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Your dumb. The new books by his son were real good. I’ve read them multiple times for real.
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Tsaedje posted:I never understood why every character was so impressed by Duncan Idaho. He never did anything Iirc, he was good enough to earn the respect of Stilgar and get him to meet Leto.
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Dec 12, 2017 18:08
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I didn't read any of this thread but I'm glad to see that everyone agrees with me that God Emperor is the best book, a supreme achievement in literature, and everything after that (wrt Dune) sucks.
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Womyn Capote posted:I didn't read any of this thread but I'm glad to see that everyone agrees with me that God Emperor is the best book, a supreme achievement in literature, and everything after that (wrt Dune) sucks. I like the sex ninja nuns in a comedy way.
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Dec 12, 2017 21:16
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Piggy Smalls posted:Your dumb. The new books by his son were real good. I’ve read them multiple times for real. You need to get smacked around a little bit for this opinion
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Dec 12, 2017 21:31
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Are they gonna keep the long bushy eyebrows on the mentats? This is important.
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Dec 12, 2017 21:41
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Lareine posted:Gay used to be Not Cool and it is only a recent phenomenon that people have been able to come out to their parents and expect a good reaction. Hell, Matthew Shephard was murdered in 98. Not even been 20 years yet. Frank Herbert died in 86, we don't know when Bruce came out to him. Being only unhappy with his son's gayness would be a comparatively GOOD reaction at the time.
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Dec 12, 2017 21:44
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Tsaedje posted:I never understood why every character was so impessed by Duncan Idaho. He never did anything Idaho is Herbert's "ideal man" that the author himself admires but can never be. On the flip side Leto, Paul, and Leto II all represent the flawed self of the author.
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Dec 12, 2017 22:10
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Idaho is pretty great honestly. he's a written and not merely described badass in children of dune.
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Dec 12, 2017 23:01
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I would pay good money to see a new dune movie. Who would direct? I’m loath to say Spielberg but...
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Dec 12, 2017 23:02
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the blade runner guy is attached to a new one right now
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Dec 12, 2017 23:03
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basic hitler posted:the blade runner guy is attached to a new one right now I don’t even own a tv.... who?
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Jim Barris posted:Ive always felt Dune was overrated. I'd rather read Stanislaw Lem or Phillip K. Dick then Herbert's boring rear end prose. i love how weird and different the universe is and wish more science-fiction was like it instead of standard spaceships and poo poo but frank herbert was a bad writer and i think you're the first one to bring it up. Piggy Smalls posted:Your dumb. The new books by his son were real good. I’ve read them multiple times for real. they're bad. they just remind me of the star wars prequels because they took stuff from the original work but interpreted it in the wrongest way. nobody growing up thought the clone wars were wars fighting WITH clones it shoulda been a war against clones. same with the butlerian jihad, i never thought it was a war against robots because the robots were oppressors (and certainly not people's brains in robots lmao) i always assumed it was a religious backlash against robots in general especially since robot rebellions are so loving played out.
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Dec 12, 2017 23:08
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I always read the butlerian jihad as a hard rebellion against the weakening of mankind caused by THINKING MACHINES like how the internet and facebook even in 2017 has turned us into soft weak babymen. Not a terminator-esque war against the machines
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Dec 12, 2017 23:15
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basic hitler posted:I always read the butlerian jihad as a hard rebellion against the weakening of mankind caused by THINKING MACHINES like how the internet and facebook even in 2017 has turned us into soft weak babymen. Not a terminator-esque war against the machines More fuel for my carbon powered cars
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basic hitler posted:I always read the butlerian jihad as a hard rebellion against the weakening of mankind caused by THINKING MACHINES like how the internet and facebook even in 2017 has turned us into soft weak babymen. Not a terminator-esque war against the machines yeah exactly. why the gently caress would they put themselves in giant robot bodies and then get taken over by an AI??? i always took it to be a luddite thing.
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https://twitter.com/Papapishu/status/698255231797370880
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basic hitler posted:I always read the butlerian jihad as a hard rebellion against the weakening of mankind caused by THINKING MACHINES like how the internet and facebook even in 2017 has turned us into soft weak babymen. Not a terminator-esque war against the machines Yeah a truly strong AI probably wouldn't go the Terminator route it would just slowly soften our species to the point of extinction with memes, porn, and economic manipulation.
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Dec 13, 2017 00:39
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Reminder that it's never too soon to stop reading Dune books.
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https://open.spotify.com/track/0GR2HhZteEmmcLf02bLXid?si=Fle6ERPsSp2128ZGJzM82g I don’t know what it means but I reminds me of dune. They say green peace in it so it must be good
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basic hitler posted:I always read the butlerian jihad as a hard rebellion against the weakening of mankind caused by THINKING MACHINES like how the internet and facebook even in 2017 has turned us into soft weak babymen. Not a terminator-esque war against the machines
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Dec 13, 2017 00:51
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A while back I watched a movie about a movie that was never made. This is the only part I remember: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKjpH2qO8XY&t=33s
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All hail the god emperor
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basic hitler posted:I always read the butlerian jihad as a hard rebellion against the weakening of mankind caused by THINKING MACHINES like how the internet and facebook even in 2017 has turned us into soft weak babymen. Not a terminator-esque war against the machines Kevin J. Anderson only had one original thought in his entire life, and it was a blaster that shoots two beams that meet up in the middle for more shooting power, but you couldn't aim.
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Just started god emperor on audible. Lol the cover is like wolfshirt.jpg because i guess gently caress paying to license cool book art
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I never thought this interpretation was particularly successful. Wouldn't his face be 15 feet tall? Though I'm not sure what the God Emperor would really look like but that isn't surprising since most of Herbert's images don't really add up to much beyond sounding evocative. There's a revealing interview with Lynch's production and design head talking about trying to get Herbert to more concretely describe what he was imagining for some of the things in the book, and the guy just get flustered and tells her to just do whatever is in the book. Welp, it's too bad they're remaking it - for better or worse, Lynch's Dune IS more Dune than Frank Herbert's Dune.
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The actual God Emperor depicted in the book has extremely agile and effective hand appendages, in the area around his head, and the whole thing can become enclosed by a larger worm head if needed. This is pretty close to how I see him in my mind's eye: 
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I just started reading the book for the first time. I saw the Lynch film years ago but all I can remember from it is this weird feeling that it was a Tim & Eric sketch with a fat dude (Harkonnen?) flying around in a big fart-powered gas suit.
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i kinda imagine this with the human face in the worm body. though much smaller. that was oddly from a painting someone made and sold on ebay. also the cover of the 1st ed of god emperor of dune has an image that sorta works for me this too: 
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I only found this recently after this thread got me looking for weird Dune art, but I really like this take on the Leto worm
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The central theme of Dune is really amazing. The whole series centers around the folly of elevating heroes to be rulers. I also love the Islamic threads that run through the series(no, not just because they use the word jihad). If a Dune Movie were to suceed after Lynchs attempt it would have to be split in two parts. It cant be a trilogy because there isnt enough going on in the middle for a movie. The ideal end for the first film is the scene where Liet Kynes dies in the desert remembering the quote from his father about heroes becoming rulers and how bad it generally is as the camera fades out on Paul walking through the desert with his mother.
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Also if they dont make the Harkonnen Duke as grosslooking as Lynch did I am going to be hella pissed
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friendbot2000 posted:Also if they dont make the Harkonnen Duke as grosslooking as Lynch did I am going to be hella pissed The role will go to Tom Hardy
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Villenvue is uninterested in adapting lynch imagery. He's apparently a pretty big fan of Dune and has his own ideas about where to take it. Boilfaced baron being cultivated by jack nance is pure lynch so good luck
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This threads gotten me reading Dune again, I really love the prose in that book still. I'm honestly not sure it's really possible to make a coherent film of Dune, it's far too subtle in all the secret thoughts, gestures and intrigues going on. Not that I dislike the Lynch's Dune, it's great, its just that it should either have been done in more than one film or possibly a proper tv series with an actual budget and good actors this time.
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basic hitler posted:Villenvue is uninterested in adapting lynch imagery. He's apparently a pretty big fan of Dune and has his own ideas about where to take it. Boilfaced baron being cultivated by jack nance is pure lynch so good luck I actually prefer the Baron from the SciFi miniseries anyway. Both that and the Lynch movie are mixed bags for me, and it's hard to think a new one would be any less so, but it sure is fun to have someone try.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:I actually prefer the Baron from the SciFi miniseries anyway. That actor owned and was closer to what I saw the book character as being especially dunking on feyd for his constant incompetence.
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Book baron is displacing some lust for feyd and wants him to succeed despite feyd being a huge loving dullard because the alternative is goddamn Raban
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