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Many vent hoods on Ix. Better than the ones in Reform.

# ¿ Jun 3, 2018 08:35

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Choom, Obama planet.

# ¿ Jul 13, 2018 20:53

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phasmid posted:

Nobody seems to like this scene but I always thought Murbella was a hottie. If you can get away from the fact it was written by a sixty-something (who was plenty pervy in lots of other books before the Dune ressurection) I think it's done okay. Of all the things great writers can try, it seems like writing convincing sex scenes is simply the hardest to do. Maybe it's a cultural thing, maybe they don't get much practice, but I am glad that people try even though it usually seems out of place. I commend Herbert for just jumping into it like it isn't weird at all.

Some of the saddest girls I knew in high school got their notions of sex and love from lovely vampire books, so you gotta fight that somehow. Bring on the space pervs, I say.

I think the big problem is that if you are not explicitly trying to write lurid pornography, extended sex scenes are like if a movie stopped to give you real time pornovision of Iron Man banging Pepper Potts or whatever. Never mind its pornographic content, it'd just gently caress up the flow of the movie since there's this entire seven minute block (including foreplay) of RDJ's hog.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2018 23:32

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Mood is a thing for cattle and love play. Now guard your butt for true.

# ¿ Aug 21, 2018 04:35

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Communist Walrus posted:

Can someone post that excerpt from one of the Brian Herbert books (can't remember which one) where the good guy sneers at the bad guy for believing in climate change and tells him it was proven to be a hoax thousands of years prior?

You may be thinking of the part in Chapterhouse where two Bene Gesserit with Other Memory take a pause in their discussion to bitch at each other about LIBERALS.

# ¿ Aug 23, 2018 03:38

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It would actually be kind of neat if the prequels were like a thousand years prior and oh yeah in that period the Harkonnens were OK and the Atreides were dicks.

# ¿ Aug 24, 2018 20:58

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

The brains in jars that pilot huge robots around gently caress.

No that isn't a joke and its far more awkward than it sounds.

Like... cybersex? Or...

# ¿ Aug 25, 2018 02:01

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Did anybody ever read that Encyclopedia thing that apparently got published in the 80s? I heard that was good.

# ¿ Aug 28, 2018 12:00

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HairyManling posted:

I once had a very good friend. We had known each other for years and helped each other through some difficult times in each other�s lives. I went to his house once to hang out and saw on his bookcase the Dune novels including Brian�s. I got excited and was like �Holy poo poo, after all we�ve talked about and been through together you like Sci-Fi and the Dune novels in particular?!� And he said �Yeah, but I can�t really stand all that Muad�Dib stuff. His son�s books are so much better.� Our relationship was never the same.

It's difficult to be friends with a man after you've slain him and given his water to the deathstill.

I suppose in a way we are lucky that we were spared Dune films beyond Lynch's. God, I'm imagining Red Letter Media quotes about how no-ships are bullshit

# ¿ Sep 11, 2018 11:11

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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:

tleilaxu get played so hard so often its legit depressing

I dunno, the repeated owning of the ultimate misogynist culture is pretty funny to me.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2018 04:32

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phasmid posted:

Also, the wiki says that he is presumed to be Egyptian/Babylonian because he ruled for "three thousand of our years". That doesn't give us much to go on because we don't know how the human race at that point measures years. Certainly not Solar years.

I think there's a universal year, though I also think it's slightly shorter than the current system? It's not so far off that you can't recognize some key dates in that timeline in Encyclopedia.

# ¿ Sep 28, 2018 05:57

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phasmid posted:

We should all just start calling ourselves @duneauthor. It makes sense. We have just as good - if not better - a grasp of the source material than that cheating sperm that calls itself Brian Herbert. Let us denounce them and all their works and write our own canon. Based loosely on the Encyclopedia and the original stories (dune and non-dune) by Frank Herbert @realLETOIIPBUH.

The scattering, as foretold!

# ¿ Oct 10, 2018 23:56

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put the bi in bicycle posted:

I watched the movie on Netflix this week (twice actually, once sober & once drunk with friends) & currently my biggest hope is that the new movie also has dogs

Is this in the USA? Didn't show up for me. I blame Harkonnen agents

# ¿ Oct 22, 2018 11:40

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Mister Speaker posted:

Timothee Chalamet was on Colbert the other night and the interview closed on his being cast as Paul. Colbert asked "what is fear?" and Chalamet didn't answer; he was either too nervous or hasn't yet read the source material. Not a good sign, but I still think he'll be fine for the role.

hosed up that he didn't take his water for the tribe, IMO.

# ¿ Nov 26, 2018 09:17

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What really popped for me on a recent rewatch is how the entire film has a clear color spectrum that goes through oranges and greens, which is a combination you don't usually see, especially not nowadays when everything seems to be vaguely desaturated and blue.

This appears even on Kaitan and Giedi Prime so it's not just "yeah obviously Arrakis is a sand pit." It really made the film seem different, alien .

# ¿ Dec 2, 2018 23:36

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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Are nerds melting down about this despite it making perfect sense?

I'm pretty sure the people who make children's cartoons and funny books into a front for shock combat for Adolf Hitler's good name cannot wrap their drat head around Dune. It's kind of funny because it's probably closer to their actual worldview than a lot of the stuff they do valorize.

# ¿ Dec 10, 2018 13:09

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MarcusSA posted:

Paul did nothing wrong.

Now this Muad'dib guy, that's a different story.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2018 08:57

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Zopotantor posted:

It also made me like cinnamon way more than I did before reading it.

I started putting cinnamon in my coffee for the hell of it. Then I put in too much and now I have heartburn, which I assume is the first stage of my mutation into a navigator.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2018 08:12

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Hold the line. Paul's not always on time.

Liquid Dinosaur posted:

Is the turning into a reptilian thing really just from spice exposure? We see lots of people do a fuckload of spice, and the most that happens to them is they become a worm-person and that isn�t even because of the spice they did.

Like, wouldn�t there be talk of elder Fremen and Reverend Mothers looking kind of like ayy lmao aliens?

At the very least, Paolo would turn into a navigator after doing Lord Cybertrex�s super spice, right?

Yeah the Navigators like live in a big tank of spice gas, and there may be other stuff going on. The main thing with the spice is that it is good for you but then if you stop taking it you croak. So basically you have to eat wealth to merely survive, just like ((insert your favorite here))

# ¿ Dec 21, 2018 08:29

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basic hitler posted:

I did not realize this thread turned a year old this month lol

congrats everyone

Long live the posters

# ¿ Dec 24, 2018 13:50

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RoboChrist 9000 posted:

One thing I never quite understood is what the Bene Gesserit were actually trying to accomplish. Like, yes, I get that the Kwisatz Hederach was their ultimate goal, but why? To what end? If they wanted temporal power, that would be pretty easy for them to have considering all their powers and the fact they already were basically the de facto kingmakers given their influence over men and stuff like the Voice. If they wanted to, they could easily install a puppet on the throne. The only faction in the galaxy that could possibly check their power would be the Guild, that's basically it.

So, like, what was their goal then? They create the KH and then he does... what, exactly? The BG don't strike me as the fascist power-fetishists of 1984, so presumably power for them is still a means and not an ends in and of itself. So what is their ends that requires something as powerful as the KH?

I think the idea was that having the KH would let them crack open the male-genetic-line Other Memories and basically achieve the actual factual permanent philosopher-king, either because he would be physically immortal or because he would create a line of philosopher-kings-and-queens who could justly rule humanity. The Bene Gesserit could rule through puppets and so forth for a time, but the KH could make it last forever.

Leto II's whole thing was 'nah that's wrong but let me give you a taste of what you wanted, you'll hate it.'

# ¿ Dec 25, 2018 16:09

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phasmid posted:

I kinda figured at that point their breeders would be on to something else. After all, the Kwisatz Haderach was a particular solution to a distinct problem (or set of problems). It seemed like a one time thing, although it taught everyone a lot.

Miles Teg is like a Super Saiyan or something so I assume they were doing some general improvement.

# ¿ Dec 29, 2018 12:47

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D. Ebdrup posted:

I apologize if this has been brought up before in the thread (I'm speed-reading through a bit at a time), but has anyone thought about how Leto IIs Royal Rascal is controlled by his thoughts and it's more or less said explicitly that others see this as some sort of blasphemy against the proscriptions that came out of the Butlerian Jihad?
The Royal Rascal is created by Ixians who it is claimed by the book are under increased surveilance by Leto II as a result of a project of theirs, but I wonder if this means that the Ixians are working on thinking machines, or something else? Is this the future averted by the Golden Path tha Siona sees? Presumably it's got little to do with Marty and Daniel (as a kid, I loved that one if the final "villains"/unknowns in the book share a first name with me)

Also, speaking of Ix, probably one of my most favorite exchanges in the entire book happens when Bronso of Ix makes fun of basically everyone for not knowing that the Ixians are called that because they settled on the 9th planet of their solar system.

I figure that the Butlerian prohibitions are more cultural flinch-gross-out than having a literal list of "you can have microprocessors but they can't go over 3.9 gHz per core and only five cores max or else it becomes a Thinking Machine." The royal rascal probably just picks up on Leto's brainwave or has a joystick lodged in one of his ring segments (so to speak) but it comes off as a horrifying automatic instead of a good honest suspensor globe or windtrap, which are all fine.

The big thing Leto was trying to horsewhip the Ixians into making was the no-ship, I believe; Leto knew it was necessary, and that it was possible, but presumably he neither knew nor cared about all the fine details, so he just created the pressures on the Ixians that would lead them to eventually create what he needed. If he had foreseen Lord Cyber-T-Rex coming in about 200 years he probably would have just told the Ixians, "You need to make this now. I'll pay for it."

# ¿ Dec 31, 2018 01:00

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Danny Trejo for Thufir. Or somebody anyway.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2019 01:59

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SubponticatePoster posted:

AFAIR it's never explicitly mentioned, so probably the latter.

There's a mentat BG in Chapterhouse.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2019 10:22

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steinrokkan posted:

Asimov always felt like somebody who wanted to write academic polemics rather than fiction, and that's what makes his fiction both stiff and intriguing at the same time. And why filming his books would have been a travesty. But I was excited for an Asimov movie nonetheless.

Asimov started out as a research chemist and so he always kind of wrote like that, even if he obviously had many strong virtues that compensated for his deficiencies in other commonly-sought aspects of literature.

He also did a bunch of science writing although a lot of it is of course kind of outdated now.

# ¿ Jan 5, 2019 03:30

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Schadenboner posted:

I meant more in their own dueling culture. It�s like, personal missile weapons (handguns) became a thing because personal armor could be easily pierced by them. So it seems like in the hundreds/thousands of years the Fremen lived on Arrakis they would have re-evolved guns?

They did have "maula pistols," but I mean, what the gently caress are the Fremen going to shoot? The books seem to suggest that most of why a Fremen is so loving hard is because of the effects of living in such a difficult environment rather than their elite tactical operator skills and loadout from Sietch Milindcomplex.

# ¿ Jan 17, 2019 23:59

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phasmid posted:

No. There's already too much cross pollination with star wars. I'd rather he was an unknown if we were going that way.

Plus wasn't he in that cop worship movie? That's not a good look for the ultimate rebel.

Do swordmasters count as cops? Are mentats snitches? Is the mere act of prescience snitching?

# ¿ Feb 2, 2019 06:54

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Enkmar posted:

Listening to Paul of Dune while I drive around for work, it's really not bad. Kind of interesting hearing about what actually happens during the jihad as opposed to vague references

Just keep listening and don't fight it when the knife comes, your water will serve the tribe

# ¿ Feb 4, 2019 05:52

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basic hitler posted:

duncan idaho is the libertarian take on the ubermensch, he's a fuckin' white everyman type and a big manly man embodying frank's ideal of masculinityyy and he's suuuuuper white there's no other possible reading here

And like all libertarians he's used as a pet by a giant worm man that can read the future.

# ¿ Feb 4, 2019 13:29

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There's this entire granola conservative archetype you don't really find off the West Coast but it's absolutely a thing. It sounds like Herbert was one.

# ¿ Feb 5, 2019 02:18

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It is true that sometimes these words get slopped around imprecisely.

It is also true that Herbert had some ancient Reverend Mothers with Other Memory turn to the camera and do that mallard filmore "liberals liberals liberals liberals liberals!!" strip in Chapterhouse.

# ¿ Feb 6, 2019 08:08

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MikeJF posted:

It's not implied in the text, but that's kinda the fan theory: his Bene Gesserit wife had already worked witchy magic on him, so seeing her her tortured and begging him for help was able to snap the Suk conditioning.

You would think the BG would have something to say about that, but I guess the Harkonnens haven't been very much involved with the BGs.

Really, one wonders why anyone would be - like if there's a mystery it is that, how come so many people worked with the Bene Gesserit? I suppose we mostly see them at the climax of their shadowy maneuvers, though.

# ¿ Feb 12, 2019 07:10

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

I figure mentats are basically more like Mycroft Holmes; they're really good at carrying around lots of information and processing stuff when they put in the effort, but that doesn't make them superhumanly aware of everything (well, moreso than Dune mental superpowers already do) or always making the right decision, it just means they know lots of stuff. The whole thing is that they exist because computers are religiously prohibited but, much like with Navigators, a spacefaring society isn't possible without something to replace them.

Piter was also twisted to be able to kill or something, which is weird because it seems like Hawat could still kick rear end? But it seems clear that 'twisted' means something specific rather than just that Piter was a grade-a rear end in a top hat and a real piece of work.

# ¿ Feb 13, 2019 08:52

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SniperWoreConverse posted:

eh i feel like people put stuff like zen and other forms of buddhism into this pacifistic box where everyone's becoming a holy saint and this is probably kind of not correct. There's plenty of cases where holy monks kick rear end for various reasons, including beating potential followers until they attack back, and this counterattack becomes the usul, so to speak, of a new understanding that is being built in the mind of the novice.

well that and the current genocide but those guys aren't zen so i dunno if it counts

The Shaolin monks are renowned for beating mad rear end (and this disproves the soy boy bullshit too: do you think a Shaolin monk did not eat up on some tofu?) and

bob dobbs is dead posted:

Mysteriously, zen places had zero problems with any of the japanese atrocities of ww2 when the soldiers were commiting them

Or the German ones

this part too

Buddhism does have less intrinsic valorization of military matters than the Abrahamic religions but that is more "the canonical texts do not heavily feature accounts of the military campaigns of the chosen people, or hypotheticals about how the Lord is going to shoot the enemy with a holy beam cannon and kill, like, a billion people at once."

# ¿ Feb 18, 2019 10:28

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steinrokkan posted:

who quotes hitler

I don't think Paul quotes Hitler, he mentions him to Stilgar (who never heard of him) though. While bringing up how Paul's killed way more people :gritin:

# ¿ Feb 23, 2019 01:12

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MikeJF posted:

I remember when they were making a big deal about the wet-plant conservatory in Dune and going on about the number of people it could support and I was just like "but they had to go into an airlock to enter it, it's clearly set up as a closed-cycle, once that initial investment is paid off you lose nothing." They should've just closed-cycle the entire palace like a single stillsuit. They have spaceships, they're clearly used to making closed systems and sealing things, just land a spaceship and use it as your palace.

gently caress it, just dome the Arrakeen crater in the shield wall once you have enough investment payoff.

Hell when they were going on about the enormous extravagances of water in the Arrakeen palace in general I kept wondering about the costs of local water vs just bringing in a big tank on a heighliner like a Queensland town. Obviously normally that would be absurd but when they just kept going on about how rare water is it sounded like it might be worth it.

In the case of these plants I imagine it was more propaganda and symbolism than anything - "Look at this extremely expensive thing that could have paid for X Y Z" is not exactly an unfamiliar form in the modern day, even if here the wealth is measured in terms of water rather than cash.

They probably did import water and food from off planet. The Fremen got it too, they knew about Caladan's rice and had oranges. I guess they probably just grew and ate all their food in sietches. If something never left the sietch, you haven't so much lost the water as committed it.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2019 13:14

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kiimo posted:

When I first read Dune especially during the love scenes I am imagine that every freman who comes back from the desert at night takes off their stilsuit and steps into a pressure sealed water vapor blast shower that cleans them without wasting a drop. Other times I imagine their stilsuit was so effective in removing water that it also removed all impurities and kept people fresh and clean underneath. This is the only way I can not barf every time I think of what they smell like.

You must overcome your cultural prejudices, kiimo, or you will surely feed the still.

They did presumably have some way to clean off in the sietch of course. I got the impression a lot of Fremen did not leave the sietch very often and would have seemed a lot more like 'regular folks,' just in their little enclosed habitat.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2019 23:28

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Liquid Dinosaur posted:

And speaking of the glowing blue eyes, shouldn't most characters have them? Like, they mention the Guild guys hiding them with contact lenses, but what's even the point? Just about anyone who's "important" would be using spice, including all Guild members (Edric, too. And god I hope they insert a final stage Navigator into movie 1 just to see Villeneuve's take on them).

At the very least, everyone on Dune would have them, right? If there's so much latent Spice in the air that regular civilians are slightly latently psychic re: the Tarot cards, they should have glowing eyes too. It should be like World of Warcraft where you're a weirdo if you don't have some sort of magic glowy eyes.

The books never say it glows, I think, just that eventually it gets into your sclera too. I think that requires you to be megadosing, which means you're either Guild or Fremen.

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Looking up crap in the Dune Encyclopedia, Arrakis apparently had nearly no axial tilt but did have its orbit wobble around a lot, making its year duration unpredictable. Exciting!

# ¿ Feb 26, 2019 13:46

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