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EDITS: Official NBA Combine Measurements: http://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-anthro/#!?sort=WINGSPAN&dir=1 NBA Draft order: http://www.nba.com/article/2018/05/15/2018-draft-order https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=user?DraftExpress?videos Draftexpress videos http://www.nbadraft.net/ Easy profiles of most first round players and some second rounders http://www.thestepien.com Content baby, draft content, don't take it too seriously Draft is June 21st on ESPN Here's Givony's latest mock draft, not perfect but it's more or less what everyone is referring to as the consensus draft 2018 NBA mock draft - Picks for Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers, Philadelphia 76ers by Jonathan Givony on 2017-12-27 05:05:19 UTC (original: http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21590899/2018-nba-mock-draft-picks-chicago-bulls-cleveland-cavaliers-philadelphia-76ers) How has our 2018 mock draft changed after six weeks of NBA action and illuminating matchups for some of the top prospects? Here's our new look at the full first and second rounds, including a shake-up in the top five. ESPN's BPI was used to project draft order. 1. Chicago Bulls Luka Doncic Real Madrid Age: 18.7 PG Although Doncic is starting to feel some heat from a pair of collegiate big men making strong cases for No. 1 overall pick consideration, he's still in the midst of a historic season for an 18-year old international, averaging 25 points, nine rebounds and seven assists per 40 minutes with a 62 percent true shooting percentage. He would be able to help the hapless Bulls immediately at both the guard and the wing spots while likely manning the point full time. He looks like a good fit alongside the team's existing young pieces. Starting salary: $8,095,680 2. Phoenix Suns Marvin Bagley III Duke Freshman PF/C The Suns haven't gotten the type of results they hoped to see from their two top-10 big men drafted in 2016. They might start thinking about stockpiling more frontcourt talent, considering the options available to them here. Bagley is putting up historic numbers for an 18-year-old thus far while carrying No. 1 Duke to an undefeated record. His toughness, scoring instincts, budding skill set and upside make him a strong contender for the No. 1 pick. Starting salary: $7,243,440 3. Sacramento Kings Deandre Ayton Arizona Freshman C The Kings are still figuring out just how good their young frontcourt prospects are and might not be in a situation to pass on a "best talent available" type due to positional considerations. Ayton has adjusted quickly to college basketball. He is putting up huge numbers so far for an underachieving Arizona team. There are some concerns about his work ethic and defensive instincts, but there is no doubt about how talented he is overall. Starting salary: $6,504,600 4. Atlanta Hawks Michael Porter Jr. Missouri Freshman SF/PF The Hawks have rotated among starting the likes of Luke Babbitt, Ersan Ilyasova and Mike Muscala at power forward, which indicates that an upgrade could certainly be imminent. Michael Porter's ability to create offense and make shots from the perimeter will be attractive for a team that often struggles to score. His fit alongside promising youngsters John Collins and Taurean Prince is intriguing as well. Starting salary: $5,864,640 5. Cleveland Cavaliers (via Nets) Mohamed Bamba Texas Freshman C The Cavs don't have a real center on their roster and are in desperate need of young talent, which could lead them to swing for the fences on a prospect such as Bamba. He projects as an elite-level rim-protector with strong instincts as a rebounder. His offensive game is raw but shows promise. Starting salary: $5,310,720 Cleveland will receive Brooklyn's first-round pick unprotected. 6. Dallas Mavericks Robert Williams Texas A&M Sophomore PF/C With Nerlens Noel unlikely to be in Dallas' long-term plans and Dirk Nowitzki turning 40 in June, the Mavs will definitely be looking for a frontcourt player to build around. The Texas A&M sophomore is one of the best athletes in this draft, and he shows significant upside as a rim-protector, rebounder and finisher, while even flashing glimpses as a passer and shooter. Starting salary: $4,823,520 7. Philadelphia 76ers (via Lakers) Jaren Jackson Michigan State Freshman PF/C The Sixers don't appear to have any glaring needs at the moment, which could lead them to shop this pick for more established talent. Every team could use another long, athletic, rim-protecting, pick-and-roll-switching, 3-point-shooting big man such as Jackson, though, and his long-term upside is probably too high for him to fall much further than this. Starting salary: $4,403,280 Philadelphia will receive L.A.'s pick if it lands at No. 1 or Nos. 6-30. Otherwise, the pick goes to Boston. BPI projects that Philly has a 71.5 percent chance of getting this pick, with a 6.4 percent chance that it ends up No. 1. 8. Memphis Grizzlies Miles Bridges Michigan State Sophomore SF/PF The Grizzlies will be disappointed to find themselves among the 10 worst teams in the NBA, but they certainly have some needs to address with a high draft pick. One of them is the combo forward position, which has been a rotating cast of characters in Memphis for some time now. Bridges brings the type of athleticism, toughness and physicality the team could fall in love with. Starting salary: $4,033,800 9. Orlando Magic Collin Sexton Alabama Freshman PG The Magic have invested four years in incumbent starter Elfrid Payton, but his inability to shoot 3-pointers or free throws means it still isn't clear that he is a long-term answer at the position. Enter Sexton, the clear-cut best point guard prospect in the draft, who has been terrorizing NCAA defenses all season. (Doncic can play either backcourt position). His toughness, aggressiveness and competitiveness could fit in well on this roster. Starting salary: $3,708,120 10. LA Clippers Kevin Knox Kentucky Freshman SF/PF On a roster completely devoid of young talent, the Clippers won't be in a situation to think too much about positional needs. Knox has established himself as one of the best combo forward prospects in the draft, with his multi-positional defensive versatility, ability to stretch the floor and athleticism in the open court. Starting salary: $3,522,480 11. New York Knicks Dzanan Musa Cedevita Age: 18.5 SF The Knicks have a glaring hole at small forward, which could possibly be filled by a big scoring wing such as Musa, who has been putting up points at a historic rate, relative to his age, this season in the Adriatic League. Although his defense is a question mark, his ability to create his own shot, find the open man and make jumpers from all over the floor gives him a clear-cut niche as a bucket-getter at the NBA level. Starting salary: $3,346,560 12. Charlotte Hornets Mikal Bridges Villanova Junior SF The Hornets are still searching for long-term answers on the wing, where they've rotated a number of players in and out of the starting lineup all season, partially due to injuries. Bridges is an easy player to slot on almost any NBA roster, thanks to his multi-positional defensive versatility, 3-point shooting and role-player potential. Starting salary: $3,179,280 13. Phoenix Suns (via Heat) Trevon Duval Duke Freshman PG After trading Eric Bledsoe to the Bucks, the Suns have a clear-cut hole at point guard, which they'll be looking to fill this summer. Duval came into the season projected as the second-best point guard prospect in the draft, and he has yet to relinquish that standing. He has the size and length to defend either guard spot. He's also a dangerous weapon in the open floor and a willing passer who has been making the NCAA's most efficient offense flow, despite a clear-cut lack of spacing. Starting salary: $3,020,280 Phoenix will receive Miami's pick if it is outside the top seven. BPI projects that Phoenix has a 92.4 percent chance of landing this pick. 14. Indiana Pacers Lonnie Walker IV Miami Freshman SG The Pacers are exceeding expectations this season but still have some holes in their roster that they might look to fill long-term by drafting wisely. One of them is on the wing, where Walker could draw some interest with his combination of length, perimeter shooting and budding versatility on both ends of the floor. Walker has gotten off to a slow start coming off a knee injury and will need to play better to maintain this lofty projection. Starting salary: $2,869,320 15. New Orleans Pelicans Bruce Brown Miami Sophomore SG The Pelicans have one of the NBA's strongest frontcourts and could look to bolster their backcourt, where they've been far too reliant on Jrue Holiday and E'Twaun Moore. Brown isn't ultra talented, but he has won over NBA folks with his toughness, aggressiveness, two-way versatility and improving perimeter shooting. He started the season slowly, though he has been better as of late. Starting salary: $2,725,680 16. Utah Jazz Wendell Carter Jr. Duke Freshman C The Jazz's frontcourt depth has been tested with the injury to Rudy Gobert, and Derrick Favors' unrestricted free-agency status could cause the Jazz to explore adding another big man in the draft this summer. Carter has been overshadowed by Bagley to an extent, and he hasn't been able to show the same pick-and-roll finishing and perimeter shooting combo that intrigued NBA scouts going into the season. Nevertheless, he ticks a number of boxes that talent evaluators look for at his position, and he has plenty of upside to grow into. Starting salary: $2,589,480 17. Denver Nuggets Trae Young Oklahoma Freshman PG The Nuggets are still trying to figure out what their point guard rotation looks like long-term and could very well look to upgrade that position this summer. Trae Young burst into the NBA draft conversation by posting some of the best numbers in college basketball, regardless of the fact that he's only 19. His ability to navigate pick-and-rolls and make shots off the dribble is intriguing in a class so devoid of backcourt talent -- if he can sustain his impressive productivity. Starting salary: $2,460,000 18. Portland Trail Blazers Troy Brown Oregon Freshman SG The Blazers don't have much depth on the wing and could be looking to upgrade at that spot this summer. Brown is one of the most versatile players in the freshman class, with his ability to defend multiple positions, rebound and make plays for others, even if Oregon has been somewhat disappointing so far. Starting salary: $2,337,000 19. Milwaukee Bucks Anfernee Simons IMG Academy (HS) Age: 18.4 SG The Bucks have solid depth and could potentially afford to swing for the fences and select one of the most raw prospects in the class (but also one with significant upside). Simons is weighing skipping college altogether and would benefit from the lack of backcourt depth from which this draft suffers. He's a tremendous athlete who shows potential as a shot-creator and off-the-dribble jump-shooter, but he could likely benefit from gaining experience at the NCAA level due to his frail physique. Starting salary: $2,231,760 Phoenix will receive Milwaukee's pick if it lands in Nos. 11-16. BPI projects that Phoenix has a 31.3 percent chance of landing this pick. 20. Minnesota Timberwolves (via Thunder) Hamidou Diallo Kentucky Sophomore SG The Timberwolves have little to no depth on the wing, causing them to play stars Andrew Wiggins and Jimmy Butler nearly 74 combined minutes per game. They could look to pick a young, athletic wing such as Diallo and groom him into a defensive stopper who can hopefully make shots consistently, an area in which he has been streaky historically. Starting salary: $2,142,360 Minnesota will receive Oklahoma City's pick if it is outside the lottery. 21. Atlanta Hawks (via Timberwolves) Shake Milton SMU Junior PG/SG With the second of their three first-round picks, the Hawks might look to add some backcourt depth, specifically someone who can play behind or alongside incumbent starters Dennis Schroder and Kent Bazemore. A player such as Milton, who has the size and length to defend all three backcourt spots and can operate on or off the ball with a consistent outside shot, would make sense. Starting salary: $2,056,680 Atlanta will receive Minnesota's pick if it is outside the lottery. 22. Detroit Pistons Justin Jackson Maryland Sophomore SF/PF The Pistons, like every NBA team, could look to add depth to their combo-forward rotation, specifically someone who can operate off the ball, make jump shots and defend multiple positions. Jackson has gotten off to a slow start this season, but with his length and versatility, he checks a number of the boxes NBA talent evaluators look for. Starting salary: $1,974,480 23. Philadelphia 76ers Grayson Allen Duke Senior SG The Sixers probably won't be looking to add too many more young players to their stacked rotation, but they could always use more perimeter shooting prowess. Allen is a big-time shot-maker who should be ready to contribute fairly soon as one of the lone NCAA seniors projected to be picked in the first round. Starting salary: $1,895,520 24. Washington Wizards Mitchell Robinson College: None Freshman C With Marcin Gortat approaching 34 and the end of his contract next season, the Wizards might start to think about adding a young project big man they can develop down the road. Robinson is one of the most physically talented prospects in the draft, with impressive length, athleticism and shot-blocking instincts, but he is a long way away from contributing. The fact that he elected not to play college basketball this season won't help matters, but at some point in the draft, he's worth rolling the dice on. Starting salary: $1,819,800 25. Cleveland Cavaliers De'Anthony Melton USC Sophomore PG/SG Starting the likes of Jose Calderon, Dwyane Wade, Derrick Rose and Iman Shumpert at various points this season, the Cavs' backcourt is in need of an infusion of youth. Melton looked to be on the verge of a breakout season for USC before the FBI investigation shut him down indefinitely. His defensive versatility, toughness and intangibles make him a prospect worth investing in, regardless of whatever is next for the Cavs. Starting salary: $1,746,840 26. San Antonio Spurs Nick Richards Kentucky Freshman C With the Spurs' incumbent big man starters both in their mid 30s and no clear-cut successor in the waiting, it might make sense for San Antonio's front office to consider drafting a project center to develop long-term. Richards is fairly new to basketball, but he has enviable physical tools and shows enough potential as a rebounder, shot-blocker and finisher. Starting salary: $1,689,000 27. Brooklyn Nets (via Raptors) Chimezie Metu USC Junior PF/C The Nets' frontcourt is still a work in progress, with a host of characters getting minutes that might not be in their long-term plans. Metu looks the part physically, covers ground seamlessly, shows touch facing and with his back to the basket, and might have some untapped potential on the perimeter on both ends of the floor. Starting salary: $1,640,400 Brooklyn will receive Toronto's pick if it is outside the lottery. 28. Boston Celtics Khyri Thomas Creighton Junior SG The Celtics love long-armed, multipositional defenders who can make shots from the perimeter. Thomas has come on strong this season, continuing his impressive upward trajectory. Starting salary: $1,630,320 29. Atlanta Hawks (via Rockets) Tyus Battle Syracuse Sophomore SG/SF The Hawks are still figuring out their wing rotation long-term and could look to bolster that spot with additional depth. Battle looks the part physically and has shown potential as a scorer from different parts of the floor thus far in his college career. Starting salary: $1,618,320 Atlanta will receive Houston's pick if it is outside the top three. 30. Golden State Warriors Brandon McCoy UNLV Freshman C The Warriors might look to take advantage of the depth of this draft class in the frontcourt and add another rotation player at the center position. McCoy is putting up monster scoring and rebounding numbers as a freshman at UNLV while demonstrating some newfound shooting potential. Starting salary: $1,606,680 Round 2 31. Knicks (via Bulls) Aaron Holiday | Junior | UCLA | PG 32. Suns Rodions Kurucs | ACB/Euroleague | Barcelona | SF/PF 33. Kings Jalen Hudson | Junior | Florida | SG 34. Hawks Goga Bitadze | Adriatic | Mega Bemax | C 35. 76ers (via Nets) Austin Wiley | Sophomore | Auburn | C 36. Mavericks Arnoldas Kulboka | Italy /Champions League | Capo D'Orlando | SF 37. Magic (via Lakers) PJ Washington | Freshman | Kentucky | PF 38. Grizzlies Devonte' Graham | Senior | Kansas | PG 39. Nets (via Magic) Bonzie Colson | Senior | Notre Dame | PF 40. 76ers (via Clippers) Andrew Jones | Sophomore | Texas | PG/SG 41. Knicks Alize Johnson | Senior | Missouri State | PF 42. Suns (via Hornets) Chandler Hutchison | Senior | Boise State | SG 43. Rockets (via Heat) Jacob Evans | Junior | Cincinnati | SF 44. Nets (via Pacers) V.J. King | Sophomore | Louisville | SF 45. Bulls (via Pelicans) Allonzo Trier | Junior | Arizona | SG 46. Jazz Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk | Senior | Kansas | SG 47. Lakers (via Nuggets) Ray Spalding Junior Louisville 6'10" PF 48. Nuggets (via Blazers) Ethan Happ | Junior | Wisconsin | PF/C 49. Suns (via Bucks) Vincent Edwards | Senior | Purdue | SF 50. Thunder Moritz Wagner | Junior | Michigan | C 51. Wolves Aleksa Radanov | Adriatic | FMP | SG 52. Pistons Kostja Mushidi | Adriatic | Mega Bemax | SG 53. 76ers Rawle Alkins | Sophomore | Arizona | SG 54. Wizards Scraped at insider2text.xyz, brought to you by HeheStreams — No ads, No Bullshit Live & On-Demand NBA, NFL, MLB, and NHL Streaming Malik Pope | Senior | San Diego State | SF 55. Hornets (via Cavs) Isaac Haas | Senior | Purdue | C 56. Spurs Keita Bates-Diop | Senior | Ohio St | SF 57. Suns (via Raptors) Johnathan Williams | Senior | Gonzaga | PF 58. Thunder (via Celtics) Jevon Carter | Senior | West Virginia | PG 59. 76ers (via Rockets) Karim Jallow | Germany | Bayern Muenchen II | SF 60. Nuggets (via Warriors) Maximo Fjellerup | Argentina | Bahia Blanca | SF/PF Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jun 16, 2018 |
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EvanTH posted:Are there available searchable rate stats for college ball? I can only ever find totals and per game stats b-ref has per 100 possessions stats for ncaa players
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JesusSinfulHands posted:Why do Bagley and Ayton not block any shots at the collegiate level? Neither currently projects to be a good 3-point shooter either. Shouldn't that be a cause for concern for big guys going in the top 5? Karl Towns didn't shoot threes in college, but he was great at shooting midrange jumpers and had a good ft%, it's something bigs can add. If they only drafted bigs who shot threes in the top of the lottery you'd have Ben Bentil and other lackluster stretch bigs elbowing out much more talented players. A year in college with maybe 10 games where they match up with decent players is a small sample, so a lot of assumptions come from camps and workouts and all that stuff. In the ncaa, a lot of teams just don't bother or aren't able to run shooters off the line. It's had to project, Jayson Taytum shot 30% from three in his Duke 4 role. It's a shot that's team dependent for a lot of players. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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JesusSinfulHands posted:Yeah, looks like Towns is a guy who eventually developed his jump shot (Embiid too). Not having a 3-point shot right now isn't disqualifying for elite big men prospects at all, just that it should be projectable, and Bagley's jump shot right now in particular seems suspect given what I've seen of his highlights and his HS/college FT percentages. Dunno really. Bamba is in the top 5 for his rim protection. Ayton and Bagley are more mobile and people might see that as more valuable. Shot blocking is one of the secret stats for athleticism in non bigs, for bigs it can mean different things Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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JesusSinfulHands posted:Well Tjarks just put up a piece on the Ringer that goes into the argument why a center whos not getting blocks at the college level is so troubling. If you watch him play, he doesnt aggressively contend. He gets position and goes for the rebound. He might be a shot blocker if he's coached for a few years. Bagley is a rangy pf type so it makes sense that he'd have fewer blocks. Tjarks is just writing to write. Look at Mohamed Bamba's blocks and how he wanders out of plays like a lost kitten. Watch as he recovers with boban speed, we're thinking upside baby , and all the projected top guys have lots to work on.
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C. Everett Koop posted:how the gently caress is grayson allen gonna go in the first round to anybody He's pretty good at basketball
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kiimo posted:He lacks a natural position in the NBA and struggles to score against elite players but then again I could see him being a major scorer in the right situation. He's a bit of a jack of all trades, he can shoot on the catch and off the dribble, he can get to the rim and convert well against college players, he has a decent handle and he passes from time to time. He's small and slow for his position. His success in the NBA will rest on his situation and how he adjusts to NBA length and speed, which as you noted he's somewhat struggled to do in college, but that's a normal caveat for a late first round pick with his pedigree. I don't love or hate him, but guys with his profile have become decent NBA players before, and they've also busted. I'd rather have someone else, but I wouldn't begrudge choosing him late enough.
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JesusSinfulHands posted:Well Tjarks just put up a piece on the Ringer that goes into the argument why a center whos not getting blocks at the college level is so troubling. I want to apologize for being so dismissive. To put my thoughts in fairer terms, the fact that he freelances and just fucks off on defense is not good in any way, that he plays bad interior defense is bad. But he can match up with almost anyone laterally and backpedalling from the perimeter, which is an incredible thing for a 6'10 guy. The hope is that he'll learn how to play defense and improve his jumper on offense.
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Trae Young's extra long threes break defenses like Curry's did. He's small, but he looks more talented than everyone else almost all the time. He's shooting about 3% less than Curry at the same age and maybe a slightly higher level of competition. College teams are better at guarding the line than they were in 2012, when they often wouldn't, and many teams try but simply cannot, but they try. Probably has similar questions to other players like him, will he look as good against NBA length/athleticism, how will he function as part of a team and not as an incredibly ball dominant man with a whole offense revolving around him, will he be able to finish, will he continue to grow his hair, etc I enjoy watching him, he looks like our just retired friend Matt Barnes, with large sections of arm and torso removed, making the timing of all this curious. If Matt Barnes has somehow shrunken his body while using the disused tissue as a potion to make his new self more vigorous and ball dominant, that would be interesting.
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Hopefully he'll be the slightly bigger version of what Andrew Wiggins was supposed to be. I've watched him at one National team scrimmage? Something like that on a stream thing and I don't like to pay attention to guys before college, but the word on the street is that he's more of a smooth scoring wing than a hyper athlete freak like Wiggins Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jan 2, 2018 |
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Marvin Bagley Jr is a perimeter oriented Mikki Moore
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xbilkis posted:I agree that a big man seems like the most obvious fit for Boston, but Brad Stevens helming an offense that runs out Kyrie, Doncic, Tatum and Hayward sounds extremely cool to me Bagley is probably a good fit for Boston, he can focus on help and weakside stuff and learn how to play defense at 5. He has a ton to learn, but they're so good at putting players in a position to succeed. He could look terrible on another team
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Rick posted:I finally got my schedule together and it's ugly and not very appealing. Last year I was lucky and a lot of the prospects were playing each other in big games, but this year, not so much. There's probably a legit stream for it that's decent but I just use http://ifirstrowus.eu/sport/basketball.html For euro games
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Doltos posted:Is it just me or does Luka Doncic have huge floppy feet and whenever he moves it looks like he's not nimble at all because of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lWy9fG5Wls&t=69s Check out this slow mo He's got bad posture, so he gets almost no sink or power from his butt and hips, so he has to thud his knees, ankles, feet to move. It really worries me injury wise. The awkwardness seemingly does help him get around defenders, ala ginobli, but ginobli has spent half of his NBA career not playing.
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ButtWolf posted:Good point. Maybe I'm just trying to see bad stuff now, but his shot also looks weird. Not like Lonzo bad, just like a high schooler trying to get it up there. Could be cause its 35ft out though. Im just sick of getting my hopes up on OU and OSU guys only to be disappointed. Trae Young only uses that waist release for his 50 footers. His release at the line is higher and more compact. It's not as high and fast as Curry, and he's 2 inches shorter, but his jumper is nice, he can get to the basket, and pass. I get your point though, there are plays when you mentally swap out his defender for someone with NBA length and agility and he probably doesn't get around his man or his release is much more bothered. It's weird seeing these young players who've been imitating Curry/Harden as barely-teens now playing in the NCAA and NBA. Players who are drafted highly in part because they remind everyone of a currently successful player are set on faster and harder than anyone else by the media. Fultz/Harden, D'angelo Russel/Steph Curry, early struggles become "he's a bust." Trae Young is good at basketball and even if his size means he'll be more of a Kemba Walker than a Steph Curry, that's still a pretty high bar. I need to watch more of him before I make any real judgements or proclamations.
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Cool Buff Man posted:Who labeled Oladipo as a bust? The worst that I can recall being said about him was that he's not worth Paul George or hell, me making fun of his dribbling and I already apologized for that Getting into debating narrative power and intensity of clickbait sports journalism jungles is for the Bill Simmonses of the world. I think Oladipo and Sabonis were widely considered pennies on the dollar in exchange for Paul George. Victor Oladipo looked like an okay starter in OKC and a very inconsistent player on and off ball in Orlando. Nate Macmillan opening the offense, Myles Turner stretching things out, and a few other factors have let oladipo become the jaguar sprinter he was at Indiana. Role and situation are vital for everyone but the most super of superstars.
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Rick posted:I used to think the David Robinson comp was awful because David Robinson was one of the league's best defenders. I can absolutely see it tonight though, with Ayton just dictating what happens on both sides of the court. God drat Ayton is awesome. Do you think he'll be able to continue to grow as a defender Before the choice was "Tall Kyrie Irving with Rubio passing who'll be a career injury risk due to hunchback and never defend at anything better than 'average'" or "True center scoring machine who is lazy on defense, meaning his team would never be especially good" If Ayton can improve his defense he separates himself from Bagley, who'll take a few years to find a role other than AAU roving Duke 4, and Porter who we just haven't seen a lot of, although he could be a better Tobias Harris with more finesse
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How many future firsts + Andre Drummond would the PIstons have to trade to get into "Jaren Jackson Jr" range If he can really be a good defensive center who shoots threes, they might be able to make something happen.
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Jaren Jackson is going in the top of the lottery, because he projects to be not fake-age Serge Ibaka who also passes. He's a big who shoots threes, can dribble to attack a close out (absolutely necessary to make a stretch 4/5 worth playing in real games), rebounds, and blocks shots like a man. He has the agility to switch and cover the perimeter. He's not seen as a mega upside future hall of famer, but as the ever elusive center who blocks shots and makes threes. He knows how to play team basketball. His high floor is what's a little frightening as you always worry about settling for safe, but he'll probably be a good NBA player if he makes his threes. Need to watch more games and focus on him specifically. After watching more Arizona, Ayton looks incredible on offense, he moves fluidly for a true Embiid esque giant, and as Rick said, his lack of defense is what could make him Karl Towns esque. A center who doesn't play defense is like a pg who doesn't pass the ball, it causes a lot of problems. What he is on tape is pretty clear. The games where he played defense are frightening, because he looks like a true top pick. He's so skilled, has such a high bbiq, his only limitation is his outside shooting and willingness to do the dirty parts of defense, not just standing back and catching rebounds over guys. I'm not well versed on Bamba, I have a ton of condensed games to watch, I'd been ignoring non MSU college bball until the Griffin trade sunk the Pistons for the season. From what I've watched, he has a lot of body mechanics to work on, but if his team brings him along slowly, he could be blocking shots and making clean little tiptoes 10 footers. I'm more interested in watching all of these tweeners and wings and figuring out who the draft steal long armed hustle guys will be than sorting through the sorry group of pgs.
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Hamidou Diallo has to lead the NCAA for most garbage flick scoop buckets that you would assume better players would swat/deflect/catch If a smart team drafts him and can teach him how to play basketball, they'll look wise. He's got long arms and plays really hard, also plays with a very poor understanding of the shape of the court or that proper defenses would stymie nearly everything he does in college. There's something that makes me think his ugly floaters have a certain degree of NBA reproducability, like Thad Young's collections of nasty weird scoops and flicks that should not go in. As for other Kentucky guys, Gilgeous Alexander shows not much other than impressively long strides, he can really cover ground Kevin Knox has been compared to Tobias Harris, it seeems like everyone is getting that comp now that Tobias Harris is in LA. Everyone wants these tweener forward guys to develop the go to dribble move and a three point shot. It's a lot harder than it sounds
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Small guards with good touch, great ball handling, and high bball iq have thrived in the NBA. Trae Young will be a very good player if he has a team around him. As they are today, he'll have a better career than Alonzo Ball. Maybe ball will start making threes and can join a modern offense, but as of now, Trae Young is a better fit. Trae Young would need to be Chris Paul feisty to make an impact on defense, maybe he'll get that, probably not, but maybe. I think, before draft boards are finished and everyone's slotted each man into his ideal slot, it's important to remember how archetype chasing has lead to reaches and busts, disappointments, and confusions, through the years. Trae Young isn't Steph Curry, Markelle Fultz wasn't a more athletic James Harden, Jaren Jackson won't be any of the rim protecting three point shooters. You have to see them as they are and project them without just pasting their face on an already existing player. All the top wings in the NBA seem to be late in lottery sophmores who didn't test off the charts athletically. They had the right height, and maybe handspan, had a head for the game and kept adding moves and improving. Bigs usually go earlier, because of all the cliches about size. Players who can't run quickly may have huge strides or nimble feet, letting them anchor defenses despite most preconceptions about what a defense anchoring center looks like. Deandre Ayton or Doncic will probably be the top pick in the draft, Ayton isn't very similar to Karl Towns except that he's big and too cool for defense. Doncic will never be better than a 'right place at the right time and gives a poo poo' defender. It's worth wondering whether tall hunchback Kyrie who loves passing is a better franchise cornerstone than automatic inside scorer and rebounder, who if tricked into playing defense could shut a game down. Teams will talk to everyone's childhood soccer coach, their mom's hairdresser, to try and get a feel for who they are, but we won't be privy to any of it. I'm excited to start watching more condensed games of vurrious prospects so that I Can prove all of my various platitudes and rules of thumb about the draft are correct. Wingspan steal block guard, he's out there. Not enough wingspan jack of all trades guy who just needs to be allowed to hold the ball a little, he's out there. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Apr 4, 2018 |
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Trae Young's first step is also twice as "good" as Jimmer's, he has Steph Curry agility, but is shorter with smaller wings (what non basketball people call arms). Plenty of guys with his attributes have had good NBA careers. The only way he fails is if he ends up on such a bad team that he never gets any room to shoot. He can probably add core strength in the same way Curry did. He'll never be a run/jump freak, but he only needs to jump high enough to clear a contest or to make a lay up Trey Burke is now a solid NBA player, based on his measureables and college production, I never thought that would happen. Skill and bball iq can trump athleticism Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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I would say Bridges is a rich man's James Johnson with less manic energy and worse handle. He has the body of an ideal NFL tight end, he's a great leaper and is fast. His wingspan is only 3 inches longer than his height, so he's going to need to be in a system that takes advantages of his shooting and minimizes his lack of dribbling, like Jae Crowder. But he's much more of an athlete. Somewhere I saw the comparison of a combination of Crowder and Justise Winslow, ie Winslow's athleticism and Crowder's touch and defensive instincts, and I think that's an okay comp, if you remember just how athletic Justise Winslow is, and forget how slow and ground bound Jae Crowder is. Izzo had him play small forward all year, because if he could dribble, he'd probably add 100m to his lifetime earnings. That move lowered his rebounding and increased his assist rate. He didn't do a lot of wing stuff, like popping off of picks, very well, but if he gets runway he's unstoppable at the rim. I've seen a lot of old school comps to guys I don't have any memory of, like Larry Johnson and Jerome Kersey, those guys were short fours who could jump very high and push big men around, that obviously misses part of his game, but the point is that he reminds people of historically strong and athletic undersized fours, and he shoots threes at 35.5% Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Fultz was fine in SL which makes everything that much weirder. There were 2 months between SL and camp The reporting timeline was something like this---> First news, and only news for quite a while: Markelle Fultz out with shoulder imbalance --- Then sometime before the all-star break, we hear that his shot is broken, because of his trainer. ___ A week later we hear, no, he didn't try to change his shot.--- Then yes, he did try to change his shot. In my opinion, the James Harden shoulder ram style of playing caused some injury to a small muscle of the shoulder, which affected his jumper, and the sixers decided to red shirt him because it's what they do, like the Pittsburgh Steelers of the National Football League. Anyway, it's time to decide who the league will rig the draft for so that we can say it before it happens or maybe accidentally forget to post it until 3 minutes after it happens for no reason really...
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May 15, 2018 22:37
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Rick posted:They are rigging it for the Clippers, the huge drop off in attendance and ratings in one year undid all the work they did to make the Clippers relevant. Memphis has a good chance of being bumped to number one, because ownership moves are often followed by winning the lottery. Robert Pera paid about 700m to buy out one of the minority owners and will have to pay the bank. The Hawks won't get the number one pick because no one believes in their ability to sell basketball to the town.
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May 15, 2018 23:38
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What the gently caress is with this VO It sounds like she's recording with a 10 year old laptop's built in mic
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May 16, 2018 00:45
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It sucks that Woj got the entire basketball staff of espn.com fired and replaced by his cronies, just because he would beat the draft by 3 minutes. Every one of them is a dingbat
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May 16, 2018 00:53
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MourningView posted:Detroit do y'all really want to remind folks that you drafted Luke Kennard? He's Detroit's acting GM as everyone else has been fired
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May 16, 2018 01:06
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America's billionaires are creating hapsburg esque heirs
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May 16, 2018 01:09
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Awww poo poo
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May 16, 2018 01:21
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The kings signed high dollar deals to veteran players who failed to do anything, and the NBA is rewarding them, it's a sign that this is how you have to tank now
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May 16, 2018 01:24
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The suns get the number one pick because we need to reward the NBA's worst owner. They could use any big
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May 16, 2018 01:26
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gently caress bobby marks and his stupid loving touch screen
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May 16, 2018 01:27
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MourningView posted:I dunno if he'll bring it up or guard opposing guards but he's definitely a guy you want running a lot of the offense. Passing and pick and roll decision making are supposed to be his biggest strengths Yeah, he fits the Kyrie/James Harden/Lebron James type, there will probably be a nominal pg with him most of the time, but he handles the ball, he creates offense for himself and teammates, he's a point-ing guardward. The very skilled player who uses possessions position
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May 16, 2018 01:33
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euphronius posted:Can Doncic guard anyone in the nba Kyrie spent all but one year of his first contract not attempting to guard anyone, James Harden doesn't play defense in the regular season, he's a Bogdan son of bogdan esque team defense guy with mediocre measureables but good agility. And if you use him as a nominal pg, the only thing he has to do on defense is not die on screens and to tag his man. If he hits he's so good on offense that his defense becomes something y ou build your team to compensate for, like Dirk or James Jardin. What I'm most worried about for him is health. That hunchback style usually portends back and knee injuries.
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May 16, 2018 01:39
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Cool Buff Man posted:Is Jaren Jackson the best case outcome for the #4 pick or is he definitely going top 3 Early in the year, after the trae young wave crashed on the shore, he was a consensus 4, now I think people have him mocked from 2-5. He rose up as people picked apart all the defensive failings of the other top guys. Bagley is intriguing, some of his numbers are very good numbers, but he looks like Andrew Wiggins on defense, ie floating around without realizing where he should be. Triple J is a bit like the Finnish Fanatick from last year, his numbers say he's good and the only thing people doubt is his ceiling
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May 16, 2018 01:45
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I contend that this is the most frightening early lottery in ages. There are so many ways your pick could fail. There is also a solid chance of a couple late lottery now-anonymous wings being really good in a few years, making your pick look extra bad. There's a reason these GMs either look like gaunt medievel prisoners or fat sweating businessmen whose elaborate frauds have just been revealed, scress aka stress
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May 16, 2018 01:57
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Cool Buff Man posted:Hell sometimes it happens immediately, Donovan Mitchell took a few years off of several GM's lifespans Listen bub, when you can take the best PPP pick and roll player in the NCAA, you take him, especially if he's not especially athletic or big, you take him before the long armed athletic dynamic guy that someone is suspiciously trading picks to get. Then you bring him to the lottery so he can make a "whoops-a-daisy" face when the team loses its pick to the conniving genius GM, Lawrence Frank.
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WhyteRyce posted:Dejan please tell me about the geopolitical ramifications of a Luka/Bogdon pairing The chilly relations between the Serbs and the Slovenes, (Slovenes and Slovaks are arrogant and think they're better than the south slavs of the Balkans, they also follow the wicked latin rite of the Catholic church rather than the holy eastern orthodox patriarchate) will be thawed and an alliance against the Ustashe murderers of Croatia will be formed, joint basketball team showcased in international competition, utterly dominating the rest. It would be enjoyable for all the world to see Sacramento playing two 6'6 balkan guys with dirty blonde hair at the same time
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I wonder if the skipped college to play at IMG academy guy Anfernee Simons is going to declare, the Western Kentucky drop out guy, Mitchell Robinson is going to. First round gambles babyProbably Magic posted:So which one of you fuckers is drafting Devonte Graham (in free agency) (to stash in the D-league). All of the crafty, small, unathletic, senior pgs from big programs tend to get drafted and most of them end up playing a decent amount of 3rd or 2nd (tyus jones, kendall marshall, frank mason III) pg minutes. I think he's mocked somewhere in the 2nd round, so it comes down to who wants to a low ceiling, medium low floor backup guard, need them, need a third center who plays 6 mpg, ball. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 05:12 on May 16, 2018 |
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