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I said it before and I'll say it again: I don't care how many contributing authors it had, the Dune Encyclopedia is loving entertaining as hell. If you like Dune, I'd recommend it. Also lol what is wrong with that Brian Herbert quote? Is that how he typed before autocorrect existed or what?
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Blurry Gray Thing posted:The wealthy malcontents had far more destructive things they could use than just 'rig a laser to shoot at a shield'. This is a good post. There is a part in Children where a guide tries to assassinate pre-worm Leto by using a shield belt to attract a worm towards him. It's a good read, imo.
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Dec 10, 2017 03:10
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SniperWoreConverse posted:but will it be as good as jorodowski's? "I want to make Orson Welles into Baron Harkonnen. I propose to him I buy the gastronomic restaurant so he may get into character. Like this, I have Orson Welles." fakeedit: I love Jodorowsky but he was also planning to make some pretty big plot changes that were not conducive to the story.
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Dec 10, 2017 18:42
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SniperWoreConverse posted:didn't he have a scene where Dali, as the Emperor of all humanity, shits and pisses into a pair of golden dolphins' open mouths, at the same time? I didn't actually get to see the documentary about it It's worth a watch. Dali had some weird thing where he wanted a pair of toilets shaped like dolphins (and a flaming giraffe but that's not related) because he didn't want the poo poo and the piss to touch eachother. He was basically acting like a stooge and trying to ruin the movie. The spaceships are Chris Foss, and I love the cool-rear end look he gave to pirate ships, having them painted to camouflage them against nebulae and such.
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Dec 10, 2017 19:00
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Are they gonna keep the long bushy eyebrows on the mentats? This is important.
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Dec 12, 2017 21:41
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I've made peace with the fact that there won't ever be a movie I like as much as the one in my head and it's not as though you can just stroll into a movie studio and go "Dude, I just had the coolest loving daydream". So whatever they make of it, hopefully they'll use the books as a springboard to make something unique and interesting. I'm glad this thread turned into a fan thread and not a bunch of dopes talking about how Frank Herbert was bad / a bad writer. Oh, and nthing this Angela Lansburial posted:I was born to be in the C.H.O.A.M. Gang
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Dec 27, 2017 21:38
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JohnnySavs posted:How do they get the drop on Leto II enough to fry one of his arms with a lasgun again? Wasn't he pretty much fully prescient?
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Dec 28, 2017 08:27
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Shaddak posted:It's been years since I read the original Dune novels, so I might be forgetting some details, but something I've been wondering. We know the goal of the Bene Gesserit breeding program was to create the Kwizats Hadderach (I have no idea if that's the right spelling), but why was that important? I mean, if we ignore all the Brian Herbert stuff, why did the witches want to create a superbeing? In Herbert's universe, there was a time when people had a kind of group consciousness. It wasn't really telepathy, but a really intense kind of empathy. Men lost the ability in the ancient times (the BG theorize that it was an impediment to their ability to fight and sire children) and so the few men who still had the ability teamed up with the female-led religious caste and cobbled up a primitive mythology which ended up being the BG - and all the other religions of the earth, which they heavily influenced. Reverend Mothers, ever since, have had access to all their mothers' and grandmothers' memories and first-hand accounts of lots of history - but that's only half. They can't see the male side of the memory, because they are instinctively frightened by it. The Kwizatz Haderach is the long-promised savior who will be able to see the other side. Since he would be a man made by their order, they figure he'll at least join them if they can't dominate him. With him on their side, they will at last have a total picture of human history - and so amplify prescience to give them total power over galactic affairs. Basically, the superbeing is supposed to be a puppet-god. That is my loose interpretation from reading a lot of Dune. Zeniel posted:*Spits on thread* *Nods, spits on your post*
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Dec 28, 2017 20:14
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moller posted:Seeing it written out like that makes it sound remarkably similar to the plot of Zardoz.
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Dec 28, 2017 20:23
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Herbert's own feelings about history come through the books pretty strongly. He makes it pretty clear in interviews he once wanted to be a historian, but decided to write fiction and stuff for newspapers instead. As far as a reliable narrator, one is to take the story as literal yeah, when it's like "Paul got on the worm" that's because he did. But the snippets that begin each chapter as usually esoterica and quotes (often inaccurate) because he was writing as a futuristic historian and them getting lots of stuff about the past wrong was apparently amusing to him. Also, in God Emperor Leto has many prominent historians burned alive with their works in the center of his holy city. When he is asked why he did this, he responds "Because they lied."
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Dec 31, 2017 05:39
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Communist Walrus posted:Duncan Idaho's name is derived from a line of popular in-universe soft drinks. It's in the Brian Herbert books. Jihad on Brian Herbert.
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Jan 5, 2018 18:35
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Murray Mantoinette posted:I also recommend The Dragon In The Sea, probably my favorite Herbert work aside from Dune. Your av is great.  He wrote really good creepy/horror science fiction, too. Hellstrom's Hive is probably my favorite non-Dune book of his, had some great moments and a sense of mounting dread (tempered with dark humor).
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Jan 7, 2018 04:54
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Books 1-4 are great, though 4 is seperate. Read 5 & 6 at your whim. Read no farther, for it is bad. Like, bad.
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Jan 7, 2018 10:03
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That was Ray Bradbury.
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Jan 8, 2018 19:19
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Testikles posted:Might be possible that it is a little of both: they can fold space only so far and need to make small successive jumps. Might explain the prescience so they don't jump into a star or debris sitting on the other side. That's what I usually imagined. They travel at translight speeds, but there's still a vector. I think maybe "fold-space" was not literal in the Dune universe, as it would be if we were talking about astrophysics. Maybe it was his short service in the navy in WW2 or maybe he just liked boats, but it was also cool how the Guild ships were purely off-planet. Built in whatever shapes their architects desired, the downside was that they had to be built in space and couldn't enter a planet's atmosphere without breaking apart from their massive weight. Solution? Frigates and "lighters" just like the kind the old explorers would use to land on beaches while their ships were anchored in the distance. A nice little colonial motif, one of those details that made Herbert's stuff stand out among his contemporaries.
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Jan 11, 2018 04:48
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basic hitler posted:Herbert was no prophet and he had problematic views, but he was unquestionably an excellent author. He was the kind of writer who put his views into his work, but I'm curious what about him is so "problematic"?
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Jan 13, 2018 02:06
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basic hitler posted:He was an awful, bad father to his gay son and while i can't correlate that since he was no saint to Brian either, his views on homosexuality are there to be found in his books, as his views of women. Ah. I had read people saying this before but I don't know much about how he treated his sons, or their lives really, except that his gay son was a rights advocate of some importance. Personally, I really don't get that from his books. There's even a part where Idaho sees two women kissing and it pisses him off, while Leto is amused at his close-mindedness. As far as women go, once again, I've heard of people who had some kind of objection but I just figure that men don't write convincing women at all - women don't often write convincing men, either. Just because he wrote about how war causes vitality in people doesn't mean he liked war, after all. Just my two cents.
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Jan 13, 2018 02:28
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A_Bug_That_Thinks posted:"I've learned about you" Moneo said to Duncan, as he let his tongue wag from his mouth, making slurrping noises at it wet his lips, "several times".  Improbable Lobster posted:Unfortunately Herbert's books tend to use gay men exclusively as villains. Isn't Baron Harkonen a gay pedophile?
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Jan 13, 2018 03:04
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That's a good point. I don't remember that "soldier" quote but it kind of sounds like something he'd write. He was pretty antiwar when I read/listened to interviews or sound bites. The thing about not writing women well is an overarching theory of mine, but he seemed to have enough respect for them to at least try to write them well. Odrade was a really strange character, kind of a chosen one herself without many flaws. She was their bad bitch but she was also affectionate and good to a degree that other Bene Gesserit weren't. Maybe she died at the end because he couldn't decide to do with such a formidable character. Taken singly, she's pretty much the most powerful character in the books except for Leto, who wasn't fully human.
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Jan 13, 2018 07:14
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As far as luminaries of fiction go, I think Herbert's faults were pretty quaint compared to his contemporaries/people a generation earlier. He didn't really go past his pulpit (his own books) and whatever he was like in private, he wasn't out to start an empire either. It's not like he was one of those WASP archons like Walt Disney. 
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Jan 15, 2018 20:12
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:because leto wanted a son? what difference does it make? because a son would've allowed him to make a bid for power? so spare me the moral posturing you "oh so noble" nimrods in house atreides. they had slaves too; they just treated them "nice" which makes them actually worse. Harkonnen account spotted.
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Jan 16, 2018 05:39
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Every now and then I reload Emperor: Battle for Dune. It's Westwood Lynchian and the Atreides are OP but goddamn that game has some fine moments. Get a Fedaykin on wormback and start eating people's spice harvesters. 
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Jan 17, 2018 18:57
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:to be fair from what I've heard the recent Bond movies have been gigantic shitshows behind the scenes, to the point where Daniel Craig is ready to quit the series It's not just behind the scenes. Skyfall was boring and Spectre was plain stupid. I guess you mean there was a lot of contention, makes sense. I don't know why a seasoned director would want to step in on Bond, the re-launch was a disappointment and Dune will probably be a playground by comparison. Fresh, malleable and even though I see it possibly making a bunch of cash and drawing in some new fans, it'll be way easier to start up a Dune movie than to salvage where Bond is at right now.
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Jan 18, 2018 19:09
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A_Bug_That_Thinks posted:Nah, I'm just joshin you. A great callback to Messiah is the part in Heretics (I think) when the Tleilaxu council is meeting and Scytale is there. I was like "oh poo poo, of course he knows how to do it now too!"
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Jan 18, 2018 19:13
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Arrhythmia posted:Try looking into that place where you dare not look! You'll find Brian Herbert there, staring out at you! SILENCE!
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Jan 20, 2018 19:13
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The thing with Dune is that they all feel like different books. Heretics/Chapterhouse are so much later and they only feel at home because he constantly uses the lingo from earlier books. Prana bindu, spice trance, ghola, etc. Like, if you read them in reverse you'd go "wtf is this fruitcake talking about?" But I still like the later stuff because it's not as *epic* but still canonically sensible.T.S. Smelliot posted:Currently reading messiah and it was slow at first but it's picking up, a good read It's really good and it's a nice departure from the seemingly Arthurian story in the first book imo
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Apr 7, 2018 01:14
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Messiah delivers on the real point of Paul’s story, which is the whole “A hero is damaging, a messiah is catastrophic”. Reading the first book on its own is like stopping 2/3rds of the way through. Agreed
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Apr 8, 2018 01:50
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Really it always seemed like such a gently caress you to the fanbase that they let a guy who made a career of star wars novellas write the extended universe. Kevin Anderson has no shame. My friends and I were trashing him in sixth grade. That's how awful he is, he couldn't make a bunch of 11-12 year olds who basically loved anything scifi/fantasy enjoy scifi/fantasy. But hey, it seems like everyone's on the same page these days that the original works were good and that his son is a terrible hack with hack friends.
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Apr 15, 2018 23:40
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Chas McGill posted:He's also (anecdotally) a total dickhead. Zero talent, social lamprey, rich off other people's ideas...yeah, I can believe it.
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Apr 16, 2018 00:08
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I also want to say that although Lucas is a technical genius, ppl not understanding what a ripoff SW is forget that in the first screenplay, the Jedi get their powers, reflexes and limited prescience from ingesting a precious spice. e. ^^ no, literally the first scene in ANH was originally Vader trying to recapture a shipment of spice, not the plans for the Death Star. It wasn't a throwaway line, but a major plot device.
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Apr 16, 2018 16:22
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Valerian and Laureline were wonderful comics. It's a shame the recent reboots have been so poorly done. Ah well.
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Apr 16, 2018 16:27
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The Bloop posted:It was "fine" but neither of the principle pair was believable in their role imo. I'll admit I've never read the source material It's very good. I'd recommend looking it up.
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Apr 16, 2018 16:34
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I mean, THX was a good movie imo and that was "borrowing" from 1984 and other dystopian stuff. But Star Wars fans pretend that it was mostly an homage to Flash Gordon and other light fare which is deliberately kinda clouding the fact that it "borrowed" pretty heavily from Herbert. He and Lynch agreed on this when they were making the movie of Dune.
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Apr 16, 2018 17:07
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It's kind of a sad movie because it becomes clear that the project was a drat mess from the start and the director is a crazy man. Holy Mountain was pretty good, though.
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Apr 16, 2018 17:34
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I think my favorite part was right before that where he's criticizing the film industry going "Look, these fuckers just do everything for money!" *pulls out a bunch of paper and fans it out* "This meaningless poo poo!" Then he kind of looks at it absently for a few beats and slowly crams it back into his pocket.
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Apr 16, 2018 18:17
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Kull Wahad!
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Apr 19, 2018 17:23
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Perhaps the saying should be "don't lend out good books." Jk I've never read Stephen King in my life.
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Apr 19, 2018 19:46
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Leto's cart is like a splendid streamlined tank with fabulous bulges and curves for hidden sensors and other equipment he uses on a day to day basis. "Imperial rascal" is actually a p fitting term, since he's got everything on it for when he's on the go (except hopefully he doesn't have a miniature Atreides flag - that would look tacky). He also has lil wipers to buff out all the blood spatter from ghola assassins. It probably shines like a chromium tank fresh out of a car wash, which would also explain the angry worm god it conveys.
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Apr 20, 2018 16:59
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"Support are sietch." 
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Punk rear end Fremen kids chugging water and spilling it, complaining about how hot it is, using toilets instead of stillsuits (flushing twice sometimes!) as their grandparents look on amazed and disgusted.
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