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I honestly never really bought the idea of desert people somehow being superior to the rest of the universe/conquerors. They'd likely be malnourished with poor genetics due to a restrictive gene pool and the need to reproduce like rabbits to replace people dying from a 33 year old life expetancy. The idea of someone transforming themselves into a desert 'creature', waging jihad, and threatening to end civilization by blowing themselves and everyone else around them right the gently caress up was fairly prescient.
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Damo posted:I've read Dune twice and it was great both times. There is no reason to read anything past Dune. Just stop, seriously. If you get apologists telling you anything else, ignore it. Dune is fantastic. Everything else is garbage. I have warned you. Don't be a dummy buddy or i'll turn you into a creature in the shape of a chair who can only respond to requests like "fimer", "softer" "lumbar support poochy" "come here boy, the duke's back aches today"
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Milo and POTUS posted:ive read the first one but it was decades back now when i was in middle school and i dont recall no chairdogs according to the wiki, chairdogs are first mentioned in the 5th book
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All of the characters post-Dune are so loving alien and far removed from humanity as I know it that I cannot relate to them at all and I therefore find it very difficult to give a gently caress about them or their struggles The rabbits in Watership Down are far more compelling
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I relate to them so much that Miles Teg is practically my spirit animal and Odrade is the very essence of my feminine side.
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Doctor Dogballs posted:The super gay sci-fi masterpiece, DUDE 
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Tomorrow you'll need all your faculties to meet my gom jabbar.
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"spice" is a metaphor for drugs
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water is a metaphor for "wet"
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several references to the middle east. deserts, and zen-sunni
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Blurry Gray Thing posted:The wealthy malcontents had far more destructive things they could use than just 'rig a laser to shoot at a shield'. This is a good post. There is a part in Children where a guide tries to assassinate pre-worm Leto by using a shield belt to attract a worm towards him. It's a good read, imo.
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Zippy the Bummer posted:All of the characters post-Dune are so loving alien and far removed from humanity as I know it that I cannot relate to them at all and I therefore find it very difficult to give a gently caress about them or their struggles Watership Dune
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FAGGY CLAUSE posted:I honestly never really bought the idea of desert people somehow being superior to the rest of the universe/conquerors. They'd likely be malnourished with poor genetics due to a restrictive gene pool and the need to reproduce like rabbits to replace people dying from a 33 year old life expetancy. The idea of someone transforming themselves into a desert 'creature', waging jihad, and threatening to end civilization by blowing themselves and everyone else around them right the gently caress up was fairly prescient. i remember this
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Zippy the Bummer posted:All of the characters post-Dune are so loving alien and far removed from humanity as I know it that I cannot relate to them at all and I therefore find it very difficult to give a gently caress about them or their struggles moneo was the only dude with his head on straight in all of God Emperor
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ohfuckohfuckohfuck this god drat monster is gonna kill me shitshitshitshit
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Prav posted:moneo was the only dude with his head on straight in all of God Emperor He was a chickenshit coward, though.
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Doctor Dogballs posted:The super gay sci-fi masterpiece, DUDE all these words sound cool
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Shaddak posted:On the subject of the Dune Legends series (the prequels Brian Herbert co-wrote with Kevin J. Anderson), I would agree that their definitely not "good" books. If you're a big fan of Frank Herbert, or his Dune stuff specifically, don't read them. If you're looking for a mildly entertaining book to read, the kind of thing that has building sized cyborgs destroying poo poo (which I suspect is probably Andersons influence), then go ahead. Their a lot more entertaining if you pretend their action stories that have nothing to do with Dune. I gotta agree with this. Some of the characters are completely flat, and some are written as downright obtusely incompetent, but some parts are good in a pulpy sense. I liked the 3rd faction of cyborgs, and the juxtaposition of turning the Atreides/Harkonnen relationship on its head, plus the campaign of torching hundreds of inhabited planets to make sure they destroyed the machines was pretty  in a horrifying way.
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Children Of Dune is, i think a good deal better than messiah so far.
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In regards to the whole lasgun versus shields thing, it was mentioned in the first book that the reason nobody uses it as a weapon is because the reaction is completely random. You could have a gigantic atomic level explosion, or it could just blow up the person wearing the shield and the lasgun user. The one time Duncan Idaho does it, it just happens to cause the giant explosion.
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Dune is one of the few famous sci-fi books I never got around to reading and this thread convinced me to start so thanks OP it's pretty good so far
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Also Villeneuve owns and is the best possible director they could've picked for the project. Well, Lynch is still around...
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:With Denis Villeneuve attached to a Dune film project these scenes from Blade Runner 2049 make much more sense as a trial run for the visuals / color palette / etc.: but will it be as good as jorodowski's?
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SniperWoreConverse posted:but will it be as good as jorodowski's? "I want to make Orson Welles into Baron Harkonnen. I propose to him I buy the gastronomic restaurant so he may get into character. Like this, I have Orson Welles." fakeedit: I love Jodorowsky but he was also planning to make some pretty big plot changes that were not conducive to the story.
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I like the ways stilgar says gawd https://youtu.be/5-EdLMxjPCg
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phasmid posted:"I want to make Orson Welles into Baron Harkonnen. I propose to him I buy the gastronomic restaurant so he may get into character. Like this, I have Orson Welles." didn't he have a scene where Dali, as the Emperor of all humanity, shits and pisses into a pair of golden dolphins' open mouths, at the same time? I didn't actually get to see the documentary about it good spaceship design tho
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SniperWoreConverse posted:didn't he have a scene where Dali, as the Emperor of all humanity, shits and pisses into a pair of golden dolphins' open mouths, at the same time? I didn't actually get to see the documentary about it It's worth a watch. Dali had some weird thing where he wanted a pair of toilets shaped like dolphins (and a flaming giraffe but that's not related) because he didn't want the poo poo and the piss to touch eachother. He was basically acting like a stooge and trying to ruin the movie. The spaceships are Chris Foss, and I love the cool-rear end look he gave to pirate ships, having them painted to camouflage them against nebulae and such.
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The Dune series (original six) are my favorite novels. However.....didn't much care for God Emperor. I've read some of Brian's books. The House books are not bad.
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"How do we make a person attractive to a worm-dude-emperor?" "Just put a dude that he sort of doesn't like into the [opposite chamber], and you'll get the most attractive woman in the universe, silly!" "Oh yeah, that's brilliant, and if we do it in a cloaking device room, then even people with magic future-vision won't know what happens."
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no-ships and no-rooms make little sense but i guess he really wrote himself into a corner of the possible stories that could be told under the spectre of prescient demigods.
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I really liked Dune when I was young but it kinda suffers when you try to think about plot points too much. What strikes me as the worst is the fall of the Atreides. Everyone including supposedly super intelligent and devious mentat is looking for a traitor and noone is above suspicion except the doctor due to his unbreakable imperial training. Training so profound that only the sick minds of Harkonnen could think of something like GASP kidnapping his loved one for blackmail. Duke, knowing that his house is infiltrated sees that sentries of force field room are missing, finds a dying servant and instead of sounding the alarm or telling anyone at all goes by himself into a dark corridor while turns off his shield so "it wont constrain his movement"  This is just so dumb and such a stark contrast with with paranoid future security that the book keeps emphasizing from the start.
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SniperWoreConverse posted:but will it be as good as jorodowski's? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrd-VWiBZM
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Yueh was suspected and nearly caught by Jessica and Hawat but mitigating circumstance and chance saved him.
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studio: *gives jodorowsky millions of dollars* *he blows it all on expensive art books and concept drawings that have the bare-minimum to do with dune, wants to hire salvador dali* jodorowsky: RAPE RAPE RAPE studio: oh god alejandro what are you doing
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basic hitler posted:Yueh was suspected and nearly caught by Jessica and Hawat but mitigating circumstance and chance saved him. Yeah, maybe. It was a long time. As for lasgun+shield discussion, I think Frank realized that this mechanic was kinda a bad idea. If I am not mistaken force fields are being mentioned as little as possible (if at all) after book 1.
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i see lasguns as like peasant-killing weapons more than anything else. if the lower orders get out of line the feudal house can just carve a whole mob into pieces
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basic hitler posted:Yueh was suspected and nearly caught by Jessica and Hawat but mitigating circumstance and chance saved him. Your new av really sucks 
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Spinster posted:Your new av really sucks I like it on a certain level but i've been thinking about going back to my duck or that thing you made a while back for a new av. we'll see.
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phasmid posted:It's worth a watch. Dali had some weird thing where he wanted a pair of toilets shaped like dolphins (and a flaming giraffe but that's not related) because he didn't want the poo poo and the piss to touch eachother. He was basically acting like a stooge and trying to ruin the movie. dali was kinda a tool from everything ive read about him
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Spinster posted:Your new av really sucks What's wrong with it? Certainly stands out. Especially in a thread that's fundamentally about space drugs.
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