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Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
DUNE for the first movie, and NUDE for the second movie.

But NUDE is just the weird sex scenes from books 5 and 6.

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Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Ignite Memories posted:

drat dude Javier Bardem is a rad choice for Stilgar

Don't ever speak to me or my ethnically ambiguous space Bedouin dad ever again.

Edit: GODDAMMIT I read that as bad choice gently caress me I'm sorry memories I'll go fall on my crysknife real quick

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

D. Ebdrup posted:

Aren't stoneburners described as being capable of destroying planets by burning down into the core itself?

Yeah, Paul shits on korba in book two because of that. A weapon that either blinds everybody or blows up the planet, the gently caress did you pious dweebs want with it?

Also on book 2, they mention that Stilgar planted the Atreides banner on whatever many planets and straight up sterilized however many others.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Illustrated by Sam Weber
Introduced by Michael Dirda
Afterword by Brian Herbert

I like to imagine the afterword is one of those musical cards gizmos, and it just goes
The beauty of Dune is that it fffaaaaaaaaaaaart
- Brian Herbert, Dune Author

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Jack-Off Lantern posted:

Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of old man sex weird, I'll give it a shot. They're all on audible, I'm not really picky during work.

I think a big reason why I enjoyed the last two books so much when I first read them was me being too young to even register the full brunt of old Frank's sex weirdness. I still love the writing and bigger concepts and themes in those books, but the plentiful specifics of transgalactic pussy magic are firmly in yikes city to me now.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

Firm, you say?

And, much like mentat training, I was to be unaware of the mega horny programming going through my mind until I was ready to understand it, accept it, and consciously continue it. Untold amounts of seemingly unrelated information blitzing through my keenly trained intellect, forming and breaking connections, myriad patterns born and dead in a pico second, until I can exit my hyper aware state and hastily scrawl on a piece of spice fiber paper:

"what if massive bazongas, but in space???"

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
I'm halfway through Heretics (also for the whateverth time) and am very surprised how very little horny-Frank sections there are in the first half.

I know that after the escape from the no-globe part and Teg going SSJ4 it's super-mega-horny Frank time, but for whatever reason I remembered the horny being evenly distributed through the book.

The boner moves. It inflicts itself upon the oracle and the supplicant alike.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
Godsdamnit, Frank!

Dirty Old Frank in Heretics of Dune posted:

When they were clear of the market street, she whispered to Burzmali: "That man in the heavy coat back there -- a Tleilaxu Master!"

"Couldn't be," Burzmali protested. "Too tall."

"Two of them, one on the shoulders of the other."

"You're sure?"

"I'm sure."

"I've seen others like that since we arrived, but I didn't suspect."

"Many searchers are in these streets," she said.

Waff Adultman and his cronies have done it again!

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Doc Hawkins posted:

i had completely forgotten about the futar, it's amazing they haven't come up itt when people discuss the madness of heretics and chapterhouse

The only known antidote to space pussy magic is space pussy bioscience.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

MikeJF posted:

Leto said that one possible future was the mutated hunter-seekers, but that as he drove them away from one thing another would pop up, and so on. The real thing that the Golden Path was trying to avoid was a humanity that stopped spreading and growing, because that meant eventually some threat would be bound to take it out given enough time, just statistically speaking. The Golden Path forcibly scarred humanity into a place where they'd never stop going and growing and changing and evolving new societies and civilisations and mutations and abilities in every new corner of space they reached, so nothing could ever be enough to wipe it all out.

That was my interpretation anyway.

Defiance Industries posted:

That, and to protect people from prescience. Whether the existence of prescience meant that humanity had stopped growing and spreading, or that a humanity that stagnates as the one in Dune did permitted it isn't really clear, but either way, it had to be destroyed.

What are you people even talking about? The actual for real author of Dune has written extensively on the nature of Kralizec, and it is beep boop shapeshifting daleks aaaaaaall the way down. This is clearly set up masterfully in the prequels and pays off rather satisfactorily in the last two very real, very official and very true books of the series. Also sandworms can now swim, for reasons that are immediately obvious and comprehensible for anyone with half a brain.

There's very few things I regret doing in life, but one of them for sure is succumbing to temptation and reading failsons cursed books. I tought "It can't possibly be that bad, even mediocre Dune is better than no Dune" and then I was completely wrong, instantly and forever. I am now become a tragic messiah figure, knowing what is to become of my beloved weirdo desert sci-fi series but powerless to stop it.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

I’m gonna read DUNE for the first time ever in my 4 decades on this earth, hope I enjoy it :)

I have breasted the future to place my words where only you can read them, Comfy Fleece Sweater:

Read all of them, you coward. Space pussy magic or bust.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
I regret to inform the thread that the movie will suck balls

https://mobile.twitter.com/DuneInfo/status/1219368232118882320

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i'm pretty sure kyle machlachlan riding the worm in that rubber stillsuit had some effect on my developing but not-yet-fully-understood sexuality when i saw the 1984 dune

Arrakis, the "just bros being bros" planet.


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Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

StarMinstrel posted:

Haven't kept up much with the news of the movie(s), can anyone here quickly confirm that they're doing two movies and a following mini-serie? I assume also they're restarting from scratch and completely disregarding everything done with the Lynch movie, considering how much of a fail it was at the times. Basically basing it on the book and not remaking the movie or any scenes in it.

Been re-reading the books, and I'll prob give Lynch a try to refresh my memory of what was done with the content. There's like 3 versions of it? What's the better one?

Kinda, we have just the films confirmed so far:

Dune (2020)
Dune 2: Duner (2022)
Dun3: Water Matter (not much, water matter with you?) (2024)
Dune 4: Sietchcoming (2026)
Dune reboot: Rise of Cybertrex (my fever dreams)

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

God loving DAMMIT

It was right there

I'll have to go into the desert after that, my lame rear end water cannot be allowed to taint the tribe's.

gently caress you kiimo I hope villeneuve has Lord Cybertrex in the movies

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Phil Moscowitz posted:

Dunc est bibendum

Dunc est scandere, i sum... corneum?

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Posthuman posted:

I think I found a one-volume collection of all of Brian's works:




"Listen carefully, Brian," the actual, real Dune Author said as they stood above the recycling line. "Observe the cans within cans within cans."

Failson-Brian nodded, thinking: This is more like it. The old monster is letting me in on secret things at last. He must really mean for me to be his heir.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
Ron Howard voice: He didn't

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Jack-Off Lantern posted:

Also, is it just me or did Frank really badly want to be or gently caress Duncan Idaho?

Don't know about you, but it's probably safe to say everybody else in the thread would really badly want to gently caress Duncan. Or at least watch him climb a wall to completion.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

“I never thought it would be easy to serve God," she said. "I just didn't think he would be such a baka gaijin.”

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
You just loving know Leto has bored countless majordomos to death by going on and on and loving on about his Hanzo steel collection.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
Yeah, sure, just don't make it weird

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
George Michael is Farad'n, Maebe is Ghanima, Les Cousins Dangereux is just that dumbass tiger-murder plot

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
N U D E
The Horny Planet

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Tree Bucket posted:

I guess Dune is built around examining the things we do to survive. The desert hawk eats carrion, the Fremen drink poop water, and the nobles have all their kanly forms to obey. Dune asks us to consider which of these we consider more or less good or disgusting, and why. Herbert keeps asking if ecological drives and pressures are tools for humans to use, or laws for humans to transcend, or an inescapable tragedy to which we can only respond by singing something sad with our baliset....
Meanwhile LotR was written by a WW1 veteran. Tolkien came from a civilisation that had also asked "what shall we do to survive?" and decided the answer was to spend half a decade funnelling a few million of their best and brightest into an industrial meat grinder, as efficiently as possible. The West's pursuit of power, efficiency, knowledge and order had culminated in a sixteen year olds coughing up their lungs as green foam in a muddy hole somewhere.
So Tolkien hunts for alternatives. He knows, in a visceral sense, that "survive" is not enough. Tolkien loves- well- the star and the soil, high transcendent beauty and the simple earthly happiness of eating a huge pile of food in a pub with a few friends. A civilization which has ceased to value these things isn't a civilization at all: it has become pragmatic and organised and powerful, aka, Mordor.
So I can see why Tolkien disliked Dune. There is no happiness in Dune. No one enjoys a meal (except for the baron, prior to his "pleasures") and no one finds the stars beautiful (except possibly Leto, once) and no one celebrates together (except for the Fremen, after murdering a bunch of enemies.) Dune's characters spend the whole book seeing through everything and wind up blind; it is a cast of Sarumans and Saurons.
I imagine Tolkien found Dune to be a 300-page exploration of what the trenches had already taught him: humans need more than survival.

I think Tolkien was just angry he didn't come up with Amam pussy magic first.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Nessus posted:

Or did he? Consider the elf tentacles.

Avatar/post combo the likes of which even GAWD has never seen

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
Thread joke answer is "space brain magic"

Failson official lore answer is "space lord Cybertrex magic"

Actual answer is unclear, but Herbert seems to have already established that human consciousness transcends space time. Spice and innate abilities allow humans to see possible futures, Alia can bend time to make Paul hear her voice in the future/past, teg goes supersayan just by thinking about it, Duncan is so hunky and lived so many lives he can see no-ships and make ladies all warm and tingly just by climbing walls and poo poo.

It is by will alone, etc.

So it would not surprise me if his plans for the face dancers would have been as a foil to Duncan's humanity. Duncan lived many lives, the dancers absorbed many lives, if you put to much human in a single brain poo poo gets weird.

It sure is a shame Herbert died and no further material was ever written on the dune universe after chapterhouse.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
Well, the elven kingdoms did last a thousand years...

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Vlex posted:

So spice is somehow produced by sequestered water + whatever the sandtrout/sand plankton do to reproduce?

I think all stages of the worm's life cycle produce spice, the blows are just more concentrated.

Leto mentions in emperor that water buffered with a poo poo ton of melange is not letal to him, but just water makes his cells freak out and produce spice essence.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
Also, all this talk about Dune's ecology made me remember the failson came up with the term ultraspice, which led me to the wiki pages of the forbidden books, which led me to the following sentences that I now inflict upon you:

Failson posted:

Adapting to their new environment, these "seaworms" quickly flourish, eventually producing a highly concentrated form of spice, dubbed "ultraspice".

Failson posted:

Waff resigns himself to failure and prepares to die; as the last of his sandworm specimens perishes, a dozen sandworms erupt from beneath the surface. Waff realizes that the pearl of Leto II's awareness that each sandworm carries had foreseen the Honored Matre attack on Rakis and buried themselves deep beneath the planet's surface.

Failson posted:

They are met by a party led by the ghola of Vladimir Harkonnen. Seeing the young ghola of Alia when he arrives, he immediately kills her; the original Alia had murdered his original self 5,000 years before.

Failson posted:

Victorious, Paolo takes the ultraspice; overwhelmed by the rapid onset of perfect prescient vision, he slips into a coma.

Failson posted:

When it appears that defeat at the hands of the thinking machine forces is imminent, the Oracle of Time appears with a thousand ships piloted by Guild Navigators and begins to attack the machines.

Failson posted:

Now that Paul is able to devote all of his attention to her, Chani remarks that he has finally learned how to treat his wife.

Dune 8: Anime as gently caress

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
I think it's a well established phenomenon that human languages drop or merge specific sounds over long enough times in a consistent manner, enough so that specialists claim to have a good idea of what Indo-European would sound like.

And since dune is nothing if not a long rear end time between miscellaneous fuckery going abouts, I'd buy that Arrakis looses the vowel over however many thousands of years.




















Paolo.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Heather Papps posted:

also i'm pretty sure that one of the duncan gholas notices how the language has shifted around him when he awakens his memories, maybe? or is it just that he notices he's not a good fighter anymore as directed breeding makes people faster and stronger.

Ghola Duncan is such a dweeb, his train of thought in Emperor goes "ok what did I miss in these millennia until my ghola awakening oh great huge human worm hybrid, alright, oh he speaks with the voice of my dear friend Paul, neato, hey is this forest thing all over dune the desert planet? far out man ahaha that river's named Idaho, that's like, my name dude, rad WOAH WOAH WOAH HOLD UP MONEO ARE THOSE TWO LADIES KISSING??????"

And it takes a superhuman spice infused god to go "jesus christ Duncan chill out let the ladies do their thing the gently caress is wrong with you?", the very same entity that goes "hehehe Imma build a big old donger to shock peeps"

In conclusion, Dune is a land of horny contrasts.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Rime posted:

I'm annoyed that "7000 year old cyborg-savant in cometary orbit dispensing world-shattering technologies until killed by religious ideologues" was thrown out in favor of...the KJA trashfires. This is a very Herbertian idea.

If we can't have Holtzmann zooming around an elliptical orbit just shouting dopplering mad science truth at the near apsis, what is even the point of all this dune bullshit?

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
There's some brief sections during his training/escape in gammu and then in the no ship.

Everything else in the books is nonstop PIV for Duncan, I'm afraid.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
"We're going to try the spice essence!"

"Goddamnit Atreides you're always allowing your wild talents to start poo poo when you're on the spice!"

"We only want to pierce time's veil, we promise we won't let our wild talents start any poo poo!"

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
I mean, the guild will transport whatever you ask it to, provided you pay their exorbitant military fees. Baron even brings up how transporting the sardaukar ends up costing him nearly the entire profits of their decades long fiefdom in Arrakis.

The Atreides strike affects the Harkonnen's stash of personal spice, not really the spice market itself. CHOAM and the guild wouldn't really give a poo poo if one individual house is poo poo out of luck, it's only because Paul threatens the entirety of spice production later that the bean counters sit up and listen.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

revwinnebago posted:

I mean sure Herbert Was Bad.

The "area women dare not look" is also because women (sex vs. gender in the modern debate lol) have the possibility to give birth to prescient babies and (at least in the first book, arguably retconned in different ways in later books) it's supposed to be really hard to make prescience work when multiple presciences are at play in the same zone. Like Paul gets blinded by people selling tarot cards in the market, two pages before he develops Perfect Prescience Vision by being blinded. So uh. Shrug?

Nothing really makes sense in Dune so he could have found a way around this, but there are in-universe reasons why men and women might experience prescience differently, and they're pretty central to how he viewed some of the Big Themes.

By looking into the area women dare not look, Paul understood why some men don't wash they own rear end in a top hat. By looking into the place forbidden to men, Paul understood the secret to washing he own rear end in a top hat. By understanding both halves, he became the Kwizarse Haderach, the Shortening of the Wipe, and became unstoppable.

Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014

Doc Hawkins posted:

in the prequel books duncan escaped to caladan all by himself, as a child. don't ask me to remember details, but i will say the idea fits with the theme of atreides attracting good people to their service.

Ah yes, the clearly alluded to and totally logical in-universe propensity of the guild to charge a literal king's ransom to transport 2 dudes and a suitcase through the gulfs of space while also selflessly comping a loving rando street urchin's passage to a literal beach party planet.

You loving did it again Brian, you absolute unit you!

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Bubblyblubber
Nov 17, 2014
I don't think dirty Frank intended for Duncan to be THE kwisatz haderach, only a possible way to achieve that state. The kwisatz seems to be just a human that's so good at extrapolating that they can see the future. The tleilaxu figure out how to make one but it goes insane, Paul and Leto are more similar because of the direct descendancy.

And while the miles storyline is extremely anime, it also describes him eating and making GBS threads for hours, making it high art.

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