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Butch Cassidy
Jul 28, 2010



A recent dustup in the Glock thread showed that TFR has some varying and strong opinions about setting up a carry gun. The concealed carry thread periodically sees its share of slapfights, as well. It seems TFR could use a place to talk about goons' carry guns and why they have them set-up the way they do. A thread to encourage effort posts about individual situations and how those drive gear selection. To keep communication clear and encourage lurkers or less frequent posters to participate, let's try to avoid name-calling, making GBS threads on the choices of others, and keeping questions or suggestions more neutral or at least polite. OUr benevolent mod. wants more threads and quality content and I like seeing as wide an array of other viewpoints as possible. Yes, I was one of the hotheads in the Glock thread derail but do like poeple showing perspectives different from mine and even challenging my own. In that spirit, I'll start.



Gun: Heckler & Koch USP compact

Caliber: 40 S&W

Trigger Type: Heavy LEM

Modified from stock? Ayup

If so, how? Shipped from the factory as a standard V1 (left-side control lever, DA/SA with decocker/safety) and the previous owner converted to factory-style heavy LEM. I ground the finger hooks off the baseplates off the magazines to decrease printing but left some rubberized padding on the baseplates to protect them when dropped and act as a bumper when loading. Sights are stock but only because I'm undecided on what to replace them with while they work well enough in the perpetual meantime.

Why? Starting with the caliber, because I like it. That is all.

The pistol itself is a little more involved. Glocks print on me out of proportion to their frame sizes. A 19/23/32 hiding no better than a Beretta 92/96. The USPc prints only a hair more than my previous EDC Glock 27 while holding three more rounds and offering a full grip. Not to say that I have any qualms about two-finger grips, however. The paddle mag release is far less likely to kick out the mag then a button-type when I don't want it to. While more secure than a button in my use, it also manages to be easier and more reliable for me to drop mags with than most conventional releases rather than a trade-off. That the mag. release is ambidextrous is a nice bonus. The very aggressive texturing of the front and back straps with milder sides carries comfortably while still offering a secure grip. The magazines have a more pronounced taper at the feed lips to make reloads a bit easier and more slick than a Glock in my hands. A lack of agressive mag. catch cutouts makes them highly unlikely to hang up in a variety of mag. pouches than my previous Glocks. Magazines drop free more reliably than Glock or Beretta 92/96 mags, even when dirty. Rounded corners and generally feeling well deburred is a nice bonus to the magazines over some other designs. A spare mag is both thinner and the baseplate doesn't give me a sore spot like Glock magazines and sometimes Beretta 92 mags had a habit of doing. This means I almost always carry a reload when I previously hadn't regularly and almost always ditched the spare by the end of a day or when driving out of town. Despite appearances, the pronounced slide release was of no concern to me and I only ever use it administratively. Auto-forwarding also leaves me nonplussed. But Glocks and Berettas both did it when reloading with vigor so whatever. Modification of the magazines has already been noted.

The hammer deserves its own section. I like being able to pin a hammer with my thumb when holstering a handgun. It's a habit I had with striker guns just to keep the slide from being bumped out of battery on a holster mouth so why not add some utility to the action? I've also gritted up Glocks more easily when rolling around on the ground and doing positional shooting than hammer-fired pistols. Not a knock on Glock reliability but a result of the open butt funneling dirt into the fire control group after hitting the ground. A butt plug is out as it would hold water/debris and get gross with my lifestyle. That said, the USP and USP compact do grit up more than a 92 series Beretta in my experience. Others manage to get Glocks filthy with no issue and that's great for them but I'll stick with my Teutonic porker.

LEM is less interesting. HK's stock DA is godawful with a lighter mainspring doing precious little to help, so something had to give. While the SA is quite nice and I have no personal beef with cocked and locked carry, ambidexterity comes back in. I'd need control levers on the left and right to facilitate left hand only shooting. That's a surprisingly expensive conversion and, at the time, was comparable to a LEM kit. IR35 and Beanieson both had me curious about HK's faux DAO so I was going to play with that, anyway and started there in my old 9mm USP compact. Light LEM was quite nice as a two-stage SAO with long first stage and crisp break. But I was more likely to crank off a shot without chance to correct an error with any loss of dexterity than I ever was with a longer or bit heavier trigger. Riding bikes all over the place, living in a place with winters necessitating gloves, and having a personally far greater chance at needing to hold something at gunpoint than immediately put a bullet in it, I tried heavy LEM with my replacement 40 caliber gun. While feeling like a worse Glock trigger, it works well for my needs. I can also roll through the full trigger pull with no staging and the break will be less likely to bump my shot off a bit than the more pronounced break in a light variant. I also shoot double-action better than single-action on average so the longer trigger travel to notice and correct sight alignment issue or for a tense situation to change and pause/abort the shot as needed is a nice bonus with no real trade-off. LEM's reputation for cranking out slower splits than most striker guns and any SAO is not a concern of mine and somewhat tempered by my chosen caliber, anyway.

Why no night sights? I work nights and can't carry on the clock. That leaves weekends possibly seeing low light carry. Weekends I'm often camping at night in which case my Glock 42 is on me. Or home where I can just tag a long gun out of the safe. And indoor ranges leave the stock sights usable with a 90 or so lumen handheld light. The money I'd spend on night sights just keeps looking to be better spent on spare mags, fresh carry ammo, tuition for another pistol class, more reloading components, or just supporting other hobbies. I don't really care. That said, I'd still rock Hackathorns on a belt Glock should I ever hit my head and go back to them.

My Glock 42 is set-up from a different perspective and I'll post about it later. In the meantime, you guys are up!

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Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004



https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3828838

The only mod I've done since then is add a Glock SCD as an additional impediment against shooting myself in the dick when reholstering. https://taudevgroup.myshopify.com/products/striker-control-device

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005




My off duty carry gun is an m&p 9c with no modifications. I own quite a few handguns but the 9c is my favorite. I try to shoot at least bi weekly with work and will usually put a few mags through it at the end of a session. I have thought about adding a new trigger but I am so used to it now I doubt I will. I will lose all cred by saying this but I use a Uncle Mike ambedextrious holster. I have tried and bought so many over the years but keep going back to that one. It's comfy and easy to move around

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




Am I the only guy who carries two? Without printing?

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010


Captain Log posted:

Am I the only guy who carries two? Without printing?

sometimes mine prints

californiasushi
Jun 6, 2004


Craptacular posted:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3828838

The only mod I've done since then is add a Glock SCD as an additional impediment against shooting myself in the dick when reholstering. https://taudevgroup.myshopify.com/products/striker-control-device

in what ways do you find your red dot most helpful over iron sights? speed? accuracy? night/low light shooting?

do you guys usually carry a spare magazine?

californiasushi
Jun 6, 2004


the gun i carry the most these days is probably my least nice pistol, at least cost wise. it's a m&p shield. i picked it up a few years ago for something like $275 with 3 extra magazines. however, i don't trust it fully as it's malfunctioned before but lately i've been keeping it cleaner and lubed and it's been better. it's completely stock mostly because i don't want to spend the cost of the gun upgrading the sights and trigger, however terrible that is. at least the sights are metal unlike glocks. i shoot it ok enough out to 16 yards as i could do a pretty decent job on the plate rack at that distance. at 25 yards though, my groups looked like a shotgun shot it. at 7 yards i can keep it in the -0 zone on an idpa target shooting pretty fast for me. the capacity isn't that great which is kinda why i want to switch to a glock 26...

i also have an obligatory g19. i can't carry it year-round because it gets hot where i live and although posted signs don't carry force of law, getting caught with a gun in a lot of places that are posted would seriously suck. i have dawson chargers on them, a tritium front and a serrated black rear. i got that front sight, which is .125" wide, when the only trijicon hd option was .144 (now they have a .122" width option, the HD XR). i get why the trijicon hd's and those type of sights were/are popular but i never really understood getting a front sight that was .144" wide. that's huge. it seems counterproductive to me that the sights would have the colored ring around the tritium to help you shoot faster but then have a front sight that's wide, which is more difficult to shoot at speed. i would probably give the xr's a try though, since trijicon, at least in the past, let me change sights to match point of aim = point of impact. unlike dawson though, who sends you a new front sight when you want a different poa = poi, i had to rma my slide and send it to trijicon. it was still great though. it also has a different connector to shoot better.

the gun i've carried the most over the years is one of my most expensive handguns and is my jframe. it's a m&p 340, which is a scandium .357 with a stainless steel cylinder (instead of titanium) and a night sight. the stainless cylinder is supposed to be more durable than the titanium and the night sight obviously helps shooting in low/no light conditions. to me, it's basically the perfect jframe. it's lightweight and quite shootable. i changed out the springs for wolff reduced power rebound and hammer springs and that made a pretty big difference in the trigger pull, which is something i need. sure, shooting .38+p can be quite a bit, and .357 is like getting punched in your hands really hard. but it's still pretty controllable. i could dump the cylinder at 7 yards pretty quickly, at least for me. i could also shoot the plate rack at 16 yards okay with it. like my shield i shot bad groups at 25 yards with it though. i basically see the shield as a gun i can shoot a bit faster than my jframe but reloads a lot easier. the best thing about the jframe though is how well it conceals. iwb, it basically disappears. the shield still prints a little bit for me. the crime level where i live now is significantly worse than where i used to live so i hardly ever carry the jframe anymore just because of its low capacity and how slow it is to reload.

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

border patrol qt


Plaster Town Cop

californiasushi posted:

in what ways do you find your red dot most helpful over iron sights? speed? accuracy? night/low light shooting?

do you guys usually carry a spare magazine?

1) So far I've found the dot to improve accuracy the most; I'm still working on the speed part. I hardly shot any matches this year with mine, but my first big outing with a red-dot Glock involved a lot of longer-range targets and it performed admirably.

2) Usually, but it depends. I try to make a risk assessment considering things like general crime level to and from and at my destination (the last few days I've been in Detroit so draw your own conclusions), projected response times for law enforcement, whether I'll have easy access to a long gun, and what the native capacity of my carry gun is. The lower the capacity, the more likely I am to carry one or even two spare mags (or speedloaders!).

Wardrobe can also play a smaller role. In the winter I'll throw an extra mag on my belt, even if I'm rocking something with a 17+1 capacity. In the summer, I may or may not carry an extra mag with a gun of that capacity, as long as it's a gun whose mags I trust 100%.

In general, I try to carry as big a gun as I think I can get away with, but I've been carrying a P239 DAK in 40 a lot lately because the thing is just fun to shoot, and it's accurate in my hands. But that only carries 7+1, so a spare mag is a must, and I try to carry two extra mags whenever possible.

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004



californiasushi posted:

in what ways do you find your red dot most helpful over iron sights? speed? accuracy?
Both.

californiasushi posted:

do you guys usually carry a spare magazine?
If I'm carrying a gun, I'm carrying spare ammo.

FauxhawkSatan
Mar 27, 2010


I carry a Sig P320c that hasn't gotten fixed yet so I can throw it on the ground and shoot people with it.

OWLS!
Sep 17, 2009

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Gun: S&W Bodyguard

Caliber: 380

Trigger Type: DAO

Modified No. Comes with factory laser.

Why: Compromise. This is not a gun that is comfortable to shoot. This is not a gun that would be my first choice of carry. This gun is not a lot of things. (Make one in .32acp S&W, come on) The reason really is because I've thrown my lot in with pocket carry due to having to be around legal-to-carry-in but severely not-gun-friendly places a lot. For me, concealment and potential printing is a much more immediate issue than probably anything else, so having a gun that when holstered in a pocket is indistinguishable at a glance from a cellphone or a wallet is definitely a major plus.

The reason why it has a laser is this is the gun I practice with, might as well have it both on nightstand and carry duty. It's not a perfect solution, and generally I would much prefer something that isn't in a form factor and caliber designed to chew up hands. But the concealability of the pistol was the primary deciding factor.

The gun and laser are function-tested monthly regardless of my ability to make it out to the range, with a schedule set for battery rotation.

I do not carry spare magazines, primarily, once again, in the name of concealment.

OWLS! fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Dec 8, 2017

Drav
Jul 23, 2002

We've come a long way since that day, and we will never look back at the faded silhouette.

Thought this might be interesting to you guys:

http://blog.krtraining.com/even-more-knowledge-from-the-rangemaster-instructor-conference/

Drav
Jul 23, 2002

We've come a long way since that day, and we will never look back at the faded silhouette.

I'm a suburban dad who likes to carry what he competes with and even though I shot Glocks at a high level for several years I now shoot and carry a M&P 2.0 regular size (4.25") 9mm.

There are no modifications to it. No night sights and no weaponlight.

I have tried smaller guns and they either don't conceal well enough for the shootability trade-off or they're just plain unshootable.

I like the M&P 2.0 because the stock trigger is the nicest in a striker-fired gun ever and the stippled grip means I don't have to worry about losing grip with sweaty hands in an encounter. That was always a big fear of mine with Glocks (and I used tons of Pro-grip shooting them in matches).

I carry a full-size gun for the ability to make good shots at any distance.

MesquiteLog
Dec 8, 2009


Gun: Kimber Pro Carry II Stainless

Caliber: .45 ACP, Speer Gold Dots

Action: SA

Modified: 10-8 sights with gold bead front sight. VZ grips, with a skateboard grip tape front strap grippierness. Bobbed type mainspring housing with home modified rounding on the frame that my father did, it looks like garbage but is functional.

Why: I carry in an open top belt holster right above my right butt cheek. It sounds odd, but I personally can conceal just about any kind of pistol in that position very well because of my body type. The holster itself is designed for this type of carry and has an extreme cant. I carry an eight round mag in the weapon and at least one extra ten rounder. Due to the slimness of everything involved in a single stack, everything (gun, mags, etc.) is pretty easy for me to conceal.

As for the why of the weapon, I like the ergonomics of the 1911 and this particular gun has been gifted through a few people in the family until it ultimately wound up with me a few years ago.

Speer Gold Dots because a jacketed hollow point is a jacketed hollow point and the research I did on carry ammo suggested these are pretty solid performers. I used to carry Buffalo Bore +Ps in it but the recoil was absurd and follow up shots took ten forevers, but drat did they have some speed.

My workout shorts and t-shirt concealment pistol is a hammerless airweight J Frame. It conceals anywhere.

ZebraBlade
Mar 26, 2010

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark

S&W MP9c
Federal HST 147gr 9mm
Streamlight TLR4
Apex short reset and carry trigger kit
Alpha Concealment Cyclopes IWB holster with soft loops
I dont carry a spare mag on me, but I keep one in my briefcase at work and one in the center console of my truck.

Why the MP9c? Got it for cheap, fits my hands good for how small it is and I shoot it great, conceals pretty good.


In the winter when I am out ice fishing or coyote hunting or just around town I usually OWB carry under my jacket or a hoodie, in the past its been a full size 1911 but now I will be carrying my CZ P07 with RMR and TLR1.

penis bandana
Aug 6, 2008


Gun: Gen3 G19 RTF, Gen4 G19, Gen4 G19 MOS

Caliber: 9mm/ 147gr HST

Modified from stock? Yes.

The Gen3 RTF has Trijicon HD yellow front/ black rear sights. This rides in an MTAC.

The Gen4 has Ameriglow Hackathorn orange front/ black rear sights, and some hockey tape on the grip. It also has a 3.5lb disconnector.
This rides in the same MTAC.

The Gen4 MOS has Trijicon suppressor-height night sights, a Trijicon RMR, and a threaded KKM barrel for fun with a can. When I got this gun, I also got an RMR-cut INCOG holster. Iím not a huge fan of the holster; Iíll probably get another MTAC and cut it to accommodate the RMR unless I suddenly become super interested in AIWB (unlikely).

Why: Blue Label Glocks are a really affordable option for me, and while not at all interesting, Glocks are ubiquitous for a lot of reasons. The G19 is going to forever be the standard that I evaluate other carry pistols against. 9mm is affordable, forgiving to the shooter, unforgiving to the target, and you can have an awful lot of rounds ready to go. Given the reduced cost, I can set up a few different guns and evaluate a setup over time without compromising whatever configuration Iím most comfortable with.

I really like a relatively big, bright as gently caress front dot, and I hate anything distracting on the rear sight.

Other than cost, I canít find I drawback to the slide-mounted RDS. I genuinely shoot faster and more accurately with one now that Iíve had the chance to shoot with the RMR a bunch.

Finger grooves are okay for my hands. The RTF is the loving best, but itís also kind of fragile and slung rifles and wear and tear have rubbed the outside of that grip smooth.

The factory Glock trigger is serviceable (I really like the improvements on the G43 and the Gen5 guns that Iíve shot). The 3.5lb connector is fine too, though evidence from the shot timer and a lot of unscientific accuracy testing tells me that it doesnít really matter in my case. Iím not that good to begin with, and Iím guessing that trigger modifications are much more appreciable by shooters that are well beyond my skill level.

Extended slide and magazine releases just arenít for me. Iíve tried both. The extended slide release amplified my issue of having my dominant thumb placed in a way that would throw the slide forward after my last round. When I intentionally manipulate the slide release (which I donít do often- I manipulate the slide 95% of the time), itís done most frequently with my support hand anyway. I think this is from all the years of shooting a 1911, and it kind of eliminates the need for an extended control. The extended mag release didnít do anything for me.

Iím solidly not in the camp thatís concerned about the legal ramifications of carrying a modified gun, but I do live in Wyoming, and I havenít done anything crazy to any of the guns I carry. Iím also not overly concerned about the safety aspect of lightening or improving a trigger, for example, as long as the modification doesnít disable a safety feature (unless youíre a person that considers a heavy trigger a safety feature, which isnít an argument Iím going to engage in).

I donít always carry a spare magazine because of wardrobe and comfort considerations, and when I do I carry it behind my hip on the support side. Iím secure in these decisions.

Gun: 1911 in various flavors

Caliber: .45

Modified from stock? Yes.

A few days each month, I carry a 1911 of some sort. I shot and carried 1911s long before I got into Glocks. Most of these guns are full- or commander-length (I have one true 3Ē model), and I carry them when my wardrobe and an ďI feel like itĒ moment intersect. Winter and in uniform, usually.

Modifications are pretty standard. Sights, triggers, magwells, controls. Iíve never been tempted to lighten a 1911 trigger, but I have a Kimber and a Springfield that each received Wilson parts and labor to correct creep. The factory ďmatchĒ chamber on the Kimber was also reamed to accommodate a longer OAL cartridge after I had trouble running some reloads through it, something I had no issue with in the Springfield, Colt, or STI I was also using frequently at the time.

I always thought that I could shoot a 1911 better than I could a Glock, which was part of the reason that it took me so long to buy a more modern pistol. Forcing myself to practice almost exclusively on a Glock after I bought my first really proved me wrong on this, and also highlighted the serious limitations of the 1911 once I started using the clock as a training tool. The width of the 1911 isnít as much of a factor when carrying as I had assumed, but the weight is, particularly on the steel-framed guns.

I would still consider shooting a 1911 to be more enjoyable and maybe more natural to me, but I canít find a compelling reason to carry one over a Glock. ďI feel like itĒ is still enough to put them on my belt with some regularity.

I do always carry a spare mag or two when I carry a 1911.

CommanderApaul
Aug 30, 2003

It's amazing their hands can support such awesome.


Gun: Glock 27 and Glock 35MOS

Caliber: 40 S&W, 165gr Gold Dots

Action: Striker

Modified: Polished trigger group. Looking at "-" connectors and NY1 springs. Burris FF3 on the 35

Why: For the gun, my gun was a Glock 17 Gen2 almost 20 years ago (wish I never sold it), and I carried a Sig P229 at work for 5 years before I went to IT. I was gunless for like 10 years at the wife's insistence after I made the transition. I bought a Glock 23 during the post-Newtown panic when "get a Glock 19 and an MTAC" groupthink was at it's peak, but the LSG had a single 9mm Glock, and it was a NiB X that was out of my squirreled away $ price range, so I defaulted to a .40. Got a 27 when I got my CCW.

Currently carrying (as of this week) 4 o'clock IWB in a Butch holster that's sized for a 19/23, custom cut for the optic and open on the bottom so I can carry either as desired. Always keep a spare 15-round mag in the car and carry another one on me, usually in a pocket (need to get an weak-side mag holder).

For the ammo, we carried Gold Dots in our duty guns at the PD, so I just kindof defaulted to that. Found it on the DocGKR list later and never found a reason to switch to anything else. I shoot my carried ammo out once every 6 months or so and get another box, never had a malfunction. Got their short-barrel .357 for the wife's revolver as well.

I've been trying out pocket carry with the wife's Kimber revolver until she gets her CCW, and both the size and trigger (holy poo poo that trigger) are spoiling me compared to the Glocks, hence the NY1 spring and - connector plans.

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it


Gun: Glock 19, Glock 26, M&P Shield

Caliber: 9x19, 147gr Federal HST

Action: Striker

Modified: Ameriglo 3 dot NS w/ ProGlo front sight, Gen 3 trigger bar in my gen 4 guns to make the trigger press a little smother. Otherwise stock

Why: I've carried a Glock 9mm of some kind for basically my entire life. They work just fine and conceal well and I am heavily invested in the platform. I could buy something else, but it's likely that any improvement in my ability to shoot with a new pistol will be transient and incremental vs. the skill I have built with Glocks. I got the Shield because they were the first 9mm single stack semi auto out there that I trusted and I needed a very low profile carry gun for when I carry places that are legally permissible but socially unacceptable to be armed.

That is all

Butch Cassidy
Jul 28, 2010





Gun: Glock model 42

Caliber: 380 ACP

Trigger Type: Standard 4th generation

Modified from stock? Yes

If so, how? Defoor-pattern sights

Why? Let's get the real question out of the way and go with "why not a Glock 43?" Because the 42 is smaller, lighter, and has less recoil. I try* to only have a two-gun carry selection of belt pistol and pocket rocket. So the smaller dimensions make it that much more concealable than a 9x19mm. The 43 is also too large for many cycling jersey kangaroo pockets and the added weight make the lycra less likely to retain it when jostling about. Plus it'd print more through the tight fabric. The 43 didn't exist when I bought this as another point though lesser as I did ultimately own a 43 for a while.

"Why not the smaller LCP/Bodyguard/P380?" Because, while I like the DAO triggers on any of those far better than that on this, the 42 shoots more quickly and accurately with less practice. Recoil is also controllable by my wife should she ever need to use it. While intolerant of limp-wristing and needing to be kept clean compared to service caliber Glocks, it is far more reliable when comparatively dirty to any other pocket rocket I've spent time with and less sensitive to limp-wrists.

"Why not a J-frame?" Because lighter than my 36.

"But alloy frames exist?" gently caress lightweight snubbies in the bunghole.

Or "why no night sights?" Because pocket lint dims tritium vials a fair bit and I have zero desire to regularly wipe down my sights. Also because Defoors have a thin front sight post compared to most night sights and I can get better hits with them. That these irons were half the price of glowing ones made them a quicker replacement for the stock plastic as a bonus. You can see that I pounded the rear in with a steel punch because I gave no fucks about marring.

I added a TLR-6 because I had one kicking around for my kydex molding and it works. Also makes pocket carry print more like a phone or wallet than gun. The little extra weight and thickness below the muzzle makes the holstered rig less likely to try flipping forward in my more generous front pockets as something I discovered after the fact. While some would prefer a different light, I don't care enough to spend the money on a minor upgrade in ruggedness. I do not use the laser and set it to light only.

If I could reliably lighten the break in the trigger, I would. It's a touch heavy for such a tiny thing and softening the hitch would make this thing shoot better at range. I'd also like better mags. The plastic delaminates from the steel at the feed lips and can catch during reloads. The mags in my 43 were also starting to peel when I sold it (with full disclosure), by the way.

* And am partially failing. I my Beretta 96D and carry it for a few days now and then.

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

border patrol qt


Plaster Town Cop

I am all over the map as to what I carry, and I should probably narrow it down a bit. I'll try to do a summary of the twelve most commonly-carried guns for me, in no particular order:

- HK P2000 LEM in .40: My work gun, but I hate it so I rarely carry it off-duty. I pretty much only carry it as a CYA if I anticipate going someplace where carry is otherwise restricted. No modifications from stock other than Trijicon HD night sights and a Streamlight TLR-1 HL.

- SIG P239 DAK in .40: I'm a weirdo who shoots better with double action triggers than I do with single action triggers. So from a sheer accuracy standpoint, I usually shoot DAK SIGs better than I shoot DA/SA SIGs. I can shoot a DA/SA gun faster, but not as accurately. I'll absolutely trade split times for absolute confidence in my accuracy. The 239 in .40 only holds seven rounds in the mag, so an extra mag or two is a must. Why .40? Two reasons. One, the gun was dirt cheap as a police trade-in. Two, I'm still getting free .40 HSTs from work. It's about the same size as a Glock 19 but it's thinner, so it's pretty easy to carry. Mine is bone stock other than the Hogue rubber grip that it came with; I normally hate Hogues, but it fits my hand really well.

- Glock 35 in .40 or .357: The Glock 34/35 platform is very easy-shooting; the 35 was cheap as a police trade-in (even though this one is a Gen4); and as I said before, .40 ammo is plentiful for me for now. I carried a Glock 17 for seven years, so the 35 just feels natural to me. Having 15+1 rounds on tap is great. There are factory 22-rounders, which is great for tactical training and competition. This came bone stock with a NY1 spring and reduced power connector (which is apparently how the Kentucky State Police set their guns up). I threw on a KE Arms carry mag well and Ameriglo CAP sights and called it a day.

- HK USP Compact LEM in .45: I don't carry this one very often but it's sort of my default woods gun. Bears don't get very big around here, but there are coyotes and wolves and two-legged predators, so I like having a gun that can handle the heat of .45 Super. HK is one of the few companies that says their .45 ACP guns will handle .45 Super. Normally this gun has an 8-round mag but I also have a couple extended 10-rounders. Gun was originally DA/SA (V3) but I converted it to LEM. Bone stock otherwise.

- Beretta 96G Brigadier Elite in .40: This is my main competition gun when I shoot IPSC in Canada. I've always liked how Berettas feel and point, (and for how smooth the action is) and this gun was basically set up for competition so it's got a nicer trigger right out of the box. Default capacity is only eleven rounds, but Meg-Gar makes flush-fit 13-rounders and slightly extended 15-rounders. Gun is stock other than the cool-rear end skull grips that I got off eBay.

- Glock 22 Gen2 converted to .357: As mentioned before, I'm very familiar and comfortable with Glocks; police trade-in Glock 22s are dirt cheap, and I've used this and my Gen3 G22 extensively in competition and training classes. I have a Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel that has worked great for thousands of rounds, and I have a Storm Lake .357 SIG barrel that has also been great. When I carry it, I carry it with the .357 barrel installed. Why: Even though Jim Cirillo was just a dude, he is highly revered in law enforcement and gunfighting circles. He was on the NYPD Stakeout Squad in the 1970s and won something like 26 gunfights. He was also a firearms instructor for U.S. Customs, and played a large role in upgrading our firearms training in the 1980s and 1990s. He was also very forward-thinking when it came to defensive ammo design and performance requirements. After he retired, he was asked what his ideal duty handgun would be. He said, "a Glock in .357 SIG." So I like to carry this gun sometimes as a nod to Jim and his legacy. I would like to eventually get a proper Glock 31 just so I have a gun that says .357 on the side, but this will do for now. So this Gen2 is stock except for the caliber conversion barrel and Ameriglo CAP sights.

- Glock 17 IGFS in 9mm: Since I carried a 17 for a few years, carrying one just feels natural to me. This is a Gen3 that had a lot of work done. The internals are all stock but it's had basically every option available for frame and slide work at Innovative GunFighter Solutions. Very aggressive slide cuts and great frame stippling, among other touches. I added Ameriglo CAP sights. So it's like a regular 17, but better. A thousand dollars better? Who knows. But it's better.

- Glock 26/27/33 in 9mm/.40/.357 respectively: When I want a "deep concealment" gun; they're thicker than the P239 but are smaller in every other dimension and hold more rounds. Caliber sort of depends on my whim. If I'm shooting it a lot, I'll probably run the 27 since I'm still getting .40 ammo from work. If I'm shooting a little but my split times are important for whatever reason, I'll run the 9mm. If I want something with more punch and boom, I'll run the 357. Guns are all stock except the 27 which has a gold bead front sight for no good reason.

- Springfield EMP 3.0 in .40: I hate 1911s. Most 1911s anyway. I've never shot a pistol with a single action trigger very well, because I'm a broken human being. The EMP is the only 1911 I've ever taken a liking to. I love the fit and finish, it's small enough to carry easily, and I can shoot it fairly well despite the single action trigger. This is bone stock, I think; it has G10 grips and night sights, which I believe are options from the factory. You know why it's in .40.

- SIG P320 Carry in 9mm: This is one of the top contenders for our next service handgun, so I've been trying to spend some time with it. I like how it shoots, and I like the modularity of it. I upgraded mine with Ameriglo CAP sights and an Apex trigger.

- Smith & Wesson Model 10 in .38 Special: This is an Australian police trade-in with a very smooth trigger. I trained with a heavy barrel Model 10 extensively during my first police academy, and I've come to think of it as sort of the gold standard against which all other combat revolvers are judged. Sometimes a guy just wants to carry a revolver, okay? When I do carry it, it's usually with Winchester PDX1 +P JHPs. If I'm feeling old school, I might rock some Nyclads.

- Ruger LCR in .38 Special: Sometimes I want to carry a pocket gun that can be fired from within the pocket. This is that gun. I had an airweight J-frame for years but I never really liked it. It was a fine gun, but it wasn't any fun to shoot. The LCR isn't that much bigger than a typical J-frame, but it's actually a pleasant-shooting gun despite being slightly lighter than an airweight Smith. It has a better trigger too. Like the Model 10 above, this is typically carried with +P PDX1s. Gun is bone stock.

Darth Freddy
Feb 6, 2007

An Emperor's slightest dislike is transmitted to those who serve him, and there it is amplified into rage.

For the guys rocking the mini red dot. How do you activate it? Just turn it on before you go out? Easy to hit toggle?

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

border patrol qt


Plaster Town Cop

Darth Freddy posted:

For the guys rocking the mini red dot. How do you activate it? Just turn it on before you go out? Easy to hit toggle?

I just leave mine on; the RMR has a great battery life so you should only have to change it once a year, and the DPP has an auto off/auto on feature so the dot is on while you're up and moving, but it shuts itself off after a period of no movement, like when you put it in your safe for the night. As soon as you pick the gun up to strap it on, the dot comes on again.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene


Fun Shoe

infrared35 posted:

- Glock 22

I'm curious, what were/are your plans for all those Glock 22 lowers you bought from that deal I posted in the deals thread?

NickBlasta
May 16, 2003

Clearly their proficiency at shooting is supernatural, not practical, in origin.


Darth Freddy posted:

For the guys rocking the mini red dot. How do you activate it? Just turn it on before you go out? Easy to hit toggle?

Depends on the dot. I've used some battery hungry ones that I just turned on before I went out, and some that I leave on all the time.

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004



Darth Freddy posted:

For the guys rocking the mini red dot. How do you activate it? Just turn it on before you go out? Easy to hit toggle?

The DPP I use turns off when it's at rest. When it's moved, a motion sensor turns on the dot. It's easy to confirm that the dot's on as one step of putting on the holster.

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it


infrared35 posted:

I am all over the map as to what I carry, and I should probably narrow it down a bit. I'll try to do a summary of the twelve most commonly-carried guns for me, in no particular order:

- HK P2000 LEM in .40: My work gun, but I hate it so I rarely carry it off-duty. I pretty much only carry it as a CYA if I anticipate going someplace where carry is otherwise restricted. No modifications from stock other than Trijicon HD night sights and a Streamlight TLR-1 HL.

- SIG P239 DAK in .40: I'm a weirdo who shoots better with double action triggers than I do with single action triggers. So from a sheer accuracy standpoint, I usually shoot DAK SIGs better than I shoot DA/SA SIGs. I can shoot a DA/SA gun faster, but not as accurately. I'll absolutely trade split times for absolute confidence in my accuracy. The 239 in .40 only holds seven rounds in the mag, so an extra mag or two is a must. Why .40? Two reasons. One, the gun was dirt cheap as a police trade-in. Two, I'm still getting free .40 HSTs from work. It's about the same size as a Glock 19 but it's thinner, so it's pretty easy to carry. Mine is bone stock other than the Hogue rubber grip that it came with; I normally hate Hogues, but it fits my hand really well.

- Glock 35 in .40 or .357: The Glock 34/35 platform is very easy-shooting; the 35 was cheap as a police trade-in (even though this one is a Gen4); and as I said before, .40 ammo is plentiful for me for now. I carried a Glock 17 for seven years, so the 35 just feels natural to me. Having 15+1 rounds on tap is great. There are factory 22-rounders, which is great for tactical training and competition. This came bone stock with a NY1 spring and reduced power connector (which is apparently how the Kentucky State Police set their guns up). I threw on a KE Arms carry mag well and Ameriglo CAP sights and called it a day.

- HK USP Compact LEM in .45: I don't carry this one very often but it's sort of my default woods gun. Bears don't get very big around here, but there are coyotes and wolves and two-legged predators, so I like having a gun that can handle the heat of .45 Super. HK is one of the few companies that says their .45 ACP guns will handle .45 Super. Normally this gun has an 8-round mag but I also have a couple extended 10-rounders. Gun was originally DA/SA (V3) but I converted it to LEM. Bone stock otherwise.

- Beretta 96G Brigadier Elite in .40: This is my main competition gun when I shoot IPSC in Canada. I've always liked how Berettas feel and point, (and for how smooth the action is) and this gun was basically set up for competition so it's got a nicer trigger right out of the box. Default capacity is only eleven rounds, but Meg-Gar makes flush-fit 13-rounders and slightly extended 15-rounders. Gun is stock other than the cool-rear end skull grips that I got off eBay.

- Glock 22 Gen2 converted to .357: As mentioned before, I'm very familiar and comfortable with Glocks; police trade-in Glock 22s are dirt cheap, and I've used this and my Gen3 G22 extensively in competition and training classes. I have a Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel that has worked great for thousands of rounds, and I have a Storm Lake .357 SIG barrel that has also been great. When I carry it, I carry it with the .357 barrel installed. Why: Even though Jim Cirillo was just a dude, he is highly revered in law enforcement and gunfighting circles. He was on the NYPD Stakeout Squad in the 1970s and won something like 26 gunfights. He was also a firearms instructor for U.S. Customs, and played a large role in upgrading our firearms training in the 1980s and 1990s. He was also very forward-thinking when it came to defensive ammo design and performance requirements. After he retired, he was asked what his ideal duty handgun would be. He said, "a Glock in .357 SIG." So I like to carry this gun sometimes as a nod to Jim and his legacy. I would like to eventually get a proper Glock 31 just so I have a gun that says .357 on the side, but this will do for now. So this Gen2 is stock except for the caliber conversion barrel and Ameriglo CAP sights.

- Glock 17 IGFS in 9mm: Since I carried a 17 for a few years, carrying one just feels natural to me. This is a Gen3 that had a lot of work done. The internals are all stock but it's had basically every option available for frame and slide work at Innovative GunFighter Solutions. Very aggressive slide cuts and great frame stippling, among other touches. I added Ameriglo CAP sights. So it's like a regular 17, but better. A thousand dollars better? Who knows. But it's better.

- Glock 26/27/33 in 9mm/.40/.357 respectively: When I want a "deep concealment" gun; they're thicker than the P239 but are smaller in every other dimension and hold more rounds. Caliber sort of depends on my whim. If I'm shooting it a lot, I'll probably run the 27 since I'm still getting .40 ammo from work. If I'm shooting a little but my split times are important for whatever reason, I'll run the 9mm. If I want something with more punch and boom, I'll run the 357. Guns are all stock except the 27 which has a gold bead front sight for no good reason.

- Springfield EMP 3.0 in .40: I hate 1911s. Most 1911s anyway. I've never shot a pistol with a single action trigger very well, because I'm a broken human being. The EMP is the only 1911 I've ever taken a liking to. I love the fit and finish, it's small enough to carry easily, and I can shoot it fairly well despite the single action trigger. This is bone stock, I think; it has G10 grips and night sights, which I believe are options from the factory. You know why it's in .40.

- SIG P320 Carry in 9mm: This is one of the top contenders for our next service handgun, so I've been trying to spend some time with it. I like how it shoots, and I like the modularity of it. I upgraded mine with Ameriglo CAP sights and an Apex trigger.

- Smith & Wesson Model 10 in .38 Special: This is an Australian police trade-in with a very smooth trigger. I trained with a heavy barrel Model 10 extensively during my first police academy, and I've come to think of it as sort of the gold standard against which all other combat revolvers are judged. Sometimes a guy just wants to carry a revolver, okay? When I do carry it, it's usually with Winchester PDX1 +P JHPs. If I'm feeling old school, I might rock some Nyclads.

- Ruger LCR in .38 Special: Sometimes I want to carry a pocket gun that can be fired from within the pocket. This is that gun. I had an airweight J-frame for years but I never really liked it. It was a fine gun, but it wasn't any fun to shoot. The LCR isn't that much bigger than a typical J-frame, but it's actually a pleasant-shooting gun despite being slightly lighter than an airweight Smith. It has a better trigger too. Like the Model 10 above, this is typically carried with +P PDX1s. Gun is bone stock.

You crazy.

stgdz
Nov 3, 2006

158 grains of smiley powered justice



Gun: Dan Wesson Guardian, Springer compact, jframe

Caliber: 45acp and 38SPL

bullet230gr +p HST and gold dot short barrel 135gr

Trigger Type: SAO and DAO

Modified from stock? 1Yes

If so, how? Wolf lightened springs in jframe, compact has crimson trace grips

BeltsTwo beltman belts and a nylon stiffner belt that is no longer for sale

Holster Raven phatom owb, TTgunleather, and bladetech IWB, desantis super fly pocket holster

Why? When I started shooting handguns I would stay with one platform and decided on the 1911, I know the platform inside and and out and I know how to shoot well with it. It simplifies everything as I have one holster design for my guns.

The J-frame is my standard pocket carry, I use that as a carry item about 85% of the time I carry.

For belts, I bucked up about 10-12 years ago for beltman belts and they are still going strong to this day. The nylon belt is what I use for OWB carry and deezgramps had suggested it but it is no longer for sale.


Regarding the holsters, I used to IWB carry almost all the time until I saw IR stating that he just owb in a tshirt and glck 17. Picked up a phantom holster and the IWB holsters have essentially been shelved. The little desantis pocket holster is great and I can't believe how well it has worked.

stgdz fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Dec 14, 2017

CommanderApaul
Aug 30, 2003

It's amazing their hands can support such awesome.


Darth Freddy posted:

For the guys rocking the mini red dot. How do you activate it? Just turn it on before you go out? Easy to hit toggle?

The Burris has a stated battery life of almost a year and a half and a 9-hour auto-off, so I just turn it on when I put the gun on. The default setting auto-adjusts to ambient light. If it turns off, the rear of the sight has a vertical stripe down the center that is good enough to get on target at short range, and the power button is reachable with my offhand thumb without shifting my grip.

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

border patrol qt


Plaster Town Cop

Party Plane Jones posted:

I'm curious, what were/are your plans for all those Glock 22 lowers you bought from that deal I posted in the deals thread?

One is now a KE34, and two are now KE17s.




I know.

I desperately want to thin my collection down, but it's so hard. They're all precious to me.

The Slack Lagoon
Jun 17, 2008



Would it be out of place to ask why people carry?

I have a CCW, but doubt I'll ever carry. In my state in order to own a handgun you need a CCW. I got it to do target shooting.

Carry for job/crime risk/wild boar?

Duckboat
May 15, 2012


The Slack Lagoon posted:

Would it be out of place to ask why people carry?

I have a CCW, but doubt I'll ever carry. In my state in order to own a handgun you need a CCW. I got it to do target shooting.

Carry for job/crime risk/wild boar?

Let me guess, MA?

Yeah, I've had an LTC for almost two years and have never carried. Mostly due to the fact that at work I occasionally stop at places where it is illegal.

I totally get carrying just because you can though, this is America. : patriot:

Exit Strategy
Dec 10, 2010



The Slack Lagoon posted:

Would it be out of place to ask why people carry?

I have a CCW, but doubt I'll ever carry. In my state in order to own a handgun you need a CCW. I got it to do target shooting.

Carry for job/crime risk/wild boar?

I can.

If that's not enough justification, I'm a terminal heart patient without the ability to do intensive physical training. I *can* shoot, however, and since I can't run, if a Bad Thing happens I'd rather have literally any chance instead of none.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




Exit Strategy posted:

I can.

If that's not enough justification, I'm a terminal heart patient without the ability to do intensive physical training. I *can* shoot, however, and since I can't run, if a Bad Thing happens I'd rather have literally any chance instead of none.

Man, sorry to hear that. I recently almost had to use a wheelchair and you better believe Iíd be packing in that situation. Your back is perpetually to everyone.

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it


Exit Strategy posted:

I can.

If that's not enough justification, I'm a terminal heart patient without the ability to do intensive physical training. I *can* shoot, however, and since I can't run, if a Bad Thing happens I'd rather have literally any chance instead of none.

:/ Are you going to be listed for transplant?

NickBlasta
May 16, 2003

Clearly their proficiency at shooting is supernatural, not practical, in origin.


The Slack Lagoon posted:

Would it be out of place to ask why people carry?

I have a CCW, but doubt I'll ever carry. In my state in order to own a handgun you need a CCW. I got it to do target shooting.

Carry for job/crime risk/wild boar?

I carry because I'm not going to put my life in the hands of someone who wants to beat me up or kill me. It's not likely to ever happen but if it does the police will not be there to help you.

Exit Strategy
Dec 10, 2010



Kommienzuspadt posted:

:/ Are you going to be listed for transplant?

Yep. Don't need the transplant yet, ICD and medication have it under control enough for basic activity.

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.



NickBlasta posted:

I carry because I'm not going to put my life in the hands of someone who wants to beat me up or kill me. It's not likely to ever happen but if it does the police will not be there to help you.

This, basically. And from experience I know how fast poo poo can go down, and how fragile life is.

As far as my setup:

Glock 17, with grip cut to the length of a Glock 19
Trijicon HD sights in yellow
3.5lb connector (for a total trigger pull weight of 4.5lbs)
Surefire X300U with DG switch
Speer Gold Dot 147gr rounds
2 spare G17 mags in a Blue Force Gear 10-speed type pouch (they sit so close together that even if it does print, it looks like I'm carrying one of those phone holsters)

I started carrying 10 years ago with a Sig P239 and have gone in the opposite direction of most, going to a bigger pistol rather than smaller. My reasoning is that I want something as capable as possible, if things go bad. Likewise with the light. From Drav's link, they aren't generally that useful, but given that I spend a lot of time outdoors and in the wilderness, I want a light source to ID targets and potentially use as a force escalation measure. The only down side is bulk, weight and cost, after all. Doesn't affect the pistol's performance.

I use a 3.5 connector because I use that in every Glock that I own. This way I am consistent across all pistols, both for competition use and practical use.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.



Also note that that link cut an exception out around home defense. That's a situation where not having the capability to reliably ID something could go horribly wrong. The utility of a light seems to be less in winning fights and more in avoiding false positives.

xthetenth fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Dec 16, 2017

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.



Yeah I remember a few years ago in Boulder, some homeowner shot what he thought was a home invader, but was actually some drunk college girl who went into the wrong house.

I think she lived, but it's still not a situation I want to be in.

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Butch Cassidy
Jul 28, 2010



The Slack Lagoon posted:

Would it be out of place to ask why people carry?

"Why not?" Is a better question for me. A J-frame or pocket .380 is a breeze to carry so why not?

Beyond that casual level, as many on this forum are, I like to have something meatier and step up to a double-stack on the belt. It's no more an inconvenience than the increasingly ubiquitous smartphone in a belt pouch. More convenient than an iPhone shoved in a too-small rear end pocket, for that matter. So it's no undue burden to carry a gun. Plus the bit where many at this point are at least partially carrying a token of a hobby.

If we're talking about the mindset that brings one to lug lethal force around everywhere, I'm not much help there. From my perspective, carrying weapons is just a thing people do. While most of the role models I had while growing up would be less than supportive of daily carry, they were still mostly cops, EMTs, and nurses. My perspective is certainly darker than average for it and undoubtedly formed my relatively casual feelings about violence. It exists, tools are made to deal with it at several levels, I've had my rear end kicked before and will avail myself of those tools.

Similar thinking leaves me with a med kit no further than the car at any given time, hiking/woods bumming with no less kit than will enable a survivable impromptu overnight, and so on.

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