college ball? I can only ever find totals and per game stats b-ref has per 100 possessions stats for ncaa players
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Why do Bagley and Ayton not block any shots at the collegiate level? Neither currently projects to be a good 3-point shooter either. Shouldn't that be a cause for concern for big guys going in the top 5?
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Bagley is so dynamic you build a team around him to cover his deficiencies. That's the argument. The other guy I don't know.
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Dejan Bimble posted:b-ref has per 100 possessions stats for ncaa players They have those stats listed on their player pages, but I don't think it's overall sortable/searchable? Not seeing a way to come at it through the Finder page -- https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/play-index/psl_finder.cgi I want to browse over over stuff like what freshman is getting the most steals per 100 and things like that, and it doesn't seem possible with that current setup
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JesusSinfulHands posted:Why do Bagley and Ayton not block any shots at the collegiate level? Neither currently projects to be a good 3-point shooter either. Shouldn't that be a cause for concern for big guys going in the top 5? Karl Towns didn't shoot threes in college, but he was great at shooting midrange jumpers and had a good ft%, it's something bigs can add. If they only drafted bigs who shot threes in the top of the lottery you'd have Ben Bentil and other lackluster stretch bigs elbowing out much more talented players. A year in college with maybe 10 games where they match up with decent players is a small sample, so a lot of assumptions come from camps and workouts and all that stuff. In the ncaa, a lot of teams just don't bother or aren't able to run shooters off the line. It's had to project, Jayson Taytum shot 30% from three in his Duke 4 role. It's a shot that's team dependent for a lot of players. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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Dec 6, 2017 21:04
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Dejan Bimble posted:Karl Towns didn't shoot threes in college, but he was great at shooting midrange jumpers and had a good ft%, it's something bigs can add. If they only drafted bigs who shot threes in the top of the lottery you'd have Ben Bentil and other lackluster stretch bigs elbowing out much more talented players. Yeah, looks like Towns is a guy who eventually developed his jump shot (Embiid too). Not having a 3-point shot right now isn't disqualifying for elite big men prospects at all, just that it should be projectable, and Bagley's jump shot right now in particular seems suspect given what I've seen of his highlights and his HS/college FT percentages. What about the lack of blocked shots though.
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Metapod posted:Trae Young is a top 10 pick imo Be wary of his numbers though, he's taking a huge amount of shots to go along with a large amount of turnovers. He'll still be great though.
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Honestly college players shots aren't worth blocking.
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JesusSinfulHands posted:Yeah, looks like Towns is a guy who eventually developed his jump shot (Embiid too). Not having a 3-point shot right now isn't disqualifying for elite big men prospects at all, just that it should be projectable, and Bagley's jump shot right now in particular seems suspect given what I've seen of his highlights and his HS/college FT percentages. Dunno really. Bamba is in the top 5 for his rim protection. Ayton and Bagley are more mobile and people might see that as more valuable. Shot blocking is one of the secret stats for athleticism in non bigs, for bigs it can mean different things Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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euphronius posted:https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/realgm-radio/id735263060?mt=2#episodeGuid=d0e6a83cfcea3c7a98bcb3b67b8eb28e There's a premise in here that highly-touted prospects lose out on defensive emphasis, and while it is true that a bunch of DPOY candidates have been second-round type dudes, I think there's wayyy too many counterexamples for that to be a useful metric. (for all your Ben Wallaces and M. Gasols there's a Tyson Chandler and a Marcus Smart) Very interesting though, seems like the beginning of an insight that might need some refining. Also made me wonder-- is Anthony Davis considered an elite defender yet? Is his defense still a touch better than his offense? I really don't get to watch many Pelicans games so I got no idea
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Dejan Bimble posted:Jayson Taytum shot 30% from three in his Duke 4 role. It's a shot that's team dependent for a lot of players. But .849 from the line! College free throw shooting does appear predictive of one's ability to shoot since it isolates the player from the surrounding system This is an additional fact not a correction
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EvanTH posted:Also made me wonder-- is Anthony Davis considered an elite defender yet? Is his defense still a touch better than his offense? I really don't get to watch many Pelicans games so I got no idea Davis' offense is still miles better than his defense. Always has been. His defense became league average, imo, a couple years ago and he should be considered a good-to-great defender now. He can be an elite defender in spurts but has to save energy for the offensive end. I think the biggest thing for him was learning how to cut off drives, stop falling for pump-fakes so often, and stop relying on length+athleticism to always bail out over-aggressive and/or lazy play. Kibner fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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How far can Porter realistically fall if we consider past top prospects losing out on their one and done seasons? He's not quite the talent Kyrie was coming out but the hype around him coming out of HS makes it seem like he's still solidly behind Bagley Jr in the #2 or 3 spot.
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Porter has a definite chance to still play this year. In fact I'd call it "likely", especially if Missouri makes the tournament.
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Doltos posted:How far can Porter realistically fall if we consider past top prospects losing out on their one and done seasons? He's not quite the talent Kyrie was coming out but the hype around him coming out of HS makes it seem like he's still solidly behind Bagley Jr in the #2 or 3 spot. Hey this is an easy one since my powerful mind can sorta kinda almost remember last year. Here's a mock draft from late June 2016: https://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/29/nba-draft-2017-prospects-harry-giles-josh-jackson-jayson-tatum it's more or less accurate, except for consensus number one choice Harry Giles who was ultimately taken 20th by the Kings after knee injury (injuries?)
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EvanTH posted:Hey this is an easy one since my powerful mind can sorta kinda almost remember last year. Here's a mock draft from late June 2016: Haha rip Markelle Fultz. It was a nice dream at least.
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EvanTH posted:Hey this is an easy one since my powerful mind can sorta kinda almost remember last year. Here's a mock draft from late June 2016: I maintain that Josh Jackson is gonna be amazing in a year or two
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other big inaccuracy in that mockup, in late 2016 the league got ahold of some higher quality VCRs and adjusted the tracking settings on the scout video of a European game in an empty gym where both coaches were chainsmoking and upon review of the film it turned out Isaiah Hartenstein wasn't black
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Doltos posted:I maintain that Josh Jackson is gonna be amazing in a year or two From what very little I've seen of him, I kinda agree. Hopefully Phoenix gets their coaching situation figured out. They should pay Chandler to retire and coach.
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Dejan Bimble posted:Dunno really. Bamba is in the top 5 for his rim protection. Ayton and Bagley are more mobile and people might see that as more valuable. Shot blocking is one of the secret stats for athleticism in non bigs, for bigs it can mean different things Well Tjarks just put up a piece on the Ringer that goes into the argument why a center whos not getting blocks at the college level is so troubling. quote:Here’s the problem. A guy with Ayton’s incredible physical tools should block a lot of shots, and he just doesn’t. He’s much bigger and longer than the vast majority of the players he faces in college. If he just stands in front of the rim and waves his arms around, he should block shots by osmosis alone. It’s concerning, because centers who don’t block shots in college have not fared well in the NBA. Ayton is blocking shots at a historically low rate for a future lottery pick. There have been 17 NCAA centers drafted in the top 10 since 2010, and Ayton’s freshman year block rate is tied with Cody Zeller’s for second-lowest among the players in that group. Ayton is averaging only 1.7 blocks per game, with a block rate of 4.3 percent, a full standard deviation under the group average of 8.1 percent. Greg Monroe is the only player who blocked fewer shots as a freshman. Ayton is even behind Jahlil Okafor, who had a block rate of 4.5 percent. Monroe and Okafor are not the company an athletic young center should be keeping. https://www.theringer.com/2017/12/7..._source=twitter
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BLOCKS ARE NOT DEFENSE AAAARGHHGHGHHG
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Paul Zuvella posted:BLOCKS ARE NOT DEFENSE AAAARGHHGHGHHG I mean, yes they are. But I get your general sentiment.
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What’s the website where you see the status of picks? I need to know about Memphis’s picks
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NickRoweFillea posted:What’s the website where you see the status of picks? I need to know about Memphis’s picks https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
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The more I look into using college block% as an indicator for anything in the NBA the less good that argument against Ayton looks. There's a ton of counterexamples, especially if you expand it out past top 10 picks, look further back than 2010, or look at European picks. Number three block-getter in the NBA this season Kevin Durant had a college block% of 3.5. He should use some other metric
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quote:28. Boston Celtics This is too perfect.
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JesusSinfulHands posted:Well Tjarks just put up a piece on the Ringer that goes into the argument why a center whos not getting blocks at the college level is so troubling. If you watch him play, he doesnt aggressively contend. He gets position and goes for the rebound. He might be a shot blocker if he's coached for a few years. Bagley is a rangy pf type so it makes sense that he'd have fewer blocks. Tjarks is just writing to write. Look at Mohamed Bamba's blocks and how he wanders out of plays like a lost kitten. Watch as he recovers with boban speed, we're thinking upside baby , and all the projected top guys have lots to work on.
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the first few seasons of defensive coaching for bigs in the NBA is usually about getting them to stop trying to block every shot maybe this is for the best
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