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Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"

WhatEvil posted:

Well I heard from multiple places "Don't bother past 3" and honestly the end of 3 felt like a good ending. I've continued watching TV shows and stuff before when people have said "stop at season [x] 'cause it's poo poo after that" and always regretted it.

Wait, didn't the third book have a cliffhanger ending?

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Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"
I think the best advice to anyone new to the series is to stop whenever they stop liking it because they (arguably) don't get better.

However, this is my opinion of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune:

Messiah is basically an extended epilogue to the first book. The ending in Messiah, where a blind Paul walks into the desert alone to avoid further destruction, is a perfect ending to the first book.

Children of Dune was written almost ten years after the first book and was used to kickstart more sequels. Herbert even retcons a few things, especially with Paul. I'm not saying it's bad but it's obviously not meant to be an ending to the series.

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35PWRL0GquM

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"

phasmid posted:

Well, one way is easy and one isn't, imo. That's a big part of why people like Dune but not the next books, because it goes from the generic hero story to a more cynical behind-the-scenes play about the characters' inner lives. It's hard to go from Paul being a great guy to seeing the side of him that cows the galaxy with brute force. Some people like a more straightforward hero story, but Herbert wanted to explore more in detail, which is good since it brings the whole thing to life.

I can never get readers seeing Paul as the great hero in the first book. Even the ending is pretty ominous with all the characters remarking Paul "is like his grandfather."

Movie Dune however...

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"
Herbert was all about grassroots democracy. He talked about how every citizen should have a turn on decision making counsels and there would be no leaders.

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"

basic hitler posted:

Most producers are guys who cut a check or otherwise have a stake in the film production. Brian Herbert is a dumb fuckstick ransacking his father's legacy to boost his own sad lit career; but his taint probably isn't going beyond an advisory/note giving place.

I think so too. I don't know the novel sale numbers but I say the original novel sold far more than any of the sequels. I think Brian is smart enough to not kill the golden goose.

Ahh gently caress, who am i kidding, Cybertrax is going to appear in the postcredit screen, right?

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"
Apparently the Dune board game is coming back after being out of print in english since the 80s.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/05/dune-spice-and-sandworms-power-one-of-the-great-lost-board-games/

Now to con find some friends to play it.

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"
Yeah that's the one. Sorry, I linked to the wrong article. And yikes, that sounds awful. I'm hoping for just a remake of the original, not with all the @duneauthor poo poo.

EDIT: Fingers crossed:
https://twitter.com/pgocosmic/status/1113949698426011649

Joe Chill fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Apr 15, 2019

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"
Its not just Jessica who makes the comparison at the end though. It is heavy implied that Paul's grandfather Atreides was not a nice guy.

The subtext is comparing Paul to his other grandfather, the Baron, because Paul is becoming a tyrant at the end.

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"
I was excited about this but that mat board thing looks awful. It even looks like it has instructions printed on the mat where the cards are standing upright.

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"
There was very brief part like that in Dune Messiah. An old Fremen talks about seeing the ocean for the first time while fighting on another planet IIRC.

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"
Alot of David Lynch fanboys getting rowdy in here all of a sudden.

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"
This is a better read:
http://www.moongadget.com/origins/dune.html

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"
or Asimov's Foundation series...

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

But Children is so so BAD

It started off so good too.

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"
This fan made set uses the old art on the cards with the rules printed on them:
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/531160/scotts-dune-build-project

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"
Herbert wasn't a libertarian in the modern definition. He talked about grass roots democracy in a number of interviews he did, talking about how all citizens should be involved in poltical decisions.

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"
Watched the trailer, hyped as gently caress. Pink Floyd was a nice surprise.

Colonel Cancer posted:

The color of television tuned to a dead channel, next

So blue? :imunfunny:

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-zEMitTkaU

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"

Ingmar terdman posted:

Finished chapterhouse, here is my ranking

Dune
(a lot of space)
Messiah
God Emperor
Children/Heretics (near tie with an edge to Children)
Chapterhouse

Too bad Frank didn't finish, and too bad no one ever wrote another word in this series. It's complete because it's ended here.

I never read Heretics or Chapterhouse but that's how I would rank the rest.

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"

FBS posted:

y'know what's funny is I was going through the Appendices the other day and none of the listed characters lived all that long


pre:
SHADDAM IV		10,134-10,202	68 
LETO ATREIDES		10,140-10,191	51*
LADY JESSICA		10,154-10,256	102
LADY ALIA ATREIDES	10,191-
VLADIMIR HARKONNEN	10,110-10,193	83*
COUNT HASIMIR FENRING	10,133-10,225	92
COUNT GLOSSU RABBAN	10,132-10,193	61*

*Killed during the events of Dune

I think there is an error about the emperor's age. I remember one of the chapter intros mentioning the emperor was 75 but looked 35 or something?

Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"

THE BAR posted:

Yeah but battle pug.

You know, as awful as 80''s Dune was, all the best and most memorable stuff from that movie was all Lynchian.

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Joe Chill
Mar 21, 2013

"What's this dance called?"

"'Radioactive Flesh.' It's the latest - and the last!"

FBS posted:

I'm down with it but how on earth do you cast Count Fenring now?

Mads of course!

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