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Beastyfella
Mar 5, 2008


Ho-oh is pretty mediocre compared to other legendaries and even non legendary Pokemon so long as it doesn't have a STAB quick move.

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Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Have you seen my glasses


Psychobabble! posted:

Does anyone happen to have a link to that article that was hypothetically talking about which legendaries to spend rare candies on? Or an updated one now that they've all been released? I have 190 candies cluttering up my space and it's looking like I'm goddamn never getting a mewtwo(I'd save the majority obviously just in case but freeing up 50~ would be nice)

I caught a 2735 Ho-oh today when the seattle weather happened to shift to sunny . It's 84.4, am I right in thinking(unless I catch a higher iv one on a sunny day before it's gone) that I should take the hit on iv and power that one up? It seems like the returns given the rarity of rare candies vs it not being 90+% makes it worth it

if you have a decent Raikou or Zapdos, they are probably the two best electric attackers in the game. Really useful vs Suicune and the legendary birds

Willsun
Dec 9, 2006

I willed too hard again...


Because people keep asking about it, might as well repost this from the old thread:

List of cross-generation evolutions that have anything to do with what we can collect right now:

Gen 3
  • Azurill (baby) → Marill
  • Wynaut (baby) → Wobbuffet

Gen 4
  • Magneton → Magnezone
  • Lickitung → Lickilicky
  • Rhydon → Rhyperior
  • Happiny (baby) → Chansey
  • Tangela → Tangrowth
  • Mime Jr. (baby) → Mr. Mime
  • Electabuzz → Electivire
  • Magmar → Magmortar
  • Eevee → Leafeon
  • Eevee → Glaceon
  • Porygon2 → Porygon-Z
  • Munchlax (baby) → Snorlax
  • Togetic → Togekiss
  • Bonsly (baby) → Sudowoodo
  • Aipom → Ambipom
  • Yanma → Yanmega
  • Murkrow → Honchkrow
  • Misdreavus → Mismagius
  • Gligar → Gliscor
  • Sneasel → Weavile
  • Piloswine → Mamoswine
  • Mantyke (baby) → Mantine
  • Budew (baby) → Roselia
  • Roselia → Roserade
  • Kirlia → Gallade
  • Dusclops → Dusknoir
  • Chingling (baby) → Chimecho
  • Snorunt → Frosslass

Gen 5
    Nothing

Gen 6
  • Eevee → Sylveon

Gen 7
  • Pikachu → Alolan Raichu
  • Exeggcute → Alolan Exeggutor
  • Cubone → Alolan Marowak

In other words, there's nothing you previously collected that you need to worry about for gen 3 because it's just two baby forms. Gen 4 is the one with everything.

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010


Itís my turn to post that the Extreme weather classification is garbage. There is nothing extreme about light snowfall at 0 Celsius.

kxZyle
Nov 7, 2012



Pillbug

If I had to guess the extreme weather shenanigans are due to the Pokťmon Company being overzealous and lawyer-y about safety. Sucks that it actually directly affects gameplay, unlike the excessive driving warnings.

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009



Fun Shoe

Does anyone notice the weather bringing out pokemon that weren't already common to their biome? For me it seems to only bring out stuff that was already spawning in my area.

I wonder if that's by design or just bad luck on my part, because it would suck if it's still biome restricted.

Bear Retrieval Unit fucked around with this message at Dec 10, 2017 around 13:15

Sprite Based
Nov 13, 2004

dance dance sasquatch

I had most of the weekend to myself, and spent it wandering around hunting the new mons. A few observations...

Being able to catch weather-boosted Pokemon over level 30 with increased IVs is nuts, and borderline broken (not that I'm complaining). Assembling a decent raid team used to take actual effort. Now, it can easily be done in a few days, provided you have sufficient candy stockpiled. I caught a 97% IV Geodude at level 35. I had enough Geodude candy saved up, so a quick couple evolutions, a charge TM, and a little stardust, and I had an instant, top-tier raid attacker ready to go.

While I think this perhaps makes things too easy, I do like that it puts emphasis back on hunting and exploring, while at the same time drastically reducing the importance of stardust and simultaneously making candy good for something other than powering up raid catches.

For me personally, I think I'm pretty much done spending stardust on anything that's not a legendary -- you can basically catch whatever you need now, IVs be damned. Of course, with everyone having access to this, maybe IVs become even more important for hitting that top breakpoint and squeezing out that last bit of damage? Who knows.

At any rate, I love the new update -- it looks great, plays great, and adds a fresh new dimension to the game.

Apropos of nothing, has anyone seen a Mudkip? I've caught a Torchic and a Treecko, but I haven't even seen a Mudkip, and I live in a pretty water-centric biome. I've spotted multiple Squirtles and Tototdiles, but strangely, zero Mudkips.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

This neckbearded nerd has incredibly stupid opinions on fantasy firearms.

"Remember, Mastershakeman is literally always wrong."




it's just going to make charge TMs even more valuable - now my golem army can all be level 35 (presumably) but I'm still going to need the right moveset

and considering I've gotten one fast and one charge TM in three months , whee

voodoorootbeer
Nov 8, 2004

We may have years, we may have hours, but sooner or later we push up flowers.

Sprite Based posted:

Apropos of nothing, has anyone seen a Mudkip? I've caught a Torchic and a Treecko, but I haven't even seen a Mudkip, and I live in a pretty water-centric biome. I've spotted multiple Squirtles and Tototdiles, but strangely, zero Mudkips.

Totodile is Porygon-level rare here, we live nowhere near water, and somehow I've seen four Mudkips since the update

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010


We've seen before that biomes and events can spawn pokemon based on their final evolution type rather than their current type (for example, Slugma showing up during the Rock event even though it doesn't get Rock-type until it evolves to Magcargo). Mudkip isn't Water/Ground but its final evo is - do you live in an area with a lot of Ground-types?

Datasmurf
Jan 19, 2009

Carpe Noctem



I like how this is what's qualifying as extreme weather for Niantic.
Can't wait to see how it is in an actual storm.

voodoorootbeer
Nov 8, 2004

We may have years, we may have hours, but sooner or later we push up flowers.

Prop Wash posted:

We've seen before that biomes and events can spawn pokemon based on their final evolution type rather than their current type (for example, Slugma showing up during the Rock event even though it doesn't get Rock-type until it evolves to Magcargo). Mudkip isn't Water/Ground but its final evo is - do you live in an area with a lot of Ground-types?

Dang, I didn't think of that. Phanpy, Gligar, and Rhyhorn are all common enough and Woopers spawn like Pidgeys.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

So I should take advantage of this giant sprawling mudkip nest near my house while I can huh?

Dr. Abysmal
Feb 17, 2010

We're all doomed

Bear Retrieval Unit posted:

Does anyone notice the weather bringing out pokemon that weren't already common to their biome? For me it seems to only bring out stuff that was already spawning in my area.

I wonder if that's by design or just bad luck on my part, because it would suck if it's still biome restricted.

It's mostly the same old junk for me, but windy weather appeared to cause a few Dratinis to spawn earlier, we usually only see them along the water here.

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004




Offensive Clock

Datasmurf posted:



I like how this is what's qualifying as extreme weather for Niantic.
Can't wait to see how it is in an actual storm.

Apparently itís because Accuweather shows an avalanche warning for half of Norway, even places that are like 1000 miles away from a real mountain

Datasmurf
Jan 19, 2009

Carpe Noctem

ymgve posted:

Apparently itís because Accuweather shows an avalanche warning for half of Norway, even places that are like 1000 miles away from a real mountain

Amazing. drat you, Accuweather!

tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005


Getting a lot of vulpix due to the weather feature which is nice. Might be able to evolve a ninetails here soon!

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.


I've also found a bunch of Vulpix and it's snowing here.
Also, no bonuses for most of the day due to "extreme" weather, i.e. 2 cm of snow.

Dr Tran
Dec 17, 2002

HE'S GOT A PH.D. IN
KICKING YOUR ASS!


Magikarp spawns seem to have increased signifigantly

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

Mudkip nest in AZ, in Surprise. Got enough in two days to evolve 2 amazing ones.

Also caught a baby firebird, Treeko, and a loving Ralts today!

Found the gen3 tier-2 boss and caught on the first ball.

Now I need a sloth.

Beastyfella
Mar 5, 2008


Dr Tran posted:

Magikarp spawns seem to have increased signifigantly

I've noticed this too. We have hardly any real water here, but the major dry washes have a ton of karp in them now. More water features seen to spawn them now too

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010


The weather was extreme all day here, from the light snow in the morning to the rain in the afternoon. I get what they were going for, but the weather system seems more or less inoperative in this area because weíll be under various kinds of weather advisories until spring.

Psychobabble!
Jun 22, 2010

Ask me about getting toned!


Is there any reason to keep dragon tail as a legacy move on gyarados or should I flip these bitches over?

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.


I suppose it may be useful to have an attacker with double Dragon moves that is not weak to Dragon moves itself in case there are ever raids on Dragon types. But you can also just throw more Dragonites at it.

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION


Fun Shoe

Psychobabble! posted:

Is there any reason to keep dragon tail as a legacy move on gyarados or should I flip these bitches over?

If you have a dragonite with double dragon moves, no. Otherwise get yourself the best water type in the game.

Willsun
Dec 9, 2006

I willed too hard again...


This update has confirmed what I feared: Electrike is rare af.

Boywunda
Jun 25, 2003



Willsun posted:

This update has confirmed what I feared: Electrike is rare af.

Really, he's everywhere in my Neighborhood. Winnipeg....

TheMaestroso
Nov 4, 2014

I must know your secrets.

Gen 3 in general seems to be much rarer than anything else.

E:

tangy yet delightful posted:

How does the new charge attack button work on raids? Is it a long press or just a tap? I did another solo ivysaur raid today and couldn't tell which one was working and/or if I was lagging. Still won just fine of course but it'd be nice to know how I'm supposed to press the button.

Tap works for me.

TheMaestroso fucked around with this message at Dec 11, 2017 around 03:28

tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005


How does the new charge attack button work on raids? Is it a long press or just a tap? I did another solo ivysaur raid today and couldn't tell which one was working and/or if I was lagging. Still won just fine of course but it'd be nice to know how I'm supposed to press the button.

GonSmithe
Apr 25, 2010

Perhaps it's in the nature of television. Just waves in space.


tangy yet delightful posted:

How does the new charge attack button work on raids? Is it a long press or just a tap? I did another solo ivysaur raid today and couldn't tell which one was working and/or if I was lagging. Still won just fine of course but it'd be nice to know how I'm supposed to press the button.

Just a tap. So all you have to do is tap the button over and over and you'll use the charge as soon as it's ready.

Willsun
Dec 9, 2006

I willed too hard again...


It's just a tap. You can mash that button however many times you like.

Boywunda posted:

Really, he's everywhere in my Neighborhood. Winnipeg....

My personal anecdote for California is that the most common gen 3 spawns are Roselia and Seedot. Everything else is a modest sprinkling. Haven't seen Mudkip out of the starters, and most people's reports are that Minun must be somewhere else in the world because we only see Plusle. The things that I'm guessing aren't impossible but are very rare are the Electrike, Meditite, and Seviper.

Pomplamoose
Jun 28, 2008



Parrotine posted:

Read on some Reddit thread that it costs 400 whopping candies to get a Wailord

Someone please tell me this isn't true

Really? Milotic would make more sense since it's the gen3 analog of gyarados but I guess Wailord is the biggest pokemon so would need the most candy.

Psychobabble! posted:

Does anyone happen to have a link to that article that was hypothetically talking about which legendaries to spend rare candies on? Or an updated one now that they've all been released? I have 190 candies cluttering up my space and it's looking like I'm goddamn never getting a mewtwo(I'd save the majority obviously just in case but freeing up 50~ would be nice)

if you only have three digits worth of candy

quote:

I caught a 2735 Ho-oh today when the seattle weather happened to shift to sunny . It's 84.4, am I right in thinking(unless I catch a higher iv one on a sunny day before it's gone) that I should take the hit on iv and power that one up? It seems like the returns given the rarity of rare candies vs it not being 90+% makes it worth it

I'm going to level mine up to 30 and use it for solo machamp raids. My team is 1 level 40 Espeon, 3 level 30 Espeons, 1 level 30 Ho oh with extrasensory and brave bird, and 1 level 30 Lugia with extrasensory and sky attack.

MY PALE GOTH SKIN posted:

For the first time in my city, non-sponsored locations that already had an EX raid got.. An EX raid. That is a terrible sentence. Tired.

Three repeat locations. One far east, one far west, one down in one of those small-city-in-a-big-city places.

Surprisingly, I got a pass. This is my 5th, and assuming I catch it, my 4th Mewtwo. The second one, I never had a chance, RNG wasn't letting it happen.

Anyway, I feel less than thrilled. Other people need one Mewtwo. Or two. Etc. And the person I've been playing with the most didn't get one, despite also soloing a Cloyster there on Sunday, in addition to raiding there more frequently than I do. His baby Valor account got a pass though, for whatever reason.


I hope they develop the EX pass system more. This one is a 35 minute drive, starts at 5:30 on a Friday. I'll go, but I'm lucky, I work for myself and have already decided I'm gonna go early and hit stops in the park to avoid traffic. Not everyone has that choice, or can afford to blow half a tank of gas on Mewtwo.

It would be nice if we could select a radius around our home zip code and time frames for EX passes. Obviously, you could just select "all, any time, any where" so as not to screw anyone. out of a pass.

N

I'm starting to think they didn't actually change anything with EX raids being based on badge progress and it's still just random but with previous EX recipients getting priority.

TheMaestroso
Nov 4, 2014

I must know your secrets.

Willsun posted:

My personal anecdote for California is that the most common gen 3 spawns are Roselia and Seedot. Everything else is a modest sprinkling. Haven't seen Mudkip out of the starters, and most people's reports are that Minun must be somewhere else in the world because we only see Plusle. The things that I'm guessing aren't impossible but are very rare are the Electrike, Meditite, and Seviper.

This is me as well, though that may be in part due to the clear weather boosting grass spawns the past couple days.

On the issue of rares/regionals, I've seen consensus that Plusle/Minun and Zangoose/Seviper are separated by Americas+Africa and Europe+Asia+Australia.

TheMaestroso
Nov 4, 2014

I must know your secrets.

Pomplamoose posted:

I'm starting to think they didn't actually change anything with EX raids being based on badge progress and it's still just random but with previous EX recipients getting priority.

Comment on a TSR post:

quote:

I'm a professional statistician, and while I applaud your effort, you can't draw any conclusions from this data. There are two fundamental problems here:

1) Most importantly, this is based on voluntary response data on TSR, and hence is not a random sample from the full population of POGO players. I think it's safe to assume that TSR readers are much more likely to have a gold badge than an average player. There's also possible selection bias in that people who have gold badges and didn't get picked are possibly more likely to report their result because they are annoyed and want their voice heard.
2) A second major issue is that previous TSR research shows that players who have never received an EX invite are much more likely to receive one. (In fact, this seems to be the most important variable by far.) Players who have never received an EX invite are less likely to have gold badges, which may create the impression that a gold badge works against you. (This is something called "Simpson's paradox" if you want to google it.)

The best way to do this analysis would be to briefly survey players who do tier 4/5 raids at EX gyms before the passes are distributed. This would be difficult to do because obviously most potential EX gyms do not get picked for an EX raid in a given week. But that's the only way to get representative data. Even then the data wouldn't be perfectly representative, because there is no realistic way to include solo players who do tier 1/2 raids at the gym. But it's probably the best we can do. If the TSR staff want to try to organize this type of study, I would be happy to volunteer to collect some data in my city.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRo...ecember_survey/

The basic gist being that anecdotal evidence doesn't amount to much, but also it's really hard to actually collect real data on EX raid invites.

a sexual elk
May 16, 2007

Stupid Vikings


All Iíve seen so far walking around my neighborhood is 8 Torchics in LA, gonna take the kid to the pier tomorrow maybe have some luck there.

Willsun
Dec 9, 2006

I willed too hard again...


Has anyone confirmed what determines what a Wurmple evolves into? I see theories about naming tricks, time of day, or IVs but nothing seems to stick because people seem to easily refute them.

TheMaestroso
Nov 4, 2014

I must know your secrets.

Willsun posted:

Has anyone confirmed what determines what a Wurmple evolves into? I see theories about naming tricks, time of day, or IVs but nothing seems to stick because people seem to easily refute them.

Everything I've seen points to it being the flip of a coin.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.


It was random in the original games too, and seeing how much Niantic likes random evolution, it's quite likely that they kept it.

Dr Tran
Dec 17, 2002

HE'S GOT A PH.D. IN
KICKING YOUR ASS!


a sexual elk posted:

All Iíve seen so far walking around my neighborhood is 8 Torchics in LA, gonna take the kid to the pier tomorrow maybe have some luck there.

Pier sucked. Go to the Pike instead

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Louisgod
Sep 25, 2003

Always Watching


Willsun posted:

Has anyone confirmed what determines what a Wurmple evolves into? I see theories about naming tricks, time of day, or IVs but nothing seems to stick because people seem to easily refute them.

Does Wurmple evolve into the one of two cocoons at random? Iím fine with that as long as you donít have to spend 50 candies to try and get a random 3rd tier evolution?

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